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The Salat of The Believers, Unbelievers, and Hypocrites

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    The Salat of The Believers, Unbelievers, and Hypocrites

    2441 Each knows its salat
    2173 people know their salat through previous leaders
    1959 after long generations salat corrupters emerged

    Salat as an established system

    By the believers
    232 Khashi?oon they do their salat humbly
    239 Hafezoon they are maintaining it structurally
    7023 Da?emoon they are perpetually maintaining it?s schedules e.g Isa Ibn Maryam is an example 1931

    Some of the corrupted steps of salat

    By the Hypocrites
    7043 they don?t do the salat at all
    4142 & 1075-6 they do it lazily with little remembrance to show the people

    By the Unbelievers
    835 Muka?an wa Tasdiyatan they do it deceptively and avert the people from doing the salat correctly as originally instructed
    836 they spend their wealth to avert from the way of Allah
    591 intoxicants and gambling are means of averting people to observe the salat accordingly

    The followings are some of the updated steps of the salat, that were either restored or inserted, these are-

    56 wash the specified parts, not bath/shower, please note, or conditionally you may wipe some parts accordingly

    443 do not observe the salat unconsciously, you must know what you are saying

    17110 mode/tune of the voice

    2283-239 & 4101-103 conditional salat

    62911 You must abandon all contracts to attend the salat on the day of congregation

    Therefore Salat is an established ritual system that connects you with Allah every day and night at the specified times as per guidance originally received.

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      7043 they don?t do the salat at all

      2283-239 & 4101-103 conditional salat

      Corrections of the references in the quote above
      7443 not 7043

      2238-239 not 2283-239


      2014 Salat for the purpose of remembering Allah (that is to make prayer)

      Remembering method as taught by Allah

      2200-201 Allah taught us how to pray that we shall make our request to Him as we do to our parent or even greater, some say our lord give us from this world, while others include good in this world and good in the hereafter and to be free from the torment of hell.

      Zakariya as an example of Musalleen

      When Zakariya learnt a lesson from Maryam that Allah provides for whom He wishes without computation (337), It was then that he remember his Lord while standing and connecting with the Lord he prayed for a good progeny who will inherit from him and from the lineage of Dawud

      192-3 Introduction of the Salat of Zakariya as commanded in 2014)

      Zakaiya?s prayer and it?s answer from Allah

      338-39

      194-7

      2189-90

      The prayer style of Zakariya in 2190 khashi?een is as informed in 232

      2945 we are commanded to recite from the book to do the Salat

      Therefore we have to recite the prayers from the book and not in our own formulations. Mostly the prayers starts with the word ?Rabbi? My Lord or ?Rabbana? Our Lord

      All the ritual steps as per commanded in the book should be maintained

      Below are some the prayers from the book

      Adam and his wife
      723

      Nuh
      7128

      Ibrahim
      1440

      Musa and Harun
      2045

      Military Believers in the field of war
      2250

      The Messenger and Believers
      2285-286

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        Therefore Salat is an established ritual system that connects you with Allah every day and night at the specified times as per guidance originally received.

        Peace,

        Based on evidence and logic your above conclusion without reservations is not precise nor accurate. In this case you are not relying on 100% i.e. all the words with the S-L-W root.

        Salat with its derivatives in the Quran cannot be an established ritual system.
        Allah in the Quran did not present a detailed ritual system at all.

        • Ritual

        1. an established or prescribed procedure for a religious or other rite.
        2. a system or collection of religious or other rites.
        3. observance of set forms in public worship.

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        It cannot be an established or prescribed procedures because in 2441 even the birds and each of everything in heaven and earth has its salat. It is not correct to claim that rocks, trees, and all other non-human things has to follow any established procedures.

        There are various terms with SLW that do not fit in with ' established rituals'. Example, 3343 stated 'salat' in reference to God and 3356 relate to God and his angels. Surely this do not fit your definition of 'salat'.
        "Salat is an established ritual system that connects you with Allah every day and night at the specified times as per guidance originally received."

        However I believe my proposal "Salat 99% = Commitment"
        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609411.0
        do reflect the intended meaning of 'salat' in the Quran.

        If you review every term with the root SLW in the Quran they basically relate to 'commitment' of a contract between two parties.
        Prove to me where I am wrong on this assertion.

        Then we have the various expressions and forms of the commitment.
        Most the words of 'al-salat' in the Quran do imply some sort of 'process of devotion' to Allah but they do not necessary mean established rituals, rites, prayers, etc. in fixed patterns nor at fixed times.

        This 'process of devotion' need to be regular, consistent, certain period of time, and is part of a set of various deeds of righteousness with the objective for a Muslim to be successful .

        • 1784. Say Each one doth according to his Rule of Conduct , and thy Lord is best aware of him whose way is right .

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        Thus there is no obligation for each Muslim to follow some rigid ritual prayers in fixed times of the day invented by some ulemas.

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          Based on evidence and logic your above conclusion without reservations is not precise nor accurate. In this case you are not relying on 100% i.e. all the words with the S-L-W root.

          However I believe my proposal "Salat 99% = Commitment"

          you wants my own up to 100% and you choose for yourself 99% what an injustice is that?

          It cannot be an established or prescribed procedures because in 2441 even the birds and each of everything in heaven and earth has its salat. It is not correct to claim that rocks, trees, and all other non-human things has to follow any established procedures.

          There are various terms with SLW that do not fit in with ' established rituals'. Example, 3343 stated 'salat' in reference to God and 3356 relate to God and his angels. Surely this do not fit your definition of 'salat'.
          "Salat is an established ritual system that connects you with Allah every day and night at the specified times as per guidance originally received."

          When Zakariya was standing doing salat did you see W(&#1608 in the word yusalliy (&#1610? that was referring to his action in 339 this proved you have mixed up the derivatives from the root SL and SLW

          Why are you disputing with the available information in the verse or is it not clear to you that Zakariya was praying for good progeny and GOD answered him while he was standing praying (?usalliy? &#1610?

          It cannot be an established or prescribed procedures because in 2441 even the birds and each of everything in heaven and earth has its salat. It is not correct to claim that rocks, trees, and all other non-human things has to follow any established procedures.

          Verse 2441 informed us that each knows it Salat and glorification meaning that the salat and glorification of each differs and in 1744 we are informed that we do not understand their glorification to GOD, but our glorification (tasbih) it?s time and method are in the book

          Times of sabbihi
          341 (ashiyyi wal ibkar).
          1598 Do the sabbih and participate in the sujud
          1911(bukratan wa ashiyya)
          20130 before sun rising & it?s setting; in the hours of night and sides/sections of the day
          3342 morning & evening
          4055 night & morning
          5039 before rising & setting of the sun
          5040 in the night and after sujud
          5248 when rising up
          5249 in the night & after stars
          737 in the day time
          7626 in the night

          Methods of sabbihi

          1010 da'awahum fiha subhanakallahumma
          2187 la'ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntu minazzalina

          Most the words of 'al-salat' in the Quran do imply some sort of 'process of devotion' to Allah but they do not necessary mean established rituals, rites, prayers, etc. in fixed patterns nor at fixed times.

          If fajr is not a fixed time as define in 2187 as the intersection of the white into black simply representing day and night respectively then what is your understanding of fajr as per above in reference to Salat al-fajr mention in 2458?

          Don?t be among those who wants to impose a unique meaning to all words from the same root while they are carrying multiple meanings from the root. Refer to 37 on ?mutashabihat?

          I believe there are words with multiple meaning in the book

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            you wants my own up to 100% and you choose for yourself 99% what an injustice is that?

            Peace,

            Not sure what you meant by the above.

            What I meant is, in very refine issues such as the one we are discussing, one need to infer from 100% of all evidence available.
            In this case you are not referring to all the verses but only a majority of them and ignoring some.

            In my case I have taken into account and studied 100%, i.e. all the verses and concluded that 99% can be classified as related to the common denominator 'commitment'. Can you prove me wrong on this point?

            When Zakariya was standing doing salat did you see W(&#1608 in the word yusalliy (&#1610? that was referring to his action in 339 this proved you have mixed up the derivatives from the root SL and SLW

            Why are you disputing with the available information in the verse or is it not clear to you that Zakariya was praying for good progeny and GOD answered him while he was standing praying (?usalliy? &#1610?
            I admit I am not an expert on Arabic grammar rules.

            However if you are relying heavily on two letters root, S-L only then you are reinforcing my argument.
            The bilateral root S-L is more general and represent 'connection' as argued by Aidid Safar and Asif Khan. Khan claimed the Arabic word 'login' has the root S-L so are many words relating to telecommunication.
            The root S-L-W adds 'commitment' to that 'connection' .
            In this case of 339 the S-L imply Zakariya could be doing more of a du'a in combination of the basic commitment .
            In any case there is no indication of Zakariya doing any fixed patterns of actions. He could have been standing there, look up the sky and 'plea' to God or whatever.

            Verse 2441 informed us that each knows it Salat and glorification meaning that the salat and glorification of each differs and in 1744 we are informed that we do not understand their glorification to GOD, but our glorification (tasbih) it?s time and method are in the book
            It is your own words "differs" and 'we are informed that we do not understand their glorification to GOD.'
            The main message of 2441 is each thing created by God carry out 'Salat' and 'Tasbih' and there no detail is provided on how it is done.
            Point here is there is the principle of Substance and Forms, thus all have the same substance in salat but different in forms.

            If fajr is not a fixed time as define in 2187 as the intersection of the white into black simply representing day and night respectively then what is your understanding of fajr as per above in reference to Salat al-fajr mention in 2458?
            2458 is contentious as to whether the times referred to therein is meant for 'salat' i.e. expression of commitment to Allah as per covenant. Thus there is no 100% certainty on this matter.
            Nevertheless it is often recommended for believers to exercise their expression of commitment in the morning, not necessary exactly at the breaking of dawn.

            Don?t be among those who wants to impose a unique meaning to all words from the same root while they are carrying multiple meanings from the root. Refer to 37 on ?mutashabihat?

            I believe there are words with multiple meaning in the book

            I did not insist a unique meaning to all words with same root. What is unique to a specific root is the common denominator with different forms. Same substance but different forms .
            https//plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/

            In the case of SLW, in 2240 SLW refer to a location and the rest relate to 'commitment' to a contract, pact, covenant, treaty, and the likes.

            There are many Arabic root with contrasting meanings, e.g.
            K-F-R
            Kafir = unbelievers
            Kaffir = absolved
            kafur = camphor
            Kufran = rejected

            However each set of root has certain specific denominator, e.g. KUFR = cover, ungrateful and extended to unbelievers.

            In the case of S-L-W there are two sets, i.e.

            1. place = 2240
            2. commitment - as common denominator for all other S-L-W derivatives.

            The common denominator 'commitment' is expressed in various forms by the different derivatives.

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              bagyane, Peace,

              Btw, the above is my objective point of view.

              I am not insisting you don't do your way of prayers, worship, etc., the only condition is you cannot insist your way is based on Allah's authority in the Quran, i.e. because Allah says so!
              In addition you don't have any divine authority to condemn those who do not follow your ways of salat.

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