Clearly Hateful postings - why?

EdQ

I have always been very happy living my life as a Muslim on the fringe.

I had already had some fruitful discussions with some very humble Quran-only Muslims before stumbling upon Free Minds.

Now, I read numerous posts by posters here, who seem to have a clear aversion to the Quran or to Islam or to "Muslim" countries - one even said that all "Muslim" countries are in hell.

This kind of a posting would have been flagged by even non-Muslim posters as being hateful or wrong.

Anyway, I wonder, are the moderators ok with these posts that are against the Quran or Muslims or Islam?

Or is this an accepted strategy to drive more traffic through the portal.

For me this is very serious, because I would like to learn from interacting with those who are Quran-only Muslims.

My job here is not to try and find out if hateful posters are full of sectarian hatred and pretending to be Quran-only Muslims, or evangelicals or zionists are here because they want to do a bit of routine subversion.

It seems there seems to be alot of authentic curiosity but also alot of subversion going on.......

Salam
Ed

huruf

Well, there are, self-appointed stars of "intelectual" "refinement". One feels as if they were civilising the savagges.

I simply ignore them. I am alergic to people who are full of themselves. I would advice you to do the same. From time to time even blinds stumble on the right spot and an interesting subject may crop up. Things may be not as good as some time past or may one has got better, but still there is something to learn and to explore, even of oneself.

As to moderators I guess they are lucky that we are so civilised that we can handle our misgivings without them intervening.

Salaam

MissMarple77

Some seem even not to read the Quran as a whole, just taking single words out of it and force the translation they like best ignoring basic logic and common use of language on the verses. It is easy to avoid such threads. But what is not good here, on my opinion, is to call the hadith accepting muslims in general "sectarians", to criticize someone to use the "wrong" translation of Quran or doesn't reject any traditional interpretation in general. This could veil the fact that chances are high, that Quran-only can easily turn into a sect themselves (with interpretations that are taught like facts not as an interpretation.
I don't know so many Sunni Muslims very good, but the ones I know personally I would surely not call "sectarians". I can understand to a certain degree, that one is filled with bitterness because of personal experiences with people, but it would be basically the same problem in any other culture.
I read in older threads, that there were even users here, who wanted to marry only a Quranist. One user suggested, why not marry a moderate traditional Muslim, but was ignored. Hey, there is not one percent point more chance, that such a marriage will last than with one of any other background.
Some nowadays say that the muslim countries are the most miserable in the world, because of their religion. I don't understand. I always thought it's the african countries which have the most people with a miserable life (nothing to do with religion)?

unknownuser

I have seen multiple threads here questioning the authenticity and validity of the quran. I've seen threads here suggesting Muhammad wasn't real. I don't believe all, but I do read with curiosity.
These threads were enlightening to read.
And they exist only here. Do you know why?

Because it's FREE MINDS sun sun
NOT CLOSED MINDS.

I don't know about you but it's refreshing to see posts challenging everything we believe in. That's what makes us difference from blind mice.
No one's forcing you to agree with anything, but be open to hear everyone opinion.

So stop acting like I shared a p**n movie here rotfl and chill....

unknownuser

Does that mean quranists will remain unmarried virgins forever?

Oh...

So when isis blows themselves up they will get 72 of us....

rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

Jokejokejokejokejokejokejoke chill.

I really miss the old users. I've been up all night reading their posts. So enlightening. So good to abandon what makes us uneasy.

Peace.
sun sun sun

EdQ

Does that mean quranists will remain unmarried virgins forever?

Oh...

So when isis blows themselves up they will get 72 of us....

rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

Jokejokejokejokejokejokejoke chill.

I really miss the old users. I've been up all night reading their posts. So enlightening. So good to abandon what makes us uneasy.

Peace.
sun sun sun

Wow you must be upset. I hope you get over it. In any case I have reported your mockery to the mods.

unknownuser

Cmon chill..... confused confused

EdQ

Cmon chill..... confused confused

Perhaps you should listen to that advice when you mock the Quran - Just chill.... No?

unknownuser

I am not mocking it. I was sharing my opinion.

Would you say these people were all mocking it too

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11372.20

What about these?

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7844.0

Yes there are verses that don't feel merciful. Just ask the amazing huruf. I ask for help in them, and reach sound conclusions thanks to their help. I don't mock anything.

I tell you again,

It's "Free Minds" NOT "CLOSED Minds"

All I wondered on was if all the quran was divine, esp after reading the above 2 threads.
You got so enraged at someone else having a differing opinion than yours. OPINION.
cough angry smh

EdQ

Some seem even not to read the Quran as a whole, just taking single words out of it and force the translation they like best ignoring basic logic and common use of language on the verses. It is easy to avoid such threads. But what is not good here, on my opinion, is to call the hadith accepting muslims in general "sectarians", to criticize someone to use the "wrong" translation of Quran or doesn't reject any traditional interpretation in general. This could veil the fact that chances are high, that Quran-only can easily turn into a sect themselves (with interpretations that are taught like facts not as an interpretation.
I don't know so many Sunni Muslims very good, but the ones I know personally I would surely not call "sectarians". I can understand to a certain degree, that one is filled with bitterness because of personal experiences with people, but it would be basically the same problem in any other culture.
I read in older threads, that there were even users here, who wanted to marry only a Quranist. One user suggested, why not marry a moderate traditional Muslim, but was ignored. Hey, there is not one percent point more chance, that such a marriage will last than with one of any other background.
Some nowadays say that the muslim countries are the most miserable in the world, because of their religion. I don't understand. I always thought it's the african countries which have the most people with a miserable life (nothing to do with religion)?

Some Quranists do behave like Mullahs and Sectarians - however, to make stories of chinese whispers into a religion is wrong. Thats is why we have Quran-alone ideas here.

The Hadithists have a 101 websites they can discuss their stories on.

Only racists and drone controllers along with soldier boys say "Muslim" countries are bad - thats because they are generalizing.

Take France - full of Terrorism. What about the US with Trump - very miserable.... And I havent even got started yet.

EdQ

I am not mocking it. I was sharing my opinion.

Would you say these people were all mocking it too

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11372.20

What about these?

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7844.0

Yes there are verses that don't feel merciful. Just ask the amazing huruf. I ask for help in them, and reach sound conclusions thanks to their help. I don't mock anything.

I tell you again,

It's "Free Minds" NOT "CLOSED Minds"

All I wondered on was if all the quran was divine, esp after reading the above 2 threads.
You got so enraged at someone else having a differing opinion than yours. OPINION.
cough angry smh

Good bye and good luck with your new stories....

unknownuser

I am getting upset at your last statement though.

I live in a very poor muslim sharia country.

Acid attacks, gang rapes, child marriages, wife beating, honour killing, terrorism etc etc you name it.

Whenever I tell muslims, let's change this, I get the exact same response "it's worse in other countries!"

End of convo. No drive to end the suffering. Oh well...I just say this to the people

1311 Allah will not change a nation unless they change themselves.

People must stop denying the truth. Yes west is bad. Yes jews plan. Yes they're are conspiracies to ruin us. But... that doesn't mean we are zero at fault at well. Ofc muslim countries are bad, they should accept responsibility as well. Maybe then we can progress inshallah

Anyway quite apathetic.
I want to cry when I think of my muslim country.
But slowly...I feel like people are realising that they need to change themselves. Yes, I dream and hope for it.

muscle muscle

1311 Allah will not change a nation unless they change themselves.

unknownuser

Bye.

Too bad close minders dwell among free minders.

It never hurts to listen to what others say. I remember as a sunni when someone told me of quranism I was like WHAT? such a blasphemous thing. ...I had to take that arrogance layer off....open my eyes...open my MIND. And made it free. Only then I was guided. By listening and respecting what others had to say.

unknownuser

P.s

For iftaar none of you have water make sure!!!

Water has 3 jinn in it!

2 hydrojinn and 1 oxyjinn

rotfl rotfl rotfl

Jack

Anyway, I wonder, are the moderators ok with these posts that are against the Quran or Muslims or Islam?

Or is this an accepted strategy to drive more traffic through the portal.

hahahahaha 'strategy'. When in doubt, propagate a conspiracy, amirite? The mods have different stances on stuff, you'd be hard pressed to find three who agree on issues. Most of us are too busy to read everything. Also, we are very much against censorship. I agree that intellectual discourse is the best way but tbh i am really getting sick and tired of hearing all the violent acts in the world. What is my first reaction? pls dont be a Muslim, pls don't be a Muslim, and guess what? it's almost always someone who was a Muslim. So I do get it, in a way, but I don't think militant anti-Sunnism is the best course of action, either. I don't think we should try to alienate Sunnis, but from an ex-Sunni standpoint, i do understand how one would be frustrated at the world.

At any rate, if you think a post violates the rules, best course of action is to report the violation.

uq

Hi Ed,

I would say that uncivil behaviour and tyrannical beliefs are not at all unique to this forum, they are found in all walks of life.

Although the spirit of the Quran is such that it exhorts the values of patience and liberality, there are those who read the verses relating to said values but the message of those verses does not register in their minds.

As far as I can see, there are two main factors that contribute to uncivil behaviour and the expression of tyrannical beliefs

• Dogmatism. This is the natural product of ignorance; it is the absolute self-assurance in one's mind that there cannot be another version of the truth to that which one currently holds in one's mind. This absolute self-assurance can only come about, as far as I can see, from the poverty of knowledge.

• Egocentrism. This is an ongoing battle within all of our selves; it is not restricted only to the ignorant, but can also overcome the learned. With that said, uncivil behaviour and tyrannical beliefs are only made worse, in my opinion, when egocentrism is married to a mind impoverished of knowledge.

With all that being said, I strongly believe that there are two imperatives of responsible debate, which I have previously mentioned a few times on this forum

• Decorum. The adherence to universally accepted behavioural parameters among strangers (which is what we are) is a given. Notwithstanding this, each one of us has the freedom to insult each other, however, be advised that this will do nothing to strengthen your argument and will probably diminish your respectability in the eyes of others.

• Rationale. How can a truth be validated but for the presentation of proof in support of the proposition? And how can the reader arrive to said truth but for the exposition of the course in which one's logic does run? Again, notwithstanding this, you can express an opinion all day long, however, those whose minds operate on the basis of sound rationale will pay you no heed and, alas, your words are air.

If neither decorum nor rationale are acknowledged as imperative operators in the objective pursuit of truth, then two implications arise

• The first is that debate cannot continue if propositions are readily imposed as objective truths with no care for reason or for evidence.

• The second is that it will be incumbent upon the protagonist, in my view, to desist for his own sake; perchance he alienates those to whom he so eagerly appeals, on account of his unrefined language and his unseemly disposition.

As regards the moderation of posts, if the posts do not contravene the forum rules, then the author reserves the right to free expression. If the posts are in contravention, then, in theory, they should be moderated.

Forum Rules https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0

reel

I have always been very happy living my life as a Muslim on the fringe.

I had already had some fruitful discussions with some very humble Quran-only Muslims before stumbling upon Free Minds.

Now, I read numerous posts by posters here, who seem to have a clear aversion to the Quran or to Islam or to "Muslim" countries - one even said that all "Muslim" countries are in hell.

This kind of a posting would have been flagged by even non-Muslim posters as being hateful or wrong.

Because we stand for free speech?
This isn't a full on Islamic forum though. Everyone is welcomed here. So sometimes you will come across some of those who have problem with Quran.

How non-Muslims will treat these posts should not be our business. We aren't here to be clones of some other groups.

Anyway, I wonder, are the moderators ok with these posts that are against the Quran or Muslims or Islam?

Or is this an accepted strategy to drive more traffic through the portal.

For me this is very serious, because I would like to learn from interacting with those who are Quran-only Muslims.

But can you see the sign? The country of the forum owner has been thrashed many times by a few Quran haters. He remains quiet. No one is abruptly asking to ban the haters. One hater keeps coming here to tell us we are sectarians, we worship the Quran, etc and then preaching us the "good things" which he himself does not adhere to. Majority of the monotheists here just wanted a discussion over it. They didn't go around calling for a ban on him. By this time, he would have been banned and forgotten at other forums. Can you see the sign? )

My job here is not to try and find out if hateful posters are full of sectarian hatred and pretending to be Quran-only Muslims, or evangelicals or zionists are here because they want to do a bit of routine subversion.

It seems there seems to be alot of authentic curiosity but also alot of subversion going on.......

Salam
Ed

All countries coming in the news are always criticized here. It doesn't matter if it is the US, Israel, UK or Russia. Why leave out the Muslim nations?

In my view, this forum is unique.

Its strength lies in being open to a wide variety of views no matter how thorny they are.

It is refreshing to see people making long posts which is something not common at other forums. I mean just take a look at councils of ex muslims or sunni forum. They always have "one liners" wrapped in group think. A challenger there usually gets banned or limited (saw how they treated our bigmo).

We have to be open to criticism. I welcome yours. Just avoid threads you don't like or just debunk what is posted to separate oil from water.

EdQ

hahahahaha 'strategy'.

oooops - looks like a nerve has been touched. And where a nerve is touched...... one just needs to dig a little deeper to uncover the truth...

Before you mock the freedom of my speech (dare I say, ironically), please learn from other moderators that the hateful poster has been put on a watch list - as I was notified.

I have also seen someone block a poster who used the Quran to spread hate - by deriding the fact that an ant could communicate and then he continued to mocked as to who could believe in these stories.....

You should really try to get your facts straight before claiming that someone merely has a problem with the Quran when they have tried to use the Quran to claim that it states that muslim countries are in hell.

When a terror action is committed you have stated that you wish it is not a Muslim?

Wow - that's what I call conditioning. You are assuming that terrorist actions are isolated actions and that the people who have learning difficulties who commit hose atrocities believe in the Quran.
The reality is that the Western governments use those terrorists to keep Muslim countries in a state of permanent backwardness - how else do you explain the US funding Saudi Arabia?
So my take on it is - what a bunch of Godless and Crusading devils - the lot of them - the Hadithists like Saudi family and the US and its allies who call the Middle East - hell - and then murder people to plant Europeans on a piece of the Arabian peninsula.

I leave you to your own subjective understanding.

EdQ