Marrying a Traditionalist Is As Same as Marrying a Polytheist
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are these man made definations? or your wishful thinking
i know some of the muslims who beleive in one God but they blast the shit out of innocent kids with suicide bombs.. who are they?
i know some muslims who beleive in one God but a poor women become the victim of heir unhuman behaviour sometimes in gang rape? who are they...
i know some of the muslims who invade the properties of orphans , i myself a victim in that case ...
who is better poor athiest who trying to struggle in finding the truth or so called muslims of these catagories?
this time just give the answer what i ask in yes or no please then we will proceed talk..
The Quran doesn't tell us the definition of an atheist so ye it's man made. So what? It does tell us the definition of a Muslim. Those who acknowledge One God and do good. Are you saying someone can claim they don't believe in the existence of a creator and be called Muslim because they do good?
Pretty sure you're supposed to believe in the unseen?
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The Quran doesn't tell us the definition of an atheist so ye it's man made. So what? It does tell us the definition of a Muslim. Those who acknowledge One God and do good. Are you saying someone can claim they don't believe in the existence of a creator and be called Muslim because they do good?
Pretty sure you're supposed to believe in the unseen?
haha , if you dnt mind read my posts again or atleast this last post... or just bold part and again try to give the answer what i ask..
red , o
me ,how?
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By actually acknowledging there's a creator and appreciating Him. It's not only about doing good.
blue i still did not get it , if u explain it please? sorry i never claim i m athiest ?
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What don't you get about it? Did I say you claim you're atheist?
ok lets come to the red part directly , edit (post 30)
what is unseen for you? thats what i ask .. and most importantly i did not understand how its relevant to all this ..
i think translating al gayab as unseen is an interpretation used by most of the scholars but some interpret in different ways like ,
the one from"Asad" translations its sounds logical
which is beyond the reach of human perception
or one from george sale
mysteries of faith
and one more i want to share with you most interesting interpretation in which i possibly did not locate the interpretation of al gayab confused its in shabbir ahmeds , let me post full here...
Those who wish to journey through life in blissful honor and security, are the ones who believe in the Law of Cause and Effect, though the stages of action and its reaction might be hidden from their senses. 23
but as a personal recommendation "asad" one interpretation for this specific word is better one ..
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ok lets come to the red part directly , edit (post 30)
what is unseen for you? thats what i ask .. and most importantly i did not understand how its relevant to all this ..
i think translating al gayab as unseen is an interpretation used by most of the scholars but some interpret in different ways like ,
the one from"Asad" translations its sounds logical
which is beyond the reach of human perception
or one from george sale
mysteries of faith
and one more i want to share with you most interesting interpretation in which i possibly did not locate the interpretation of al gayab confused its in shabbir ahmeds , let me post full here...
Those who wish to journey through life in blissful honor and security, are the ones who believe in the Law of Cause and Effect, though the stages of action and its reaction might be hidden from their senses. 23
but as a personal recommendation "asad" one interpretation for this specific word is better one ..
Idk why youre making it into something deep. I said creator many times so that's what I meant when I said unseen
Anyway just forget this convo
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Idk why youre making it into something deep. I said creator many times so that's what I meant when I said unseen
Anyway just forget this convo
no my sister i did not making it deep..
i ll clarify to you , actually i understand what u ask ? but i did not understand why you ask ? so i ask may b you are thinking me an athiest thats y you ask that in reply 30..
about this al gayab topic its quite interesting specially when u cross check this word in 5335 and 7226
its another matter if you dnt wish to discuss more
have a bless day
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no my sister i did not making it deep..
i ll clarify to you , actually i understand what u ask ? but i did not understand why you ask ? so i ask may b you are thinking me an athiest thats y you ask that in reply 30..
about this al gayab topic its quite interesting specially when u cross check this word in 5335 and 7226
its another matter if you dnt wish to discuss more
have a bless day
God bless you handshakeI didn't ask you if you believe in the unseen. Since we were talking about what it means to be a Muslim, I said don't you have to believe in the existence of God to be considered a Muslim. Atheists don't believe that so not sure how they can be Muslim
But yeah, have a good day handshake
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God tells us who the "believers" are
"Mu'mens (believers) are those who have faith in God and His messenger?" (4915)
"?and attain the status of having no doubt whatsoever?" (4915)
"?and Strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones." (4915)
"The true faithful are those whose hearts tremble when GOD is mentioned?" (82)
"?and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened?" (82)
"?and they trust in their Lord." (82)
"They uphold the Worship (Salat)?" (83)
"?and from our provisions to them, they give to charity." (83)
"Such are TRULY THE BELIEVERS. They attain high ranks at their Lord, as well as forgiveness and a generous provision." (84)
I don't see how atheists can be considered "believers" we can marry if they reject God's revelations.. aand proudly say there is no god
That means we Quran followers are the only Muslims on this planet.
Atheists aren't different from Sunnis. They are just honest about their view. All Sunnis say they believe in God, but it isn't possible without giving him a chance. All sects are made up of what is in the hadith and not Quran. This means they have faith in Bukhari and friends.We all know orthodox atheists follow the ideologies of the orthodox sunnis, but with just different labels. But what does God have in store for those who did not get a chance to know God because of their environment? We were in that same position once and yet we tried to live a proper life. It is nice that God helped us come to Quran, but what if it did not happen? What would be God's verdict for someone who didn't get a chance to look into his revelations, but led a life similar to what is in the Quran without being unaware about it? And then what about someone who does what the above verses say, but is cruel in the heart?You sound like you are new to Quran alone. Gradually, as you follow the Book you will learn why we have this kind of opinion.
Peace,
My thoughts mirror yours in this matter. It is one's actions by which one ought to be judged and not the specific labels they attach to themselves or the categories they insist on being placed in. I was having this conversation with my Mum as well some hours ago about how a person's actions define someone and not their label. I know many people and to me, they are Muslim. I would say all my friends are "Muslim" by my understanding because of the way they conduct themselves, although, they might not regard themselves as such. Alas, only Allah knows best what is in the hearts of His creation.
Again, my sentiments entirely. Allah knows best.
Peace.
Yeah, that's true. We can't know what is in a person's heart. Also majority of the people are pressured to follow what is in their environment. They are intentionally kept in the dark. It will not make sense for God to punish them for it especially if they maintained the planet.
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That means we Quran followers are the only Muslims on this planet.
Atheists aren't different from Sunnis. They are just honest about their view. All Sunnis say they believe in God, but it isn't possible without giving him a chance. All sects are made up of what is in the hadith and not Quran. This means they have faith in Bukhari and friends.We all know orthodox atheists follow the ideologies of the orthodox sunnis, but with just different labels. But what does God have in store for those who did not get a chance to know God because of their environment? We were in that same position once and yet we tried to live a proper life. It is nice that God helped us come to Quran, but what if it did not happen? What would be God's verdict for someone who didn't get a chance to look into his revelations, but led a life similar to what is in the Quran without being unaware about it? And then what about someone who does what the above verses say, but is cruel in the heart?Those verses tell us who the believers are not who muslims are
Haven't found an example in the Quran of someone who goes against their nature and denies the existence of God but is called a Muslim
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Those verses tell us who the believers are not who muslims are
Haven't found an example in the Quran of someone who goes against their nature and denies the existence of God but is called a Muslim
At least sunnis acknowledge there's a GodSatan acknowledges that too. But think about how Jesus was sent to Jews despite the fact that they never said God didn't exist. They actually went overboard with their religion to please him. That's what makes the general assumption challenging.
Technically, not all of what the atheists say can be considered against the Book.
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They question the concept of God living in the "heaven". I remember once atheist Sheikh Richard Dawkins (PBUH) saying that the universe is so complicated in structure that God has to be someone more complex than what the religions say about him. He is actually right. Quran usually preaches panatheism. God has tried to give us a simple description, but due to our limited knowledge on logic and physics, it is hard for us to understand it.
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They are made confused by the idea that God is all loving. They question if that is the case then why there is so much sorrow in this world. From Quran, we know that to gain God's love we have to love and maintain his creations. No priests will ever tell you that.
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Christian and Muslim priests these days are going all radical in their sermons. I was told that even now in some Sunday sermons, the christian ones have been instigating the people against Muslims, while emphasizing the importance of supporting Israel blindly. That will break anyone's trust. Interestingly, most ex muslims seem to leave Islam because of traumatic religious experiences.
But typically, their questions are the same ones which brought us to Quran alone. Most people are scared to think differently or just don't have the access to the info required to understand how the major religions were corrupted by priests. I am sure God can see that. He is fair.
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excellent points reel
ok i want to ask a question from you its kinds personal for me because i take advices from all people its my duty to put this on test .. u r the first one.. )
if a creation love God .. and using this word "LOVER of GOD"
is it mean by saying this he claimed to b the one who have sexually intercourse with God ?actaully what i want to ask can we use this word lover of God.. or its haram to use that word ?
i shocked i used this word once and somebody told me lover of God mean the one who sex with God (astagfar)
just ur opinion i need and forum member can give their opinions too...
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Satan acknowledges that too. But think about how Jesus was sent to Jews despite the fact that they never said God didn't exist. They actually went overboard with their religion to please him. That's what makes the general assumption challenging.
Technically, not all of what the atheists say can be considered against the Book.
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They question the concept of God living in the "heaven". I remember once atheist Sheikh Richard Dawkins (PBUH) saying that the universe is so complicated in structure that God has to be someone more complex than what the religions say about him. He is actually right. Quran usually preaches panatheism. God has tried to give us a simple description, but due to our limited knowledge on logic and physics, it is hard for us to understand it.
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They are made confused by the idea that God is all loving. They question if that is the case then why there is so much sorrow in this world. From Quran, we know that to gain God's love we have to love and maintain his creations. No priests will ever tell you that.
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Christian and Muslim priests these days are going all radical in their sermons. I was told that even now in some Sunday sermons, the christian ones have been instigating the people against Muslims, while emphasizing the importance of supporting Israel blindly. That will break anyone's trust. Interestingly, most ex muslims seem to leave Islam because of traumatic religious experiences.
But typically, their questions are the same ones which brought us to Quran alone. Most people are scared to think differently or just don't have the access to the info required to understand how the major religions were corrupted by priests. I am sure God can see that. He is fair.
Does it matter if some of what they say isn't against the book. They say they will only believe in God if they have evidence He exists, they will only believe in what they can see. They are full of themselves. Not Muslim.
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excellent points reel
ok i want to ask a question from you its kinds personal for me because i take advices from all people its my duty to put this on test .. u r the first one..
if a creation love God .. and using this word "LOVER of GOD"
is it mean by saying this he claimed to b the one who have sexually intercourse with God ?i shocked i used this word once and somebody told me lover of God mean the one who sex with God (astagfar)
just ur opinion i need and forum member can give their opinions too...
Oh no, two types of love have nothing to do with sex. One is divine love and the other one is platonic. Divine love is connected to loving and serving God and getting their results. But no culture has one definition for it. That's the reason why I had trouble understanding it in my 11th grade humanities class. The concept is much older than the Arabic Quran though.
Does it matter if some of what they say isn't against the book.
Of course it matters and you will always see the signs (both positive and negative) of this.
They say they will only believe in God if they have evidence He exists, they will only believe in what they can see. They are full of themselves. Not Muslim.
There are many different kinds of atheists though. One group is forced to pay attention to worldly matters like employment. They are so burdened that they can't get the time to reflect on God's existence. But they seem to be honest in their intentions towards others. They pretty much do what is in the Quran. Lets call them progressive atheists. The orthodox ones follow "hadiths" and they are usually the ones full of themselves.
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Oh no, two types of love have nothing to do with sex. One is divine love and the other one is platonic. Divine love is connected to loving and serving God and getting their results.
aww you are such a lovely creature of God sister reel ..
God bless you..
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Sister Reel,
I have always been fond of you and your judgement, but this time I think you ought to hear out sister Amra's words.
I think she did well by citing all the relevant verses in support of all her statements.
I support and endorse her statements and way of reasoning I find particularly keen and objective.
Most of us would like to excuse many of the people around us who we know in our hearts are not believers and have not submitted.
There is really no in between, sister Amra is accurate.
One thing that I also want to highlight is definitions according to Quran and according to our modern understanding.
Atheists A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
There are many kinds of ka fa ra.
Atheists are among the groups, including hypocrites.If you deny or reject anything concerning Allah's deen and Truth meaning His existence, The Day of Judgement, His Angels, His Messengers, His Books you are simply a kaf fa ra.
Just like there are different degrees or levels to a believer so for the ka fa ra
There are those who like the definition describes do not believe in the existence of God and less the Hereafter, His Angels, Messengers and Books and they follow assumptions and their own desires not REASON.
The Quran mentions those who think that they only live and die and time is the only thing responsible for their death 4523-24
Have you seen (he) who takes (as) his god his desire and Allah lets him go astray knowingly, and upon his hearing and his heart and puts over his vision a veil? Then who will guide him after Allah? Then will not you receive admonition?
And they say, "Not it (is) but our life (of) the world, we die and we live, and not destroys us except the time." And not for them of that any knowledge; not, they (do) but guess.Not being certain about the Hereafter is also an association (shirk) 1835-38, 42
And he entered his garden while he (was) unjust to himself. He said, "Not I think that will perish this ever.
And not I think the Hour will occur. And if I am bought back to my Lord, I will surely find better than this (as) a return."
Said to him his companion while he was talking to him, "Do you disbelieve in created you from dust then from a minute quantity of then fashioned you (into) a man?
But as for me, He (is) Allah, my Lord, and not I associate with my Lord anyone.
...And were surrounded his fruits, so he began twisting his hands over what he (had) spent on it, while it (had) collapsed on its trellises, and he said, "Oh! I wish I had not associated with my Lord anyone."
And not was for him a group (to) help him other than Allah, and not was (he) supported.Also I am always long winded and I do not want to reiterate what I have already stated in another thread.
I believe this particular disagreement we are having has been long settled in this thread
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607143.msg383327#msg383327