Marrying a Traditionalist Is As Same as Marrying a Polytheist
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God will not ask you how many cars you buy
God will not ask you how many houses you own
God will not ask you which race/religion/label/nation you belonghe will ask you what you ve done
were you a troublemaker or peacemaker
were you honest or dishonest
were you truthful or lier
were you beleiver of a system or rejector of the systemDo not assign piety to yourselves or to other people. You will never know who is really pious. This knowledge is only with God (5332)
292 Did the people think that they will be left to say "We believe" without being put to the test?
293 We had tested those before them, so that God would distinguish those who are truthful and so that He would know the liars.1693 Had God so willed, He could have made you all one single community. However, He lets go astray him that wills (to go astray) and guides him that wills (to be guided). And you will be called to account for all that you ever did.
ponder on these verses too..
believing in him mean believe in the system what he make for humanity.. the one who believes in system is indirectly believing in God too
the one who claim to be a believer but reject the system is indirectly rejecting God... example is so called suicide bomber who claim to be a muslim and blast the bodies out of innocent kids with the slogan
"allah hu akbar" do u think he directly go to heavens with 72 virgins hmmlook at this post for more insight
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609393.msg403421#msg403421 -
That verse is saying it's in our nature to believe and worship God alone. Then it says you can't use the excuse that you just followed what your parents did. Not everyone remembers this for some reason..
then why everybody have different gods and demi gods?
and why some of them dnt even have god like agnostic and athiest?and this verse is addressed to all humanity from adam to the last one.. its meanings is something like natural/default state of creation..
like birds follow the system
angels follow the system
everything follow the system willingly or unwillingly..we also once aware about the reality of our creator and our system when he offered us this choice what we accepted.. at that time , because we are ignorant /fools to accept that hard challange ..
now at present stage we did not remember it...
the verse is telling more , on the day of judgement everybody remember it as we know recording will displayed to us from the beginning of our times and the time of our species ..
sister take your time and understand the verses properly according to their context ..
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believing in him mean believe in the system what he make for humanity.. the one who believes in system is indirectly believing in God too
A Muslim acknowledges One God and appreciates Him. Some atheists might be peaceful but they say theres no god, so how can they be called Muslims?
4133 And who is better in speech than one who invites to God and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."1693 Had God so willed, He could have made you all one single community. However, He lets go astray him that wills (to go astray) and guides him that wills (to be guided). And you will be called to account for all that you ever did.
Ye, idol worshipers/rejecters will be held accountable for all they ever did but their "good deeds" won't count
572 ....Whoever sets up partners with God, then God will restrict Paradise from him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.
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red This is to deep for me, can you explain what you mean.
I don't remember why I wrote that.
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A Muslim acknowledges One God and appreciates Him. Some atheists might be peaceful but they say theres no god, so how can they be called Muslims?
handshake you give the answer of ur own question
muslim= ?
peaceful=?pharoah the athiest was peaceful ?
u need to understand the defination of athiest , he is the one who kows the truth but he rejects it after knowing it..
a random poor athiest if he dnt know the truth and he is ready to accept the truth , catagorically he is just one in lot of confused people who are seeking God.. (he beleives universe is God) but when he ll advance more he can understand the universe itself a creation ..
some people beleive sun is God, some beleive jesus is God, some beleive ali is God , some beleive RAM is God..
when abraham reject the system people called him athiest , but his mind was not built in the way other people around him ,and ultimately he seek help from one real creator (God)..
read my previous posts ur understanding of athiest is different from mine..
same like understanding of God/nature is different from nation to nation and mind to mindNOTE i know stories of lot of athiests who once in their life face a situation that turn their whole life
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gr54pYc3Ak
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifllgTA2pmY&t=659s -
What an anticlimax! rotfl ;D
climax of outcomes
either one can do thanx for what he have or do patience for what he dnt have. lol
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Sectarians are polytheists and hypocrites, i.e. they have set up partners with God. They don't fall under the category "believers", not even "submittters".
Very judgemental and not true at all.
make your relation based on emotions/feelings not on religion ..
Base such a life time experience on something as versatile as feelings ? Not the best advice !
I'd say it should be a sound judgement of the other person and his ability to be a good father/mother of your child and a good companion to yourself. A mercy from God to seal that loneliness of ours, and a trial.Do not assign piety to yourselves or to other people. You will never know who is really pious. This knowledge is only with God (5332)
292 Did the people think that they will be left to say "We believe" without being put to the test?
293 We had tested those before them, so that God would distinguish those who are truthful and so that He would know the liars.Amen, A Submitter could use these verses and stop calling out people he doesn't know as hypocrites and polytheist.
As far as I'm concerned, most of us are relatively drunk, we've all drank from this life and so most of our views are distorted and life oriented, rather than God oriented. Very unfortunate. our true reality and the true reality of God isn't something as easily acquired and known from reading on papers or anything. that I can tell you. Very unfortunate that we are all drunk.
May God turn us sober -
Brother Cerberus,when I read your posts nowadays I smile and think that you have either been to "that mountain" to meditate or you are ready to leave all prepared "to become sober"!!!
And no,I am not " drunk" when I say this.
In short,I agree with the advice to "sober up" and wake up .PS I am heading to North Africa in few weeks on a holiday, may be I will find you somewhere in the Atlas mountains?
GOD bless you.
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handshake you give the answer of ur own question
muslim= ?
peaceful=?pharoah the athiest was peaceful ?
u need to understand the defination of athiest , he is the one who kows the truth but he rejects it after knowing it..
a random poor athiest if he dnt know the truth and he is ready to accept the truth , catagorically he is just one in lot of confused people who are seeking God.. (he beleives universe is God) but when he ll advance more he can understand the universe itself a creation ..
some people beleive sun is God, some beleive jesus is God, some beleive ali is God , some beleive RAM is God..
when abraham reject the system people called him athiest , but his mind was not built in the way other people around him ,and ultimately he seek help from one real creator (God)..
read my previous posts ur understanding of athiest is different from mine..
same like understanding of God/nature is different from nation to nation and mind to mindNOTE i know stories of lot of athiests who once in their life face a situation that turn their whole life
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gr54pYc3Ak
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifllgTA2pmY&t=659sThe definition of atheism is lack of belief in the existence God
A muslim believes in the existence of the one and only true God. Atheists arent Muslim. Is all I'm trying to say. <br>
<br>And ya they can be peaceful but theyre not muslim because they dont acknowledge the creator.
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The definition of atheism is lack of belief in the existence God
A muslim believes in the existence of the one and only true God. Atheists arent Muslim. Is all I'm trying to say. <br>
<br>And ya they can be peaceful but theyre not muslim because they dont acknowledge the creator.
are these man made definations? or your wishful thinking
i know some of the muslims who beleive in one God but they blast the shit out of innocent kids with suicide bombs.. who are they?
i know some muslims who beleive in one God but a poor women become the victim of heir unhuman behaviour sometimes in gang rape? who are they...
i know some of the muslims who invade the properties of orphans , i myself a victim in that case ...
who is better poor athiest who trying to struggle in finding the truth or so called muslims of these catagories?
this time just give the answer what i ask in yes or no please then we will proceed talk..
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are these man made definations? or your wishful thinking
i know some of the muslims who beleive in one God but they blast the shit out of innocent kids with suicide bombs.. who are they?
i know some muslims who beleive in one God but a poor women become the victim of heir unhuman behaviour sometimes in gang rape? who are they...
i know some of the muslims who invade the properties of orphans , i myself a victim in that case ...
who is better poor athiest who trying to struggle in finding the truth or so called muslims of these catagories?
this time just give the answer what i ask in yes or no please then we will proceed talk..
The Quran doesn't tell us the definition of an atheist so ye it's man made. So what? It does tell us the definition of a Muslim. Those who acknowledge One God and do good. Are you saying someone can claim they don't believe in the existence of a creator and be called Muslim because they do good?
Pretty sure you're supposed to believe in the unseen?
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The Quran doesn't tell us the definition of an atheist so ye it's man made. So what? It does tell us the definition of a Muslim. Those who acknowledge One God and do good. Are you saying someone can claim they don't believe in the existence of a creator and be called Muslim because they do good?
Pretty sure you're supposed to believe in the unseen?
haha , if you dnt mind read my posts again or atleast this last post... or just bold part and again try to give the answer what i ask..
red , o
me ,how?
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By actually acknowledging there's a creator and appreciating Him. It's not only about doing good.
blue i still did not get it , if u explain it please? sorry i never claim i m athiest ?
red its always about doing Good and bad .. handshake -
What don't you get about it? Did I say you claim you're atheist?
ok lets come to the red part directly , edit (post 30)
what is unseen for you? thats what i ask .. and most importantly i did not understand how its relevant to all this ..
i think translating al gayab as unseen is an interpretation used by most of the scholars but some interpret in different ways like ,
the one from"Asad" translations its sounds logical
which is beyond the reach of human perception
or one from george sale
mysteries of faith
and one more i want to share with you most interesting interpretation in which i possibly did not locate the interpretation of al gayab confused its in shabbir ahmeds , let me post full here...
Those who wish to journey through life in blissful honor and security, are the ones who believe in the Law of Cause and Effect, though the stages of action and its reaction might be hidden from their senses. 23
but as a personal recommendation "asad" one interpretation for this specific word is better one ..
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ok lets come to the red part directly , edit (post 30)
what is unseen for you? thats what i ask .. and most importantly i did not understand how its relevant to all this ..
i think translating al gayab as unseen is an interpretation used by most of the scholars but some interpret in different ways like ,
the one from"Asad" translations its sounds logical
which is beyond the reach of human perception
or one from george sale
mysteries of faith
and one more i want to share with you most interesting interpretation in which i possibly did not locate the interpretation of al gayab confused its in shabbir ahmeds , let me post full here...
Those who wish to journey through life in blissful honor and security, are the ones who believe in the Law of Cause and Effect, though the stages of action and its reaction might be hidden from their senses. 23
but as a personal recommendation "asad" one interpretation for this specific word is better one ..
Idk why youre making it into something deep. I said creator many times so that's what I meant when I said unseen
Anyway just forget this convo
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Idk why youre making it into something deep. I said creator many times so that's what I meant when I said unseen
Anyway just forget this convo
no my sister i did not making it deep..
i ll clarify to you , actually i understand what u ask ? but i did not understand why you ask ? so i ask may b you are thinking me an athiest thats y you ask that in reply 30..
about this al gayab topic its quite interesting specially when u cross check this word in 5335 and 7226
its another matter if you dnt wish to discuss more
have a bless day
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no my sister i did not making it deep..
i ll clarify to you , actually i understand what u ask ? but i did not understand why you ask ? so i ask may b you are thinking me an athiest thats y you ask that in reply 30..
about this al gayab topic its quite interesting specially when u cross check this word in 5335 and 7226
its another matter if you dnt wish to discuss more
have a bless day
God bless you handshakeI didn't ask you if you believe in the unseen. Since we were talking about what it means to be a Muslim, I said don't you have to believe in the existence of God to be considered a Muslim. Atheists don't believe that so not sure how they can be Muslim
But yeah, have a good day handshake