What happened to youssef4342?
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Brother,Qoran says do not call anyone who does you no harm . He called himself an Atheist.
I was only referring to the etiquette of Qoran and good manners that is all. But it is up to you.
For me there is no reason to call anyone a "disbeliever",if they do you no harm. If they are one,GOD Alone is their judge.
You are a brother and I care for you also.
GOD bless you.
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" At least you still have time" -->" so you still have the chance to submit to God "--> "if God wills so "
I'll rephrase it in a more logical way
" You still have time " --> "if God wills " --> " You still have the chance to submit to God"" You have time but unless God wills otherwise you have no chance to submit to God again."
So to speak,
" you have time to do whatever you want, but unless God wills otherwise you're still going to hell."Anything to add, A Submitter ?
Those rephrasings aren't same as what I said.
God is in control of all things.
If we submit to God, it's by what He wills. This is found in the Quran.If Realist submits to God again, then God has willed this.
7630 And you cannot will unless God wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
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Those are the same, but whatever, next statement
If Realist submits to God again, then God has willed this.
If Realist submits to God again, it's because Realist willed to do so. And strived to do so.
If Realist hadn't willed to submit to God, he wouldn't have submitted to God. It wouldn't make sense for God to will something, and Realist to will another, and still what God wills to happen.
Both God's will and Realist's will are in harmony. God and Realist are not the same, but God is in Realist and Realist is part of God. So they cannot go apart from each other.
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Those are the same, but whatever, next statement If Realist submits to God again, it's because Realist willed to do so. And strived to do so.
If Realist hadn't willed to submit to God, he wouldn't have submitted to God. It wouldn't make sense for God to will something, and Realist to will another, and still what God wills to happen.
Both God's will and Realist's will are in harmony. God and Realist are not the same, but God is in Realist and Realist is part of God. So they cannot go apart from each other.
7630 And you cannot will unless God wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
So after setting up Hans Zimmer as a partner somehow, now you have set up Realist as a partner with God. With this view, you have set up +7 billion humans as partner with God. I do not bear witness with you.
Salam
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Furthermore, since Realist and those 7 billion people are put to test in this earth, it wouldn't make sense for God to start willing for them. To do the work for them.
It wouldn't make sense for God to make them happy when they wish to be happy. To make them healthy when they wish to be healthy. To make them safe when they wish to be safe.
Their key to succeeding in this life is to follow God, God is very close to all of them.
Realist and everyone else have to do, to will and subsequently to be.
(at this point I'm no longer addressing this to you A Submitter, you can save yourself any further typing)
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Furthermore, since Realist and those 7 billion people are put to test in this earth, it wouldn't make sense for God to start willing for them. To do the work for them.
It wouldn't make sense for God to make them happy when they wish to be happy. To make them healthy when they wish to be healthy. To make them safe when they wish to be safe.
Their key to succeeding in this life is to follow God, God is very close to all of them.
Realist and everyone else have to do, to will and subsequently to be.
(at this point I'm no longer addressing this to you A Submitter, you can save yourself any further typing)
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Peace A Submitter.
The brother said he is Atheist now,I did not see "disbeliever"?
And even if he was,only himself and GOD know at this moment. In future he may change like he did the other time.
"Do not say to those who say "Peace to you" you are "disbelievers".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL,
It's not synonymous with that example from the Quran at all. Do not get concepts and ideas confused. Those ayaats were in regards to seeking wealth from claiming others were not Muslim without properly investigating.
Here we have a case in which an individual voluntarily brought forth he is a rejecter. A Submitter called it like it was. Call a duck a duck, call a goose a goose. Why are you always trying to blur the lines. The ink is dry and bold, black and white clear for those of vision.
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4137What is an atheist but a disbeliever that claims he has no accountability and disbelieves in His Creator and in His Books, His Messengers and the Day we are made to stand before The Most Gracious?
You need to stop trying to do mental gymnastics to accept all these disbelievers. Rather stand firm against them as you are commanded be stern with them. Act justly, yes but be stern in the matters of the deen. Why do you sympathize with the criminals?Furthermore, your definition of what a believer is also blurred questioning why I should not take up a Catholic wife in another thread. Your understanding is distorted if you truly believe today's Christians or Jews just as today's sectarians are ( generally speaking) believers. They do not follow Islam. Most of them associate partners, and they conceal part of the revelation and they reject their messenger and they despise that we should believe in the truth from our Lord. But You claim there is no clear line?
No by no means turn around as soon as possible
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Peace HP_TECH.
Brother,let us go to Qoran"Ya Ayuha lladin Aamanu",to me means those who believe in "Haqq" (Truth) GOD is the Haqq( Inna Allaha huws Al Haqqu Wa annama Taduuna min doonihi huwa Al baatilu... "
What is Haqq in Qoran? The good traits like justice,peace,forgiveness...etc.
Opposite this a disbeliever is the one who believes in " Baatil" which is injustice,corruption,aggression towards others...etc.Otherwise GOD would not address the believers as- ""Ya Ayuha lladin Aamanu,Aaminu biAllahi... i.e" "believers" to believe in Him,His books,His...etc i.e. GOD is addressing the just,peaceful,good...people of all humans regardless of their background or religion.
Who are you to choose what a disbeliever is ? I follow Qoran and the choice there is clear to me.
GOD also says "Inna lladeena Aamanu thumma Kafaru...Thumma".This means those who followed the truth( were just,peaceful...) then changed to disbelievers ( injustice,aggression against people...)...It has nothing to do with religion or organisation.
GOD addresses all humans in Qoran. "Alladin Aamanu wa amilu alssalihati" can come from all walks of life.
Also that aaya in saying" Do not say to peaceful people" Alqua ilykum Assalama" means he means you no harm,he is just and friendly and good with you. It does not mean said hello to you!!!!
As far as I can tell the brother came to ask a question in peace,why call him a disbeliever?I find your understanding different from mine brother,but I would still say peace to you.
GOD bless you.
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Can we focus on my main question please? What happened to youssef? He was like 19 or something. Think he lived in Texas and his family disowned him if I remember correctly. He was homeless and he spoke about how he would see/hear things. I'm surprised you guys haven't heard of him. He was very active on this board as well as facebook.
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Sorry Realist about the off topic
,I have not heard from him or others about him either.
Like you ,I hope someone knows where he is now?
GOD bless you.
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He made this well made topics while he was here. I hope to God (SWT) that he is okay.
Here are the topics by Youssef4342
God's System of Righteousness (The Reward system for those who are Nice/Benevolent)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602900
God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603904.0
The Original purpose of our creation
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603282.0
~ God's Unconnditional servants ~
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603053
7 "Hells", 2 Heavens, and a "Purgatory"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603259
Why language is irrelevant!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603266.0
