The 7 Heavens Discussion
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How could you even mix that up?
Mixing the falsehood with the truth is exactly what we are told not to do, that is the example of those among the People of the Book who sold the Scripture for a price littleWhat is a multiverse? Have you even grasped yet what the earth we live on is?
Now you are going to conjecture about the unseen, we are all ears go ahead.As long as you don't provide evidence from Quran for your assumptions you are conjecturing...
We are quite close to acquiring necessary data that provides evidence of the multiverse. The concept of seven heavens is possibly a mutiverse.
As the gravity in the beginning of the universe (earth - lowest heaven) is more powerful, our perception of objects is different. Scientists confirm that if earth was further away then we wouldn't be able to see the stars and other objects.
Thus, the Quran clearly states that the lowest heave was adorned with stars. So further from gravity ( to next 6 heavens ) less objects in the sky can be observed.
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We are quite close to acquiring necessary data that provides evidence of the multiverse.
Really?
Multiverse theory is like wormholes the playground of pot scientists.
There is not a single proof for a multiverse and there won't be any for it, because they are both fantasies.
Don't believe everything what you see on youtube even if it is Michio Kaku -
Really?
Multiverse theory is like wormholes the playground of pot scientists.
There is not a single proof for a multiverse and there won't be any for it, because they are both fantasies.
Don't believe everything what you see on youtube even if it is Michio KakuSo if what scientists work on is scam then what to believe? How to acquire knowledge? Falsafa is insufficient for it. Only to define morality and ethics.
Wormholes and multiverse is only identified throigh observation and experimentation. Observation and knowledge acquiring is instructed by the Quran.
There is evidence of the multiverse, and 7 heavens are quite close to it. Otherwise there is no point in saying that the nearest of heavens are adorned with stars.
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So if what scientists work on is scam then what to believe? How to acquire knowledge? Falsafa is insufficient for it. Only to define morality and ethics.
Wormholes and multiverse is only identified throigh observation and experimentation. Observation and knowledge acquiring is instructed by the Quran.
There is evidence of the multiverse, and 7 heavens are quite close to it. Otherwise there is no point in saying that the nearest of heavens are adorned with stars.
The universe means all the space (our perception of it) and what is in it which resulted from this on going "big bang". If there is something behind this created space and matter then it is for sure out of our reach, not only in measurement but also in perception. So not sure what kind of evidence you saw but trust me there is no evidence and there won't be any, because it's simply impossible.
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So if what scientists work on is scam then what to believe? How to acquire knowledge? Falsafa is insufficient for it. Only to define morality and ethics.
Wormholes and multiverse is only identified throigh observation and experimentation. Observation and knowledge acquiring is instructed by the Quran.
There is evidence of the multiverse, and 7 heavens are quite close to it. Otherwise there is no point in saying that the nearest of heavens are adorned with stars.
Bring forth this evidence then, if you fail then you are the liar
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Research
https//arxiv.org/abs/1704.03814The article
https//futurism.com/new-evidence-about-cold-spot-in-space-could-support-case-for-a-multiverse/Do you read the Quran the same way you've read this information?
The very evidence you present is evidence that you lied.
Let us delve a bit into the second link you provide.
It clearly states that the cold spot, which is the bulk of the evidence you claim, has to be explained by some fluctuations in the standard model. The introduction of the multiverse notion is one of the many exotic explanations available and it is pure speculation.
Do you even understand what it entails?
It speaks of a collision between two "bubble" universes!
Scientists have not even agreed on the shape of the universe. This is only one particular school of thought that adheres to the bubble-shape.
There is not even hard evidence to support such theory.
A collision between two bubble universes, that is how a cold spot was formed?
How do they come up with this?
In your mind, does it seem reasonable that an explanation for a region which temperature is colder should be explained by a collision between two infinitely large and expanding masses?
Wouldn't thermodynamics entail that a collision would rather generate heat?
Anyway, since it seems you might claim to be a believer, do moving and colliding universes correlate with the Quranic's description of the heavens?Furthermore, the first link you provide as evidence hits the nail in the coffin against your own very case
"Without detailed calculation we have shown that the
rarity of this void is not sufficient to motivate it as the cause
of the CMB Cold Spot because of the similarity with GAMA
G23. The comparability of under-densities at z 0.4 between
G23 and the Cold Spot again means that even if the
z = 0.42 void in the Cold Spot was not a systematic effect, it
is not unique enough to suggest an effect beyond standard
cosmology."Stop believing all these nonsense from mainstream media, science whatever.
If you follow the majority of the world they will lead you astray.It is obvious that the idea of floating-bubble-universes is not congruent with the model of the universe described in the Quran.
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Do not you see how did create Allah (the) seven heavens (in) layers,IN LAYERS
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The One Who created seven heavens one above another. Not you see in (the) creation (of) the Most Gracious any fault. So return the vision, can you see any flaw?ONE ABOVE ANOTHER
Can things that are built in layers, one above another move freely to collide in a fashion in which no orientation is given determining site of impact as lateral, ventral or at the apex?
Like scattering bubbles of air under water?Stop following man and sincerely follow God if you are a believer.
Think objectively and ponder MUCH before ever speaking a lie again
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Do you read the Quran the same way you've read this information?
The very evidence you present is evidence that you lied.
Let us delve a bit into the second link you provide.
It clearly states that the cold spot, which is the bulk of the evidence you claim, has to be explained by some fluctuations in the standard model. The introduction of the multiverse notion is one of the many exotic explanations available and it is pure speculation.
Do you even understand what it entails?
It speaks of a collision between two "bubble" universes!
Scientists have not even agreed on the shape of the universe. This is only one particular school of thought that adheres to the bubble-shape.
There is not even hard evidence to support such theory.
A collision between two bubble universes, that is how a cold spot was formed?
How do they come up with this?
In your mind, does it seem reasonable that an explanation for a region which temperature is colder should be explained by a collision between two infinitely large and expanding masses?
Wouldn't thermodynamics entail that a collision would rather generate heat?
Anyway, since it seems you might claim to be a believer, do moving and colliding universes correlate with the Quranic's description of the heavens?Furthermore, the first link you provide as evidence hits the nail in the coffin against your own very case
"Without detailed calculation we have shown that the
rarity of this void is not sufficient to motivate it as the cause
of the CMB Cold Spot because of the similarity with GAMA
G23. The comparability of under-densities at z 0.4 between
G23 and the Cold Spot again means that even if the
z = 0.42 void in the Cold Spot was not a systematic effect, it
is not unique enough to suggest an effect beyond standard
cosmology."Stop believing all these nonsense from mainstream media, science whatever.
If you follow the majority of the world they will lead you astray.It is obvious that the idea of floating-bubble-universes is not congruent with the model of the universe described in the Quran.
7115
Do not you see how did create Allah (the) seven heavens (in) layers,IN LAYERS
673
The One Who created seven heavens one above another. Not you see in (the) creation (of) the Most Gracious any fault. So return the vision, can you see any flaw?ONE ABOVE ANOTHER
Can things that are built in layers, one above another move freely to collide in a fashion in which no orientation is given determining site of impact as lateral, ventral or at the apex?
Like scattering bubbles of air under water?Stop following man and sincerely follow God if you are a believer.
Think objectively and ponder MUCH before ever speaking a lie again
The cold spot is the closest (for now) we can get in terms of evidence. There is more to it. Of course, it assumes bubble univers as multiverse. What I am saying, in conjunction with the Quran, is that the bubbles are actually "layers" each above one another.
Thus, these form 7 universes, while the lowest (our) is adorned with stars. The Quran implies that the objects differ from one heaven to another by giving example of stars. The overall picture we have is the multiverse.
In other words, 7 completely different universes.It may sound complex for us but for God this is child's play
Tell me, what do you think 7 heavens are?
So far, the 7 universes which are incomprehensible for us is the only logical answer, since God is even more complex. -
Research
https//arxiv.org/abs/1704.03814The article
https//futurism.com/new-evidence-about-cold-spot-in-space-could-support-case-for-a-multiverse/When there is something in this universe which we have no explanation for it does not mean it's from another universe.
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And He is the One Who ordained that they become seven heavens in Two Eras and assigned to each heaven its function. And We decorated the sky of the world/heaven of world with shining lamps, and made them secure. That is the Design of the Almighty, the Knower.
i think poster try to tell about this verse.. if i am not wrong.
interestingly author use the sky/heaven of dunya(world) instead of using sky/heaven of earth(ard)..
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The cold spot is the closest (for now) we can get in terms of evidence. There is more to it. Of course, it assumes bubble univers as multiverse.
What is this "more to it"? Because, so far it has been dismissed by logic, reason and cross examining Quran description of universe.
What I am saying, in conjunction with the Quran, is that the bubbles are actually "layers" each above one another.
So in Arabic layers above another are the same as bubbles?
Please STOP. You are embarrassing yourself. Think before you speak.
The scientists you are attempting to call to in your "appeal to authority" fallacy have a very different view of the universe in this multiverse model, than whatever might possibly be going through your mind. Their model and your model contradicts reason and Quranic descriptions entirely.Free-moving universes?
or layers built one above another STRONG
Is there any flaw in His design?
Collision between two heavens? That sounds like the logical option to you?Thus, these form 7 universes, while the lowest (our) is adorned with stars. The Quran implies that the objects differ from one heaven to another by giving example of stars. The overall picture we have is the multiverse.
In other words, 7 completely different universes.You are incredibly astonishing.
Where in any of the articles you provided, did it suppose that the other bubble universes had no galaxies and stars?
It is the very opposite, the collision would have been between extremities of the two bubble universes containing galaxies and stars and this would have obliterated said galaxies and stars forming the cold spot void of density from lack of again said galaxies and stars. Do I really have to explain to you to detail the conjecture you failed to properly comprehend??Meaning this is contradicting the notion of the layers being BUILT one above the other and the notion of only the lowest heaven being adorned with stars.
It may sound complex for us but for God this is child's play
Oh I am absolutely sure it sounds complex to you. You still have not understood the paper you cited and the data shown and arguments they present. The multiverse theory is a far stretched this is not my conclusion but the very paper you cited !
Tell me, what do you think 7 heavens are?
So far, the 7 universes which are incomprehensible for us is the only logical answer, since God is even more complex.You speak of logic yet you think that bubbles and layers are the same thing....
I dont think I want to further waste my time with a person who stubbornly refuses to accept the evident truth in front of him and who follows conjecture and speaks of the unseen with certainty on account of guessers who clarify they are guessing in the first place.Seek that God remove the veil from your eyes and ears and then we may discuss what I think
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What is this "more to it"? Because, so far it has been dismissed by logic, reason and cross examining Quran description of universe.
So in Arabic layers above another are the same as bubbles?
Please STOP. You are embarrassing yourself. Think before you speak.
The scientists you are attempting to call to in your "appeal to authority" fallacy have a very different view of the universe in this multiverse model, than whatever might possibly be going through your mind. Their model and your model contradicts reason and Quranic descriptions entirely.Free-moving universes?
or layers built one above another STRONG
Is there any flaw in His design?
Collision between two heavens? That sounds like the logical option to you?You are incredibly astonishing.
Where in any of the articles you provided, did it suppose that the other bubble universes had no galaxies and stars?
It is the very opposite, the collision would have been between extremities of the two bubble universes containing galaxies and stars and this would have obliterated said galaxies and stars forming the cold spot void of density from lack of again said galaxies and stars. Do I really have to explain to you to detail the conjecture you failed to properly comprehend??Meaning this is contradicting the notion of the layers being BUILT one above the other and the notion of only the lowest heaven being adorned with stars.
Oh I am absolutely sure it sounds complex to you. You still have not understood the paper you cited and the data shown and arguments they present. The multiverse theory is a far stretched this is not my conclusion but the very paper you cited !
You speak of logic yet you think that bubbles and layers are the same thing....
I dont think I want to further waste my time with a person who stubbornly refuses to accept the evident truth in front of him and who follows conjecture and speaks of the unseen with certainty on account of guessers who clarify they are guessing in the first place.Seek that God remove the veil from your eyes and ears and then we may discuss what I think
Well you are making a double fallacy.
Argument from incredulity - I don't believe multiverse exists, therefore it doesn't.
Straw man - you have completely misrepresented what I am saying.
Thus, you entire argument is a subjective sentence with zero logic )
I didn't say bubbles bare layers. I am saying that the scientists think they are bubbles but in actuality, as the Quran implies, it is layers of universe. One above other. Lowest is our univers adorned with stars. The e clearly makes the statement that the rest of the universes do not have stars. Perhaps other objects that may or may not go beyond our comprehension.
I don't expect uou understand it though. Judging from the picture you are a flat eartherer and you want to follow the Quran like the hadithers do. No questions, other versions are stupid or disbelief.
Please, do us a favor and leave the site. It is freeminds org not hadithermind.com
Peace