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Some thoughts about the creation and nature

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    Mazhar
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    Man and the Universe

    Why is the Universe the way it is?

    Introduction

    1. Where did the universe come from?

    2. Why did it begin? What was the purpose of its creation?

    3. How did it begin?

    4. Will it come to an end? And if so, how?

    Man and the Universe

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      230 (?) "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know.

      God will place on earth a creature who will fail to keep the balance, who will transgress and will corrupt His Creation. So the malaika wonder and ask, and of course, God knew that Iblis would refuse to prostrate to that ?khalifatan?.

      It is actually a glorious moment In 230 God informs He is placing a khalifatan on earth. And precisely these God?s words are the force that initiates the process (malaika asking, Iblis rejecting) that will precisely place Adam on earth in 236!

      230 is talking about those who were already on earth, but they were savage and without IQ. The verse makes it clear that the angels can't predict the future with He said "I know what you do not know.

      It seems they were stunned by God's decision to put a bunch of savages in leadership position on earth.

      Adam wasn't the first human. He was the first civilized human.

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        230 is talking about those who were already on earth, but they were savage and without IQ. The verse makes it clear that the angels can't predict the future with He said "I know what you do not know.

        It seems they were stunned by God's decision to put a bunch of savages in leadership position on earth.

        Adam wasn't the first human. He was the first civilized human.

        Peace,

        I have been checking the verses afterwards and indeed there is no hint the hkalifatan is Adam, whose name appears later. But in the very same line of logic we should be careful and not to think the khalifatan is human being either, such a thing is not explicity expressed.

        So we are understanding wrongly the meaning of "khalifatan" or we are supposing things as the angels could have done, or the angels understood perfectly the meaning of khalifatan and so their opposition (that is the reason why i did not translate khalifat)

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          Mazhar
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          the First Narrative - Episode - real life event 230

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            reel
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            Peace,

            I have been checking the verses afterwards and indeed there is no hint the hkalifatan is Adam, whose name appears later. But in the very same line of logic we should be careful and not to think the khalifatan is human being either, such a thing is not explicity expressed.

            So we are understanding wrongly the meaning of "khalifatan" or we are supposing things as the angels could have done, or the angels understood perfectly the meaning of khalifatan and so their opposition (that is the reason why i did not translate khalifat)

            1. Read Mazhar's link.
            2. Look at the reality
            3. See all the verses about evolution.
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              imrankhawaja
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              brother mazhar link is an interesting read ..
              thanx for share

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                virginia
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                1. Read Mazhar's link.
                2. Look at the reality
                3. See all the verses about evolution.

                Peace,

                thanks, I did. Very interesting read once more from Mazhar.

                So after 3 points that's all, I shall shut up

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                  Peace,

                  thanks, I did. Very interesting read once more from Mazhar.

                  So after 3 points that's all, I shall shut up

                  Oh don't be shut up when you see anything odd. Otherwise, we won't ever learn.

                  lol, I used to reject evolution some years ago and even had debate over it here. rotfl

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                    virginia
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                    Oh don't be shut up when you see anything odd. Otherwise, we won't ever learn.

                    lol, I used to reject evolution some years ago and even had debate over it here. rotfl

                    Peace,

                    Aw you thought i reject evolution? No no no i am sorry if i made such an impression, I am actually a huge fan of anthropology yes

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                      Peace,

                      Aw you thought i reject evolution? No no no i am sorry if i made such an impression,

                      Oh no, not you. It is me who came to sense after focusing on those verses.

                      I am actually a huge fan of anthropology yes

                      Me too. Remembering the terms was a bit hard for me though.

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