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Quran on mountains???contradiction?

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    imrankhawaja
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    No, but it does move by few cm, thats what im trying to say!! The point is that they MOVE

    moving or growing?

    and what is the movement from north to south or south to north? and few cm in how many years?
    its better if you share the source this time any source ?

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      MaryK
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      Here u go https//www.livescience.com/9952-earth-moves-mountains-study-reveals.html
      Thank you very much for trying to help me!
      Maybe in Quran mountains being stabilesers doesnt mean that it stabilises the earth, but instead it means that it stabilises our life? Like as you said it helps as to walk on the ground without being blown away, what do u think?

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        Noon_waalqalami
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        peace, it does not say mountains don't move ...

        1615 and cast in the land firm peaks lest/that shake (i.e. the land) with you and rivers of and paths of that may you guided being

        2130 that ye not see the ones disregard they of that the heavens and the land be dual sewn of so ripped we them dual and made we of from the water each thing live so not believing
        2131 and made we of in the land firm peaks lest/that shake with them (i.e. the land with people mentioned above) and made we of therein ravine of paths of perhaps they guided being

        3110 creation of the heavens in other than/without columns thou seeing it and cast in the land firm peaks lest/that shake (i.e. the land) with you and dispersed therein from each creature and descends we of from the heaven water so grew we of therein from each spouse/pair/mate noble

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          MaryK
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          I just read this verse And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you... (Quran, 1615)

          Please give non-islamic sources which say that mountains do prevent earth from shaking. Also why there r earthquakes in places where mountains r?
          I will be greatful for your answers

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            huruf
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            No, that is nto what it says. It says
            And He put on the earth rawasy so that they oscilate with you and rivers...

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              MaryK
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              So the translation I showed is WRONG??? Is it the exact translation???
              Thank u for helping me to get rid of my doubts

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                huruf
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                That is right, you are welcome.

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                  MaryK
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                  Huruf, could u pls explain what is meant in Quran "so that it will oscilitate with u and the rivers"
                  What is exactly meant by mountains shaking???

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                    huruf
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                    Not and the rivers, it is just the continuation of the aya, that is why i wrote "..."

                    The earth moves slowly but contnually, due to the growing of the tectonic plates at the contact with other plate if they are expanding, some land folds, because it does not have where to goand upon foding some of it goes down while some goes up, gives rise to mountains. Also mountains are coincident for that reason with the seismic zones. The fact that mountains are anchored inside the earth (that is why they are called pegs int he Qur'an) makes them stable and not tumble, but while they move they are in balance. Naturally if you are on a mountain you oscillate with the mountain, for you it may not move, because you move with it.

                    You can see all this in any elementary geology book.

                    Salaam

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                      Noon_waalqalami
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                      So the translation I showed is WRONG??? Is it the exact translation???
                      Thank u for helping me to get rid of my doubts

                      Peace MaryK -- have a look at this article...

                      http//www.tectonics.caltech.edu/outreach/highlights/earthquakes_and_mountains_International_Innovation.pdf

                      The main objective is to better understand the physics of earthquakes how they nucleate, the factors determining how big they can grow and how frequently they occur. A secondary objective is to understand how mountain ranges develop, because earthquakes are one of the processes involved in mountain building.

                      Therefore based on what we know about mountains and earthquakes which is the correct/best reading?

                      2130 that they not see the ones kafar/disregard they of anna/that the heavens and the land be dual sewn of so ripped we them dual and made we of from the water each thing live then so not believing

                      2131 and made we of in the land rawsiya/firm peaks anna/inna/an/in (that/indeed/lest/not/if)? shake with them and made we of therein wide/ravine of paths of perhaps they guided being

                      https//s17.postimg.org/bvv0jqa1b/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch21v30-43.jpg

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        peace marry ..

                        actually its not only earthquake.. its lot of other things going on in the subject of geology..

                        like stated about the winds pressure.. magnetic field and lot of other things.

                        example is let say a ship in edge of ocean(anchor work like stablizer).. and the tent in jungle(pegs) works like stablizer, in building the bridge(the pillars) works like foundation .. all this time its for balance/grip.. so when the opposite forces reacted to the obstruction it will give you balance ..

                        without it.. things will not stand they way you percieve it.. let say a tent without pegs will fall down quickly infront of violent winds.. the ship without anchor will left the shore , and the bridge without pillar will not stand without it..

                        i was watching a documentary about two years ago "mountain machines" on history channel produced by BIG HISTORY production you better watch it for better understanding how mountains play vital role in our lives..hope that help

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                          Comrox
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                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608579.0

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                            MaryK
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                            Guys, is music really prohibited in Quran?(

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                              Amra94
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                              Guys, is music really prohibited in Quran?(

                              No

                              http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/music-singing-forbidden.htm

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                david was a singer too
                                mountains and birds give him beats while he was singing

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                                  MaryK
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                                  Thank youu. I have one more question, why in Quran its says heaven and earth were one thing? Its not said anywhere in the bing bang theory

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    scientific big bang and quranic 2130 are two different things..

                                    same like darwin theory of evolution and quranic evolution are two different things..

                                    make sure theories are just theories .. better theory supercede another theory untill something become proven fact..

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                                      Anoushirvan
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                                      Why in Quran it says that mountains are immovable when they do move as the result of tectonics??

                                      Indeed, Qur'an claims a lot of facts about natural phenomenas that we know today being scientifically not accurate to say the best, or even simply wrong.

                                      It most probably reflects what people believed at the time of the 7th century.
                                      Furthermore, had Qur'an claimed a fact that was supposed to be false in the 7th century but known to be true today, people wouldn't have understood.

                                      In fact the core mistake is to believe that when Qur'an speaks about mountains, it does so to explain what are mountains to ignorant people in order they exalt Allah's majesty.

                                      But Qur'an is not a book to exalt Allah, it is a book of guidance to establish the deen and an argument thereof.

                                      Therefore mountains are a metaphorical argument to advocate the need of theological constructions that link together the Earth and the Heavens, i.e. the secular power on the land and the spiritual power in the minds.
                                      When it says that mountains are anchors on the Earth so that it does not shake, it means that a firm theological construction is necessary in order for a secular power to be stable.

                                      As opposed to mountains, we have nahar, torrents that chide and whirls in all directions, leading to confusion and unstability.

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                                        huruf
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                                        For some eople the Qur'an must be wrong no matter what. The world would crumble for them if the Qur'an is right. They cover their ignorance giing the Qur'an fake praise while at the same time they attribute to it what it does nto say. They want to be the ones that fix the value of everything, including God and God's will and deeds.

                                        Salaam

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                                          good_logic
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                                          Peace Anoushirvan.
                                          Again I find your arguments illogical and baseless in my opinion for the following reasons

                                          1. you say ,quote
                                            But Qur'an is not a book to exalt Allah, it is a book of guidance to establish the deen and an argument thereof.

                                          If it is a book of guidance ,how come you are also claiming it gives you false information and unscientific ones?
                                          You are contradicting yourself here, quoteQur'an claims a lot of facts about natural phenomenas that we know today being scientifically not accurate to say the best, or even simply wrong
                                          If it is a book of guidance it cannot tell you lies or mislead you,can it?

                                          2)And when you say,quoteQur'an claims a lot of facts about natural phenomenas that we know today being scientifically not accurate to say the best, or even simply wrong.
                                          List your evidence ,or own the statement "according to your understanding". Do not make false assumptions about Qoran without solid evidence.

                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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