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What happens to transsexuals?

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    OnlyOneGod
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    They're not born transexual, it's a choice.

    What about hermaphrodites?

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      Amra94
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      What about hermaphrodites?

      Since they're born with both male and female parts they should be able to choose their sex when they're ready

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        HP_TECH
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        Allah says He created two pairs the male and the female and friggin people want to contest every single darn thing man!

        How have you then submitted? How Sway?

        Did God create pedophiles as pedophiles? Imran your logic does not make sense.

        If transexuals should be left alone to act as they please based on the idea that they can't help it, then by the same token pedophiles and incestuous individuals like many hill billies should also be allowed to express themselves how they please?

        Come on that's a joke!

        Allah creates everything in truth. He does not command the immorality!

        Do you even Quran bro? 728
        http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=7&verse=28#(72816)

        Hermaphrodites?

        The template is always going to be male or female. Two pairs the male and the female. TWO PAIRS! Male and female!

        Who says there are three? Who would contest the truth from our Lord?

        Who defies Allah's Words and logic itself?

        Step up if you are so bold

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          imrankhawaja
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          Allah says He created two pairs the male and the female and friggin people want to contest every single darn thing man!

          Did God create pedophiles as pedophiles? Imran your logic does not make sense.

          Step up if you are so bold

          peace Hp_tech

          RED
          Allah say he created everything in pair
          didnt he say he created everything in only two sexes

          you need to understand this book is a religious book when it adress the people it will adress them in a manner acceptable
          like oh ladies and gentleman
          not the way oh ladies genetleman and transgenders

          coming back to medical point of view Yes third kind exist not only in humans but also in plants go research urself please

          GREEN
          there is a difference between a criminal and a person born with black face,uglyface,mix sex harmones,poor family background,orphan etc

          pedophile is a criminal,same like thief is a criminal

          well before couple of weeks i was also aggressive about that thing i can truly understand ur emotions
          but i revised my thinking due to a reason
          i encounter some people and it make me feel sad about all that time what i have been thinking about them
          due to misunderstanding of LUT nation

          that nation raped the boys kill the innocents rob the caravans etc

          but the poor perosn who born with disabilty have nothing to do with the nation LUT
          if you look inside that person he/she is already feel himself out of community just that he born with that fault. people hate him just becoz he is different than normal male female

          is it fair? u tell now i m not that stone hearted to hate somebody for no reason on other hand i start loving these creatures and i m regretful of my previous hateful thinking what i revised

          they deserve love and even in my country the law is changed and now these type of sex can have property and national Id

          a real muslim(peacemaker) is a symbol of love and peace along with sympathy

          BOLD no need to step up or bold i cant deny what i see with my own eyes
          i cant reject what i feel from inside
          i cant blame what is the planning of God to make such creation

          so step up for makin peace in community instead of hating them which will practically not give us anything apart from fighting and trouble

          Note i m talking about gender (not about the same sex relationship like Gay/lesbian)
          God bless you

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            huruf
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            I really wonder how we are so fantastically able to make plans for people in next life, never mind whether transgender, transpecies, trans...

            I really worry about myself, I do not know tht I would also have ideas about what is going to happen to these or those.
            It sounds to me fantastic.

            Salaam

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              A_Submitter
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              I was wondering for those who advocate transsexualism...
              God never makes an error. Everything He creates is perfect and there are no mistakes. Everyone agrees?

              But then transsexuals say that they are meant to be opposite gender. So they are basically mocking God, and we have believers who advocate for transsexuals. Hmmm

              How about the advocates of homosexuality. The Quran has already forbidden homosexual acts, but there are some believers who advocate it anyway. God created two genders. Each gender is for the other. Yet the homosexuals mock God by saying they're meant to be the opposite sex or just be with same sex. Biologically speaking, it makes no sense.
              I won't go into lengths, but anyone who advocates LGBT is basically mocking God. Think about it.

              The intention of the topic wasn't to look for answers, just fun, the funny picture when transgenders are resurrected and they aren't the gender they wanted to be in this worldly life rotfl rotfl

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                imrankhawaja
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                Everything He creates is perfect and there are no mistakes. Everyone agrees?

                i disagree

                only God is perfect .. rest of the things are not perfect..
                the imperfection of these things can b tested..

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                  A_Submitter
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                  i disagree

                  only God is perfect .. rest of the things are not perfect..
                  the imperfection of these things can b tested..

                  Everything He creates is as He wishes. Maybe we see certain things as imperfections, but He perfects everything, He makes no mistakes, no error. This is what I meant.
                  When He made each person a female or male, it was without mistake and no error. When transsexuals say they got the wrong gender, they are mocking God. Same with homosexuals, they mock Him too as God created females and males for each other and not female-female or male-male.

                  They are indirectly saying that God made mistakes and errors!!!

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                    Cerberus
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                    They are indirectly saying that God made mistakes and errors!!!

                    While it sounds revolting to you, that's the least of their problems.

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      When He made each person a female or male, it was without mistake and no error. When transsexuals say they got the wrong gender, they are mocking God.

                      http//www.newhealthadvisor.com/Hermaphrodite-Human-Pictures.html
                      https//www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism

                      who are these people?

                      i myself witness lot of these people who have breast like females and genitile organs like male

                      why they exist ? what is the solution for them?

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                        http//www.newhealthadvisor.com/Hermaphrodite-Human-Pictures.html
                        https//www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism

                        who are these people?

                        i myself witness lot of these people who have breast like females and genitile organs like male

                        why they exist ? what is the solution for them?

                        Breasts don't define a female. There are males with testicle cancer, and they develop breasts. Others without cancer can develop breasts. It's called gynecomastia.

                        The solution is to look to the reproductive organ as they define whether one is a male or female. If an intersex has ovaries, then she is a female. If an intersex has sperm, then he's a male.
                        I don't know about other deformities...

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          It's called gynecomastia.

                          no its called intersex

                          https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

                          study for more in depth and their kinds are mention there too..

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                            HP_TECH
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                            While it sounds revolting to you, that's the least of their problems.

                            No Cerb, that is the worst of their problems, Hell is lying in wait for the disbelievers.
                            Submitter and the sincere servants with I denounce their ACTIONS and dissociate ourselves from them and what they do.

                            There is no middle ground, what happened to Lut's wife?

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                              A_Submitter
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                              no its called intersex

                              https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

                              study for more in depth and their kinds are mention there too..

                              I was giving example that breasts can develop in men later in life to say that breasts doesn't define what a female is, but the reproductive organ does. Same for men, their gender won't be redefined if they have gynecomastia.
                              When males develop breasts, it's called gynecomastia.

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                                While it sounds revolting to you, that's the least of their problems.

                                I don't care about them, they are rejecters anyway.
                                It's the more than 50% of forum members who support and advocate for LGBT.

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                                  Cerberus
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                                  I agree there are only two genders, even science agrees on that. People who call themselves 'transsexuals' are usually people who have a sex chromosome abnormality, aka a sexual disorder. And so, they should be viewed as people with a condition. Usually a direct consequence from this condition is being unable to procreate.

                                  There is nothing that proves that people with sex chromosome abnormalities tend to be homosexuals because of that. So atleast don't confuse both of them.

                                  As for homosexuality, and specifically having or experiencing sexual urges toward same-sex, that is same as having sexual urges towards the opposite sex, both are to be surpassed. Both are harmful, and so it depends on the person whether he/she wants to take that sacrifice.

                                  As for having sexual intercourses with same-sex, it is a pointless thing to do, void of any sense, because there is a sense in using our sexual organs, and that is to procreate, 'a sacrifice for the next generation'. So, sexual intercourses between same-sex are simply non-sense, an "immorality". But so is sodomy, and so is any misuse of sexual organs, even by heterosexuals.

                                  The only issue is that sexuality is wrongly given a lot of weight in people's life, be it someone who desires the opposite sex (hetero) or someone who desires the same-sex (homo).

                                  As for LGBTQ the movement, there is no need to pay any attention to it because it's just Tumblr users leaving their rooms.

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                                    I agree there are only two genders, even science agrees on that. People who call themselves 'transsexuals' are usually people who have a sex chromosome abnormality, aka a sexual disorder. And so, they should be viewed as people with a condition. Usually a direct consequence from this condition is being unable to procreate.

                                    There is nothing that proves that people with sex chromosome abnormalities tend to be homosexuals because of that. So atleast don't confuse both of them.

                                    As for homosexuality, and specifically having or experiencing sexual urges toward same-sex, that is same as having sexual urges towards the opposite sex, both are to be surpassed. Both are harmful, and so it depends on the person whether he/she wants to take that sacrifice.

                                    As for having sexual intercourses with same-sex, it is a pointless thing to do, void of any sense, because there is a sense in using our sexual organs, and that is to procreate, 'a sacrifice for the next generation'. So, sexual intercourses between same-sex are simply non-sense, an "immorality". But so is sodomy, and so is any misuse of sexual organs, even by heterosexuals.

                                    The only issue is that sexuality is wrongly given a lot of weight in people's life, be it someone who desires the opposite sex (hetero) or someone who desires the same-sex (homo).

                                    As for LGBTQ the movement, there is no need to pay any attention to it because it's just Tumblr users leaving their rooms.

                                    Cerb that last sentence made my night rotfl

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                                      I think it really boils down to what you perceive heaven to be, and how close it is implemented to the scale and quality of life we have in this existence. Most religions tend to lean towards the afterlife being the "superior" life, one that either lasts significantly longer or permanent. Many interpretations of a heaven is the freedom to do what one chooses with little boundaries, with some going as far as saying you would be unable to break a soul of another person, and hence would never be able to commit acts such as 'murder'. If the heaven a soul ends up in has features of a mouldable form by the soul, then presumably a transgender person who choose what everyone else would do whatever is comfortable.

                                      This presumably means that people who weren't transgender in this life, may well have the option of doing so in the next without discrimination.

                                      I wondered whether to sift into the other conversations in this topic, but decided to leave it at that.

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                                        I thinkit really boils down to what you perceive heaven to be, and how close it is implemented to the scale and quality of life we have in this existence. Most religions tend to lean towards the afterlife being the "superior" life, one that either lasts significantly longer or permanent. Many interpretations of a heaven is the freedom to do what one chooses with little boundaries, with some going as far as saying you would be unable to break a soul of another person, and hence would never be able to commit acts such as 'murder'. If the heaven a soul ends up in has features of a mouldable form by the soul, then presumably a transgender person who choose what everyone else would do whatever is comfortable.

                                        This presumably means that people who weren't transgender in this life, may well have the option of doing so in the next without discrimination.

                                        I wondered whether to sift into the other conversations in this topic, but decided to leave it at that.

                                        Emphasis on "I think". You are just guessing. You are giving mention to perspectives that are unquranic. As long as you move in such direction you are merely conjecturing.
                                        Follow what Allah has revealed not your assumptions.

                                        Give proof for what you speak of or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          sometimes i see people with disability are born..

                                          like blind, deaf, dumb , abnormal mind..

                                          some of them use brain to think half of the glass is empty some of them think no half glass is full..

                                          but in case of abnormal kids.. like deaf blind, dumb how should they b treated?
                                          why 99% people born as normal and only 1% is born as disabilites?
                                          is the creation of God is not perfect?
                                          is God is not just so that he could have make all 100 % as normal...

                                          same goes with the kind i am talking about.. you guys from start did not really understand whats am on about?
                                          did i say anything about (gay lesbian)? if no then see what i telling..

                                          i m telling a gender who have a disability and they are not hidden now..

                                          different cultures have different names for them

                                          "hejra" in urdu
                                          "kinner" in hindi
                                          "khusra" in punjabi

                                          these are people who are considered separate from whole society and they treated like shit, they are not allowed to go on school becoz if they go to boys place they will get bullied if they go to girls place they will not allowed to do things ?

                                          they are not allowed to do jobs
                                          they are not allowed to ask a share in property.

                                          the only thing left for them is to join lot of other like them who are engagged in dancing and singing (what a shame and zulum on them) how unfair..

                                          if you guys think its a disability, i have no issue , my issue is,
                                          is it ok to throw out the disable from your house and society?

                                          as i stated earlier God never say he create only two sex..

                                          thats what we see in normal conditions that animals, humans and plants have male and female sexes with normal functions

                                          but we also see lot of abnormalities in creation of God that occurs from time to time..

                                          like twins
                                          born as deaf, dumb
                                          born as blind
                                          born as male with female harmones(intersex)
                                          born as female with male harmones(intersex)
                                          born with two heads

                                          even in plants they are some unisex species..
                                          and what about "Earthworm" having both male and female reproductive organs?

                                          if they exist God knows about them and God never wanted us to hate somebody just becoz he/she is disable?

                                          God bless you all

                                          NOTE sometimes God give message in different shapes , i hope nobody from you want their kid born as the disability of mix gender.. at that time i dnt feel you have anything to do against them or God? but one thing you will say definately ..
                                          they exist and they should treated same as other human beings..

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