Religous Pluralism
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Inrankhwaja,
Nushuz =\ fashiha.
Stop making your own definitions. You ignored again, what about when wife experiencing nushuz 4128.i think i made a very simple defination, its another matter if you dnt understand..
you said nushuz = disobeyment ... i agree
i said disobeyment include , fahish acts, zina , adultery , cheating.. (why dnt u agree) ?lets put it on test ,
can you find me any husband who allowed her wife to do these things ?
if she do these things what will be the response of husband?is he allowed to use a word "disobeying women" for this situation.. or he will think that becoz quran did not meant cheating as (disobeyment) ..
if a man is not gentle man he will gona put the flowers in the neck of women for such a beautiful work done by her.. there are different varites of people exist in this strange world..
some of them dnt really bother what their women doing behind their back..
some of them forcefully push their wives to do prositution
but we know these type of people are not gentlemans..when you manage to understand this , perhaps you change ur perception..
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Yes, I disagree with this meaning in Quran.
handshake
its your right to disagree
BTW send me the source where you drive this interpretation i love to read that
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Huruf already explained the difference between the two words.
By your logic
If disobey = adultery
Then
Obey = legal sex
SO next time you obey people you'll be intending something else ok that's your logic.
Go one make up your false words to support your silly stories elsewhere, this thread is CLOSED.
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Disobey is nushuz?
Prove it.
And whom should women, in plural obey. Not wives, there are no wives int he aya. And should not there be an order to disobey before you can disobey anything?
So does that mean that the husband in 4.128 disobeys his wife?
You cannot make words at will. Neither you nor any of the self-appointed interpreters of God through history. You need logic and consistency to put on the Qur'an's mouth any word and meaning you prefer.
Salaam
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By your logic
If disobey = adultery
Then
Obey = legal sex
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my logic huh?
the logic of every gentleman .. every gentle man thinks cheating = disobeyment ,
if you dnt beleive in that logic than you are living in different universe i think..
look my post again and try to attempt the answers of my questions ..
oy yeh obey = legal sex(wedlock) , and lot of other things same like disobeyment include lot of other things...
do me a favor make a list of things what you think are considered as disobeyments ?
you can also take a survey of proving quran wrong? by all thise husbands whose wives are cheating with them ?
ask them is it true that your wives are disobeying you while they cheat?if your answers comes in "no" from atleast 10 husbands out of millions then i will think you make a great achievement
and learn some manner too .. God advise us to talk politely and humbly or do you have problem with this command of God too ?
peace and chill out
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Disobey is nushuz?
Prove it.
baitachal said it , she need to prove it..
i said something else
i said cheating = disobeyment
or disobeyment = cheating along with lot of other things ...salam
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Disobeying is absolute nonsense.
Whohas given any oder to the women in order for them to be able to disobey.
And who are they supposed to oby to, apart from God?
Some imaginary husbands which are not brought into the question by God and where it does nto say anything abour married wome but about women in general?The narcisistic view some males have of themselves as the centre of the life of any woman in the planet shows itself well in the view of this aya, which does not involve husbands or wives but men and women in general in society.
If men or people in genral are mentionned, we always think of them as men and think they exist by themselves, when mention of women is made it is different, automatically they do not exist by themselves but as the peripphery of some male.
The aya does not warrant that. It is very clear in its formulation.
And nushuz shoudl be interpreted as something that fits equally int he two occurrences in the Qur'an and other occurrences as a verb or other function.
Salaam
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Ah that's an amazing quote huruf.
Truly, humans can find bad in everything.
One must be open to clarify and accept what is the most acceptable.
Yayayayayayayayayayayayay I love huruf
handshake handshake handshake pr pr pr
May I be as wise as well laugh
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Disobeying is absolute nonsense.
And nushuz shoudl be interpreted as something that fits equally int he two occurrences in the Qur'an and other occurrences as a verb or other function.
Salaam
w salam,
tell this to baitachal..
she claimed herself that nushuz=disobeyment
first of all tell her what does it mean ?
perhaps she will get agree with you becoz she think you are a wise women..
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Sorry I just said what corpus said.
I think you are all wise group group group
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Sorry I just said what corpus said.
I think you are all wise group group group
so its mean you are a blind follower who beleives whatever corpus said ..?
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If not there would I look at a cooking book ...?
rotfl rotfl
But yes I just learnt this. Before giving definitions one should look at the definition through quran usage, not external dictionaries.
Peaceeeeeee
muscle
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But yes I just learnt this. Before giving definitions one should look at the definition through quran usage, not external dictionaries.
Peaceeeeeee
muscle
exactly..
as per 17 36so what did you find now .. about that word ? any new thing so that we will carry on with that ..
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@ huruf
it would be helpful if you interpret both verses 434 & 4128 of quran according to your understandings whatever you have
in this way somebody like baitachal will learn something Good becoz i still feel her eye sight is weak becoz corpus use ill conduct for that specific word.. she seems much confused so in this way it will be a blessing of God if you interpret full verses
its a request
first she said nushuz= disobeyment
then she said i take it from corpus ..
whereas corpus use the word ill-conduct instead of disobeyment
(a clear contradiction which shows she did not study things properly before mocking the verses)now you bring your inerpretation for the full verse not just this word so that we test your method
peace and God bless you both
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ive seen "peacemaking" hence a verb be a better fit than peace.
That's because islam is noun of form 4, make the action of form I.
didnt br ayman write a book on this?
See http//www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html
Also, "the only system/deen that will be accepted is soundness of mind?" . -verse i cant remember.
Yes. The only deen close to Allah is the one based on soundeness of mind, not those based on spiritual confusion.
Strange, no ?
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You know, Quran is not a peace and love text. If you are looking for peace and love religions, please look at elsewhere.
But if you want to learn how to discern truth from lies then this text is for you. -
You know, Quran is not a peace and love text. If you are looking for peace and love religions, please look at elsewhere.
But if you want to learn how to discern truth from lies then this text is for you.Perhaps you are right. It will be hard forgetting the fear I've been indoctrinated with...it'll take some time to let go off. But if that is where God is guiding me that is where I shall go.
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Perhaps you are right. It will be hard forgetting the fear I've been indoctrinated with...it'll take some time to let go off. But if that is where God is guiding me that is where I shall go.
Oh come on....
Surely the "perhaps" is just a perceptual formality in the above post.