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Confusing video about arabic word for God (SWT)

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    The_Sardar
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    Dnt need to be worry much

    first of all there is nothing added as per the video claim look at this page in the end , its the oldest known manuscript of quran till date.. in which clearly the word "Allah is written" on the starting of chapter 20..

    next thing the person who made this video is poor in understanding the difference between proper noun and adjectives..

    the 99 names what he reffer are attributes given to God , so these names considered as "genitive masculine singular adjective"

    Allah is a proper name of diety who send the message to prophet muhammad through a trusted spirit

    https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Birmingham_Quran_manuscript.jpg

    if you look the bismillah see how Allah written exactly how we write today..

    Uh imrankhawaja i cant read arabic and unfortunately i may be blind (not literraly) because i cant see the bismallah. Can you highlight it?

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      Allah is a proper name

      Peace -- no that is senseless to say and he the "name" (e.g. Joe/John) in the heavens and in the land/earth.

      63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth....

      The video is stating the obvious.

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        Noon_waalqalami
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        because i cant see the bismallah. Can you highlight it?

        https//s29.postimg.org/vxt0zvaav/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v93-ch20v13.jpg

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          The_Sardar
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          https//s29.postimg.org/vxt0zvaav/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v93-ch20v13.jpg

          Thanks its just sucks i cant read arabic alphabet.

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            huruf
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            Just letting you know im not an arabphobe because that is racist plus i happen to have Arab ancestry. Im not saying i agree with this video just left me confused that is all. However i apologise to any my fellow humans of Arab descent.

            Don't worry, the Sardar, I understood perfectly that it was not you who was stating those things I found out of place. You seem to me to be a good mannered person. It was to the author of the video that I was pointing. As Noon put it, he is stating the obvious but he did take a detour to take shot at Arabs.

            Anyway, God, Allah, Dios, He knows who is thinking of Him and who remembers Him.The Spanish Jews and those who still keep the languge do not say Dios, they say el Dio, because the "s" being the mark of the plural, they felt more atuned without it. But God is in the hearts of those who remember Him, all words given to The One A-rahman ar-Rahim will be sweet and worth if they are sincerely felt, with article, without, and even those that people invent because never a word seems sufficiently sweet to them to address Him.

            The war of words is about the most ignoble war I can think of. Words are there for our awakening, for our pleasure, why make a problem of them?

            Salaam

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              imrankhawaja
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              Peace -- no that is senseless to say and he the "name" (e.g. Joe/John) in the heavens and in the land/earth.

              63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth....

              peace noon,

              first of all God is not a john,
              God is not a male or female
              God is not a thing that observed by naked eye

              so when grammer make God masculine it did not make him male
              when grammer take a name of God from common noun(man) to proper noun(john) it will not address the residential address of God ..to locate where "ALLAH" is..

              rules of grammer are for writting and classifying things ,genders and nature of language.
              you cannot apply all the rules of proper noun to a diety which is beyond the perception of human mind..

              RED so you tell what make sense to address "allah" as.. which noun? (obviously as per grammer rules)

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                first of all God is not a john,
                God is not a male or female...

                RED so you tell what make sense to address "allah" as.. which noun? (obviously as per grammer rules)

                peace imrankhawaja -- yes obviously nor Jennifer; so why you say "name" as missionaries and hearsay spreaders insinuate?

                already wrote what makes sense i.e. the god/deity not some senseless "name" like John/Jenny ...

                63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth....

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  peace imrankhawaja -- yes obviously nor Jennifer; so why you say "name" as missionaries and hearsay spreaders insinuate?

                  already wrote what makes sense i.e. the god/deity not some senseless "name" like John/Jenny ...

                  63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth....

                  peace noon,

                  actually start from the start....

                  in the name of Allah, ArRehman, ArRaheem

                  tell the sentence structure what is Allah , what is arrehman and what is arraheem?(as per grammer rules)
                  praise to Allah , the LORD of worlds ..

                  what is noun? a name of a person place or thing isnt it?

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                    Noon_waalqalami
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                    peace noon,

                    actually start from the start....

                    in the name of Allah, ArRehman, ArRaheem

                    tell the sentence structure what is Allah , what is arrehman and what is arraheem?(as per grammer rules)
                    praise to Allah , the LORD of worlds ..

                    what is noun? a name of a person place or thing isnt it?

                    peace -- don't get why you keep at this? translate consistently that makes sense?

                    11 in name the god the almighty the merciful
                    63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth...

                    11 ne emer zoti (Albanian)
                    63 dhe ai zoti ne qiejt dhe ne toka

                    11 u ime boga (Bosnian)
                    63 i on bog u nebesa i u zemlja

                    11 en nombre el dios (Spanish)
                    63 y el dios en los cielos y en la tierra

                    63 and he Allah/John/Jenny/Muhammad/Mary (name/noun) in the heavens and in the land -- is nonsensical any language.

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      peace brother ,

                      i think i m unable to make you understand what i am asking..

                      lets take it slowly..

                      first tell me what is "God" according to (grammer rules)
                      example the gender rule of grammer is masculine for God.. get it if we use feminine gender it would be grammatically incorrect.

                      come to the next part..

                      i share first two verses of scripture i want you to tell me all the grammer syntax of these two sentences
                      i.e nouns , adjectives, proper noun, common noun, concrete nouns, collective noun etc..

                      look thats all i asked in my last three posts after that we will proceed talk
                      and i dnt know albanian,spanish and bosnian..so it did not really helps (lets just talk about english grammer first)
                      God bless you

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                        Noon_waalqalami
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                        peace brother ,

                        i think i m unable to make you understand what i am asking..

                        peace what's the point of going into a pointless exercise perhaps message Mazhar et al.

                        what you need to do (since you brought it up) is explain how can be noun/name?

                        63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth...

                        end case no more comments!

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          peace what's the point of going into a pointless exercise perhaps message Mazhar et al.

                          what you need to do (since you brought it up) is explain how can be noun/name?

                          63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land/earth...

                          end case no more comments!

                          ok if brother mazhar will read this perhaps he also try to explain what catagory of noun Allah is and what catagory of noun arrehman and arraheem .. is.. obviously we cannot neglect the rules of grammer specially the non native people like me.. grammer is one of the key concept to properly understand the message..

                          as per my knowledge i brought this up coz the one who make the video he was telling us the other names of God whereas other names are attributes and "Allah" is not attribute.. thats what i was on about ,

                          the first two verses are enough for understanding look like this..

                          in the name of "Allah", Arrehman,Arraheem..
                          praise to "Allah" (i.e) lord of worlds

                          and moreover in 2255
                          Allah ,there is no diety except him

                          it appears to me as Allah is the name of the diety who we suppose to serve as per quranic lisan ..

                          anyway thanx for discussion handshake

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