For Men Only !

imrankhawaja

lol, i am not james bond ,bro

just curious to know what does it mean? confused

parvez_mushtaq

Your generalisations on the human race are quite bleak.

Do you think i wrote an essay on women.i have given all the verses from the Quran .if you think my perception is wrong than give your opinion ,why i am wrong .i am open .it is Quran ,the ultimate .with whole heart i will just accept your opinion if it is correct .

By your deductions, women are horrendous creatures and men are docile. Your position is quite an extreme one and seems to come from a place of ineffectualness.

sorry ,correction pl
i said they have a upper hand upon men which our macho men never realize .They royally rule men and he is not even aware of it .

Surely if she marries him, it just gives her a license to manipulate him and become "dominant" and "independent" herself. Are you really encouraging such behaviour.

lol,don't you realized ,he is already in her web.she could not tolerate salafis but on the other hand she says he is tolerating her and of course every man loves to get used by the women and loved to do that beautiful mistake again and again and again......

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lol the real joke is ,our breather over there are giving a very ,very bad advice,asking her not to marry him .they claim ,they are quranist yet they cannot tolerate sects whereas ,quran condones inter religious marriages as well as religions .this is the limit of fanaticism .day by day we are becoming like salafis or worst than salafis .
i have seen all sects ,everyone wants to prove the supremacy of his sect yet they very clearly knew it the GOD who judges all sects/religions .freemiders are no exception .
no one wants to work on bring all sects to one rather everyone wants to open the gap wide among them .i had a plan but again ,no one is with me ....same sectarian effect

BTW , i am waiting for your opinion .again ,By ALLAH subhanavatala ,if you can prove my perception about the verses are wrong ,i am ready to accept your opinion

in short ,the story so far is ...
1.women are the first weakness of men and women very well aware of it
2.but men and women can plan but women have the advantage of point no 1 over men
3.our macho man thinks he is dominating his partner but the realty is our macho man is ruled by his women and of course every man loves it
4.problems escalates when men gets effected by their women otherwise ,our macho man never realize it

virginia

Surah 3 Aya 14
Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return.

Peace,

Look again at 314 and take into account the "for the people", not only for men.

so their plan and its execution is much more cunning than a male .planning ?..It reminds me about a verse about the planning of women

All the rest of your post seems to me a very Eve-convincing-Adam-to-eat-the-apple reading... Not a quranic approach of male/female natures at all.

Observe 6610 to 6611, God puts forth 4 examples of women 2 rejecters and 2 believers, not an unbalanced account in favour of snake-listeners and male-manipulator beings.

God bless you all

huruf

To say tht women are used to being talked about nicely is really ashtonishing and could only come wither from a woman who thinks that women are eil and the worst enemies of women or from men who see as normal that women are spoken ill of and therefore only notice the speech about women when it says something nice.

Because simply that nice speech aobut women being common or the most often is simply not tru.

nd this maniulating and ruling in the shadows without men noticing I do nto consider a compliment but an acknowledment that in fact women cannot get ahead by being sincere and being themseles because they willb e eaten alive and therefore the only way for them is being manipulative. That is an assessment of what is wrong with people, and not an acknowledgemnt of the rel nature of women, which does nto exist, because women are people, that is each person different fromt he other person, although, like men if they are hungry they will want to eat and all the rest.

This outlook is sick, humilliating for women and also for men, because the picture it draws of them is that they cannot live with reality and therefore they have to be given a lie that flatters them, a lie that some women must accept or do accept because they hae learnt to behae like that but that many other women cannot stand and makes them very unhappy. Many men cannot stand that lie either.

As to the nice speech about women, that is what is usually called paying lip service. Yes we tell you nice things, but then keep quiet and be happy with what youget because we know all the speeches and the nice speech can change quite quicly into not at all nice speech, let alone the acts.

This kind of mentality about the realtion between the sexes is a shamandinfantilizes both women and men. It is not the character of a noble society such as the Qur'an sets us for a model.

The Qur'an speaks of friendship, loyalty sincerity, and not of appearances ans shams. Women and men should be loyal,sincere, humble, unimposing, straight and women should be sincerley honoured as such by men and also by other women and neither men nor women e treated like bnot treated like gullible idiots.

A man that need to be lied to in order to be happy... no thank you. That may do for some time before males or females are grown up.

I know of muslim women, converts and others who play along the apparent submissiveness and then on the back of their husbands speak of them like shit, nd I find that despicable, that is not loyalty nor comradeship, nor noble.
I suppose some of those husbands must be satisfied they've got themsleves so ever submissive muslim women... Others not so, they would rather have "normal" wives, which do not play submissivenes and don't manipulate, but are straight.

As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

Salaam

imrankhawaja

everybody have to play their cards when its required.. either male or female..

sometimes a women get affected by those cards
sometimes a man get affected by those cards..

so the real person is the one who holding strong cards but play their cards with (LOVE) not as a power device..

true love is the only thing that change the condition of people..

story goes further some people could not grow love within themselves and when there is no love there is no security of relationship.. so the symbol of love in the shape of kids weak the "self" of individual..

in some most unlucky cases nothing works , not cards, not love, not kids just selfishness or a evil nature of an individual..

NOTE (there are some people exist(male & female) who just come in this world to disturb other person and they will destroy everybody's happiness)

these are the worst of creature and intrestingly they are bad in their every relation
example a bad father is also a bad son,bad brother, bad husband... and a bad neighbor...

same goes with bad mother

es

Salaam,

Do you think i wrote an essay on women.i have given all the verses from the Quran .if you think my perception is wrong than give your opinion ,why i am wrong .i am open .it is Quran ,the ultimate .with whole heart i will just accept your opinion if it is correct .sorry ,correction pl
i said they have a upper hand upon men which our macho men never realize .They royally rule men and he is not even aware of it .
lol,don't you realized ,he is already in her web.she could not tolerate salafis but on the other hand she says he is tolerating her and of course every man loves to get used by the women and loved to do that beautiful mistake again and again and again......

http//www.bollywoodhunts.com/images/initiative/initiative541x720(banner-26).jpg
lol the real joke is ,our breather over there are giving a very ,very bad advice,asking her not to marry him .they claim ,they are quranist yet they cannot tolerate sects whereas ,quran condones inter religious marriages as well as religions .this is the limit of fanaticism .day by day we are becoming like salafis or worst than salafis .
i have seen all sects ,everyone wants to prove the supremacy of his sect yet they very clearly knew it the GOD who judges all sects/religions .freemiders are no exception .
no one wants to work on bring all sects to one rather everyone wants to open the gap wide among them .i had a plan but again ,no one is with me ....same sectarian effect

BTW , i am waiting for your opinion .again ,By ALLAH subhanavatala ,if you can prove my perception about the verses are wrong ,i am ready to accept your opinion

in short ,the story so far is ...
1.women are the first weakness of men and women very well aware of it
2.but men and women can plan but women have the advantage of point no 1 over men
3.our macho man thinks he is dominating his partner but the realty is our macho man is ruled by his women and of course every man loves it
4.problems escalates when men gets effected by their women otherwise ,our macho man never realize it

In theory, it's a great idea that I would spend my precious time to refute your perception of women. Fortunately, I have nor time or desire to do so. If you have such a low opinion of women, and this is what you have garnered during your life so far, then it is your perogative.

Take care.

Salaam.

Sajda.

parvez_mushtaq

Peace,

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All the rest of your post seems to me a very Eve-convincing-Adam-to-eat-the-apple reading... Not a quranic approach of male/female natures at all.

read the title first ,i have to justify the title , it is "For Men Only "

Observe 6610 to 6611, God puts forth 4 examples of women 2 rejecters and 2 believers, not an unbalanced account in favour of snake-listeners and male-manipulator beings.

God bless you all

is that example for is men or for women only
Btw , you have given me one more proof about the women .
Verse 289
And the wife of Pharaoh said, " a comfort of the eye for me and for you. Do not kill him; perhaps he may benefit us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceived not.

See , even a tyrant can ruled by a woman ,you take it as a compliment or a complaint ,whatever

parvez_mushtaq

Thanks Huruf for giving such a balanced answer .i wish i could present you a laptop because i know you suffering with that old machine for along time .i can figure out you have given a nice post ,but i will answer only those which i can thoroughly understand .pl forgive me for that

To say tht women are used to being talked about nicely is really ashtonishing and could only come wither from a woman who thinks that women are eil and the worst enemies of women or from men who see as normal that women are spoken ill of and therefore only notice the speech about women when it says something nice.

Because simply that nice speech aobut women being common or the most often is simply not tru.

nd this maniulating and ruling in the shadows without men noticing I do nto consider a compliment but an acknowledment that in fact women cannot get ahead by being sincere and being themseles because they willb e eaten alive and therefore the only way for them is being manipulative. That is an assessment of what is wrong with people, and not an acknowledgemnt of the rel nature of women, which does nto exist, because women are people, that is each person different fromt he other person, although, like men if they are hungry they will want to eat and all the rest.

This outlook is sick, humilliating for women and also for men, because the picture it draws of them is that they cannot live with reality and therefore they have to be given a lie that flatters them, a lie that some women must accept or do accept because they hae learnt to behae like that but that many other women cannot stand and makes them very unhappy. Many men cannot stand that lie either.

As to the nice speech about women, that is what is usually called paying lip service. Yes we tell you nice things, but then keep quiet and be happy with what youget because we know all the speeches and the nice speech can change quite quicly into not at all nice speech, let alone the acts.

This kind of mentality about the realtion between the sexes is a shamandinfantilizes both women and men. It is not the character of a noble society such as the Qur'an sets us for a model.

i could not understand this part ,but it sounds very interesting ,can you re post it with correction

The Qur'an speaks of friendship, loyalty sincerity, and not of appearances ans shams. Women and men should be loyal,sincere, humble, unimposing, straight and women should be sincerley honoured as such by men and also by other women and neither men nor women e treated like bnot treated like gullible idiots.

True ,

Verse 30.21
And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.

The problem arises when one among them thinks he/she can make him/her a gullible idiot .you are correct

I know of muslim women, converts and others who play along the apparent submissiveness and then on the back of their husbands speak of them like shit, nd I find that despicable, that is not loyalty nor comradeship, nor noble.
I suppose some of those husbands must be satisfied they've got themsleves so ever submissive muslim women... Others not so, they would rather have "normal" wives, which do not play submissivenes and don't manipulate, but are straight.

Very beautiful , Huruf
this is the best part in your post .you have just exposed your maturity ,unlike others .i dont know about your place , but in India ,this is very common .this is a devil's workshop .i really cannot figure out how women manage to live with a guy who they hate the most .
it usually occurs in a gathering ,each one complaining about their husbands .if that gathering consists of all class of women ,namely , submissive ,dominant and independent ,then ,take my word , few of them are going to have a big fight with their husbands after that gathering.
All the rules were broken , pride at rampage ,jealousy is common ,back biting starts and they almost slander their husbands .
if few among them take this discussion seriously ,then that poor man is gong to suffer .

As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

Salaam

I never said ,Queen of saba was manipulative ,rather she was the best .an ability which is rare among men

It is evident from the above verse that a woman can rule a nation at par like man .interestingly, that woman ruler is much more diplomatic than a man because if it was a male ruler he would have immediately declared war but this woman, makes a decision to allure him and of course she knew the weakness of men which is as per Quran

it may sound manipulative ,because i brought that verse .i thought it was right time to bring that verse there .if you think i was projecting queen of saba as manipulative than i must say ,i am wrong

virginia

Peace D

read the title first ,i have to justify the title , it is "For Men Only "is that example for is men or for women only

On the women's issues section confused

Btw , you have given me one more proof about the women .
Verse 289
And the wife of Pharaoh said, " a comfort of the eye for me and for you. Do not kill him; perhaps he may benefit us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceived not.

See , even a tyrant can ruled by a woman ,you take it as a compliment or a complaint ,whatever

What proof have I given?
Which woman having a chat with her husband is ruling there?

confused

parvez_mushtaq

Peace D
On the women's issues section confused

Do you any suggestion

parvez_mushtaq

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As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

Salaam

I have modified my article here ,Huruf

I will reproduce here for you , huruf

Verse 27.28
Take this letter of mine and deliver it to them. Then leave them and see what
they will return.?
Verse 27.29
She said, ?O eminent ones, indeed, to me has been delivered a noble letter.
Verse 27.30
Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed, it reads ?In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful,
Verse 27.31
Be not haughty with me but come to me in submission .? ?
Verse 27.32
She said, ?O eminent ones, advise me in my affair. I would not decide a matter until you witness me.?
Verse 27.33
They said, ?We are men of strength and of great military might, but the command is yours, so see what you will command.?
Verse 27.34
She said, ?Indeed kings ? when they enter a city, they ruin it and render the honored of its people humbled. And thus do they do.
Verse 27.35
But indeed, I will send to them a gift and see with what the messengers will return.?

It is evident from the above verse that a woman can rule a nation at par like man .interestingly, that woman ruler is much more diplomatic than a man because if it was a male ruler he would have immediately declared war but this woman, makes a decision to allure him and gives a very wise reason for that

Surah 3 Aya 14
Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire ? of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return.

Every one among us might have experienced bucket full of dramas from woman .if you are married and have kids, they use our kids as lethal weapon against us. So their plan and its execution is much more cunning than a male .planning ?..It reminds me about a verse about the planning of women

i sincerely thank you for reminding me ,huruf .i have modified it also .

Further,

In the heavenly book, the universal statement, the Quran which addresses all the problems of human race gives a clear statement about women .ponder upon these verses

Verse 33.28

O Prophet, say to your wives, ?If you should desire the worldly life and its adornment, then come, I will provide for you and give you a gracious release.

Verse 33.29

But if you should desire Allah and His Messenger and the home of the Hereafter ? then indeed, Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a great reward.?

Verse 66.05

Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you , would substitute for him wives better than you ? submitting , believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling ? previously married and virgins.

Can anyone tell me what the hikma of these verses is?

Why Quran is so stern about the wives of our prophet

Finally

Quran is making a very good example by giving the parables of two good women and two bad in the verses, these verses are especially for ladies

Verse 66.10

Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, ?Enter the Fire with those who enter.?

Verse 66.11

And Allah presents an example of those who believed the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, ?My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people.?

Verse 66.12

And Mary, the daughter of ?Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Mushtaq

It was the outcome of this discussion .i cannot do it here so i did on my site

parvez_mushtaq

Salaam,
In theory, it's a great idea that I would spend my precious time to refute your perception of women. Fortunately, I have nor time or desire to do so. If you have such a low opinion of women, and this is what you have garnered during your life so far, then it is your perogative.

Take care.

Salaam.

Sajda.

How can you refute Quran .divorce is very common now. lot of men don't believe in marriages .there is no tranquility in marriages .it is more like compromise .there is no submission in love .
BTW ,what you think about these statements

wife taking care of her in laws (fatwa)
men supposed to spend on wife ,only if she make herself available (fatwa)
-Wife giving zakat to her husband (fatwa)

do you think these type of fatwas can unite husband and wife .no man will ever think that his wife or his children are a separate entity .i believe home is a one unit
this is the real Islam which is the part of this world now,pl don't tell me we will never get effected by these fatwas