Ibliss and science
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Salaam
Warning this thread is metaphysical and a little complicated and reserved for those wo have good knowledge of quran (sorry for my english who limits my capacity to expose complex ideas).
There is an interesting quote of a religious scientist
"we are spiritual entities having biological experience and not biological entities having spiritual experience".
this quote quite summarize the opposition between atheists and believers.the fact is that nowhere in quran there is mention of Eve.
So we can easily support the idea that the zawj (spouse) of adam is not the spouse in the couple (man/woman) but the spouse in the couple spirit/flesh or Jinn/Ins if we take quranic words. The couple spirit/flesh is a central theme in new testament.So humanity would have began when the couple Jinn/Ins were married (homo spiritualicus) and not when a certain Adam was married to a certain Eve. Guys who wrote actual torah have missed something somewhere...
But before saying that Ibliss is the ancestors of all Jinns living in the human body let recall this verse
3128 Your creation and your resurrection is all like that of one soul. God is Hearer, Seer.So we can imagine that Adam represents all the humanity and Ibliss all the "spiritual" humanity and read the "quran genesis" in a complete allegorical way.
Ibliss root is bls wich means something like despair (see 6-44;23-77;30-12;30-49;43-75)
it us funny to note the phonetic similarty with police whose "education policy" is to educate by jail like spirit jailed in body.When Allah asked angels to make sojoud to Adam, it doesn't mean that Allah ask angels to make idolatry by prostrating towards Adam, but Allah was simply asking angels to "fully experiment" their biological experience and to learn from the other quran, written with special kinds of ayats, that is what we call science today (physics, biology...). Soujoud means listen with obedience. We can consider a good scientist as guy making sojoud to scientifical laws of God. It is a kind of piety.
Who knows ? perhaps there is others planets where "angels" have best mastered science. Root of malaika, as etymology says, is something like "who carry loyally the message".
We, "quranists", are trying to rediscover the true meaning of words. That is the famous asma'a hassana who are not the 99 names of Allah teached by scholars. Asmaa hassana is the right names, Hassan in arabic is said to good job and not to beautiful job. You can do hassan work by cleaning trash.
So job of Adam is to teach right names to angels. Only the disobedient "angels", wich we can call ibliss, reject that and elaborate a complete set a false meanings with the mecanisms exposed in quran (false teachers/arbabs, ancestors cults, stupid rituality as god system to replace studing and meditating ...)Ibliss is not chaytan and appears only in the "rejection of soujoud to Adam" episode. And Chaytan is not a red ugly guy but the word point to a status of rejection like 3atchan points to a thirsty guy. Chaytan is the status of being away from the path and the teachings of God. And Chaytan is used in Quran both for ins and Jinn, in singular and plural form. Chaytan is a status that can be applied to each one of us when we are going in the opposite side of the way teached by Allah. And word chaytan can be also applied to culture of disobedience invented by humans and their false scholars/Arbabs.
Many people think that what we call "evolution theory" is in opposition with quran. In fact it is only in opposition with a false set of "understanding" attributed to words of God. And evolution as theory have also many problems and lacks. But it is cleat that fossils don't lie even if some evolutionists acts now like priest of a new religion. Science has his charlatans like religion has.
One thing we can observe is that progress made in the science (adamic quran ) help us to identify what chaytan invented on Quran exegesis.
One of the great corollary of the point of view exposed in this thread is that we are quite obliged to accept the difficult idea that each of us is a dual entity with a spirit for the adamic side (ins) and a spirit for the spiritual side (iblissian side). Like if Ibliss was Eve, our mother and Adam our father. It is like if we have to reject "Ibliss rahm", to turn back to the righ rahm. The motherhood is clear in word Omma. And right Omma will turn back to right Rahm that is the one of the great Rahim. Right Omma don't make confusion between human made Omma and God made Omma. Too many people belive they inherits guidance from the path followed by their their biological parents.
Allah give us the example of the couple (man and woman) to help us meditate the complex relation between Ins and Jinn.
The subject is complicated, and i have to let reader meditate on the relation induced between religion and science.
However, this complex subject of the "learning spirits" has complementary subjects like "is there reicarnation ?" and " What is hell and what is paradise ?" for wich many people has a complete set of not hassan names to study them. What chaytan teached us on Jehennem is totally stupid and Jehhennem cannot be a giant barbecue.Peace and sorry for the headache
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Peace noshirk.
This is like trying a jigsaw with many missing (In our case forgotten) pieces
Qoran said GOD starts a creation and repeats the process.You know what is happening with "genetic engineering/biology" nowadays. Man is starting to "create" ( Although,I am using the wrong word) different species of fruits,animals,plants...using DNA structures and genetics.
Why I am saying this? Because there is nothing new under the sun. Even our imagination must have been some reality in the past. We cannot imagine something not created,can we? Have you heard of the gap theory?
In brief GOD is repeating the creation with us. Science,technology...etc have been used and experimented with by other creatures before now,we have been involved in a life before and reprogrammed in this biological life to completely forget our past life.
Angels,Jinns,..others also existed before ,so was Science used before also(What GOD calls knowledge is the true science).
Was the gap theory a time before the creation of this universe where evil had to complete its cycle,so that we can be tried ?
GOD is perfection, Evil had to evolve and the test must include good v evil!Also, why a trial by good v evil? Why are we humans now?What were we before we existed? Why does Qoran say we "sinned"?
Even more complicated ideas here for you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Oui Monsieur noshirk.
Merci beaucoup.Comme toujours,il y a beaucoup de travail dans les etudes du Coran seulement.
Aussi,il faut verifier toutes les informations trouve ailleiur. Donc on roule toujours,occupe pour connaitre la verite.
Oui Monsieur noshirk, le bouleau est difficile.Bon courage et bonne sante.
Peace.