If we deny the hadiths, how do we know that the Quran we are holding in our hand
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The answers are screaming right in your face. Interests being used to cripple livelihood.
You sound so convinced, God brings the sun from the east, so you bring it from the west? Please.. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/onion053.gifMan of Faith got through to you, as it was apparent from your admiration for his work.
It's never meaningless if you're a loving human being. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/129fs4252631.gif9218 The one who gives his money to purify.
9219 Seeking nothing in return.
9220 Except the face of His Lord, the Most High.
9221 And he will be pleased.I'd talk about your other points, but I'd be going in circles with you.
Peace. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gifBecause Man of Faith and Hansolo are the only ones thinking straight and actually trying to figure out the truth instead of believing what we've been told since we were young as facts without questioning them.
I said it in my introduction thread, I mainly joined free minds to learn more about his perspective.
I have not fully answered Wakas question but till now you and good logic have just avoided my reasons. Anyways like I said people here are stuck in a loophole
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Peace Hansolo,
if you realize only consciousness actually exists, then as we all share the same perception of consciousness only a single consciousness can exist, if we have independent consciousness then we are a fractal form of that consciousness, if we are a fractal of a single consciousness we have existed within that consciousness always and always will as long as that consciousness exists.
Now as all is perception, then perception must form perceptions around the nature of itself, for example a pattern of reality is everything and nothing, so for example space is 99.999r% empty, other than energy waves, the remainder is plasma which is 99.99r% of all matter, then 99.999r% of the remainder is gases, 99.999r% of the remainder is crystalline solids, 99.999r% of the remainder is liquids. This shows the underlying nature of nothing, in tension to all thought which is reality.
Peace Abdun Nur,
Very interesting how everything is. So if we are fractal of a single consciousness which is the source of everything that was, that is and that can be. Does it mean that there must be a way to use our fractal mind to connect with the main universal consciousness? Doesn't that mean that we can manipulate this material reality which is basically a universal thought ? Doesn't that mean that if every consciousness on this earth is part of this universal consciousness that if we all wanted to create a paradise on this earth we could actually do it, because if we all put our minds into whatever we liked there should be no limits because our consciousness virtually has no limits, no?
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Because Man of Faith and Hansolo are the only ones thinking straight and actually trying to figure out the truth instead of believing what we've been told since we were young as facts without questioning them.
Peace Abdun Nur,
Very interesting how everything is. So if we are fractal of a single consciousness which is the source of everything that was, that is and that can be. Does it mean that there must be a way to use our fractal mind to connect with the main universal consciousness? Doesn't that mean that we can manipulate this material reality which is basically a universal thought ? Doesn't that mean that if every consciousness on this earth is part of this universal consciousness that if we all wanted to create a paradise on this earth we could actually do it, because if we all put our minds into whatever we liked there should be no limits because our consciousness virtually has no limits, no?
Indeed, hansolo is thinking straight.. not. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/290.gif
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Indeed, hansolo is thinking straight.. not. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/290.gif
He's asking question based on what the other member stated. If you actually read the Quran and atleast know the stories of the Gospels and The Torah. You have humans altering reality and the material world, yes I am talking about prophets.
Lately I've been thinking it might all be made up, like all the other tales, legends and mythologies. However, what if it's true...how did these humans perform so called miracles. I don't need an answer but I'm just saying.
Hansolo is trying to find the truth so he's trying to understand everything and everyone, sadly it's too much information sometimes that makes everything seem so confusing.
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He's asking question based on what the other member stated. If you actually read the Quran and atleast know the stories of the Gospels and The Torah. You have humans altering reality and the material world, yes I am talking about prophets.
Lately I've been thinking it might all be made up, like all the other tales, legends and mythologies. However, what if it's true...how did these humans perform so called miracles. I don't need an answer but I'm just saying.
Hansolo is trying to find the truth so he's trying to understand everything and everyone, sadly it's too much information sometimes that makes everything seem so confusing.
I have the perfect speaker that you would perhaps find fascinating, check out this Spiritual Catalyst, her name is Teal Swan on youtube. She may have the answers that you're looking for. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/snoozer_11.gif
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I have the perfect speaker that you would perhaps find fascinating, check out this Spiritual Catalyst, her name is Teal Swan on youtube. She may have the answers that you're looking for. http//www.pic4ever.com/images/snoozer_11.gif
I don't trust people that try to make a profit. They most likely lie to for personal gains.
This is not only in matters of religion but in pretty much everything.
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I don't trust people that try to make a profit. They most likely lie to for personal gains.
This is not only in matters of religion but in pretty much everything.
Profit is part of the trade.
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Peace Hansolo,
it's amusing how religious minds ignore reason, the responses in the thread demonstrate how far from reason most are.
Yes in theory a mind could manipulate reality around them, everything is musical in a way, it is all frequancy, vibration if you like, we atune ourselves to patterns of thought, these patterns can attract like minds, companion minds, the more unique a pattern the more it can causes dissonance in the patterns around it, frequancies want to be in harmony and work towards a balance.
Conceptual thought is powerful, and works on the theory of magnitude, for example if one mind conceptualises a thought and expands it, it is one, but if 10 people do it together, it becomes more than the sum of the parts, it is as if 100 people are doing it. If a large enough group congregate and focus their thoughts it could be theoretically possible to vibrate the organic energy field (orgone field), expanding a thought out over a large area with either a negative or positive mental concept. This was done as an experiment in Washington DC, the crime annual rate was fairly constant year on year and using conceptual thought as a group they attempted to reduce the crime rate, it was successful. In contrast prayer has zero effect even showing a negative effect experimentally.
The task is to master the mind (consciousness), also thought of as the soul. The soul is in dichotomy, on one side the infinite spectrum of ?emotion? making up ninety nine point nine, nine, recurring percent of the soul, and on the other side ?reason? or reasoning consciousness if you like, the infinitesimal drop of antithesis, corporeally the vast emotional moment sleeps soundly and so then must the consciousness that it feeds, a corporeal mind then communicates with the sleeping giant; emotion alone is irrational, inequitable, confused, volatile, and unstable; reason alone is psychopathic, cold, and callous. If you are immortal, indestructible, with an infinite potential in intellect and reasoning, with the power to manifest reality, but you?ve no ability to master your emotions or to wield reason, to understand and apply reason and emotion in unity, recognise suffering, pain, anguish, hate, love, envy, empathy with reasoned consideration in perception etc., what would you be? You would be a demon of psychopathic destruction, cold intellect would dominate, dispassionate thoughts and degenerative thinking would result, fuelled with explosive unstable emotions. Unchecked you would rampage through creation in disharmony, and destroy the ataraxic of growth, shatter the harmony, uproot the truth. You need only consider the systems and dominant of the "world" whirled to see 'that' psychopathic nature released unchecked.
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The task is to master the will into following Consciousness. The will is drawn to our lower self, by nature, and for us to truly exist we need to be able to listen to the consciousness and follow it with our will. Which make us "righteous" by default. This state doesn't really care about how you feel and no feeling should stop you from doing the right thing. And if it does, you're not there yet.
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The delusion of a god is strong, but there can be no god Cerberus, listen to your soul, develop your soul, master yourself through the careful study and establishment of beliefs and the practice of innate virtues, not delusions, as everything is consciousness, there is NOTHING outside of you, only perceptions, it is never an external source, it is never external concepts such as prayer, worship, adoration of false perceptions such as a god entity, none exists, gods are mans delusion, and no god could ever exist, what does exist is a farctal structured single consciousness.
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How did you read it like that ? My god is the silent subtle voice that I often ignore when I sin. And it is the voice that dictates the right thing regardless of the outside world, or even how I feel.
I do not pray, worship, or hope for an outside god to make it rain on me. My god is closer to me and If I do not follow god I can only expect a negative outcome.
A slight difference in definition doesn't hurt, you don't have to try prove that someone is completely wrong and that you are completely right. In fact all the talking adds nothing.
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Still talking about the delusion of a god Cerberus, a god is a separation, there is none, in a fractal structure you contain the whole yet are within the whole, there is no other, the single consciousness is fractal in magnitude, so you presently perceive at a low level of fractal magnitude, if you master emotion through the skill of reasoning and develop them soul it will expand joining companion souls to it and you would expand into a larger fractal form.
Talking adds nothing if you have a belief, that you hold no matter what understanding is presented, all that refutes a position is rejected out of hand and never considered, that is the nature of false perceptions, people will often die for false perceptions, there are many false perception, religions, corporation, government, monarchs etc. are all false perceptions people invest deeply in, they give worship and adoration to, and no matter what exposes these false perceptions they will hear nothing, see nothing, accept nothing that would alter that false perception.
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Peace Rekkd.
So actually I do not care about the truth? So what is the truth according to you?
Or do you mean you have decided that we throw all the ideas out there that have anything to do with religions! We throw the baby with the bath water?
Ok ,I might agree with you that all the religions are false,but I disagree that no truth can be found in any of their contents.
And I agree with you that the majority of how Qoran is interpreted by " Traditional Islam" is completely wrong and bias.Now, do you mean I did not ask all the questions you are asking and more?
Or do you mean I cannot answer your questions?( By the way this I agree with)
Or do you mean I follow other religions? Which one?
Or do you mean I do not read your posts properly ? Or all the members here?I have been where you are and I went through what you are going through. I am not saying I understand how you feel,but I am saying I searched/asked/studied/got confused/hit my head against the wall many hundreds of times/despaired of others views...And so on...
I have found there was no answer out there for me from anyone human!!!
There is no answer for you as long as you "rely" on those who are like you to find you the answer.
As long as you do not adjust your attitude and dig deep inside you for your true instinct,you will miss your answer.As long as the connecting thread to your Creator is broken,you will never find the answer. The message s main aim is to reconnect to your Creator,your true power will start to recharge. Then ,the change in attitude and direction may take you on the "true" journey.
You are right ,I have not got your answer. However the truth is neither any of us has the answer for the other. Each must search properly for their own answer. Or otherwise. Freedom of choice dictates that you choose and make the decision.
No,brother,I am not fooling anybody by declaring openly to all readers here and elsewhere that the "deen" is a personal relationship between each individual and the Creator to be taken by choice and carried forward in total trust all the way to all the answers.
Then only the Creator will judge between all of us in complete fairness and justice . Here ,in this life, our sincerity and efforts are key.
Again best of luck to you in your journey.
GOD bless you.
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@Abdunur, perhaps my terminology and definitions aren't as elaborate as yours, but I agree with what you are saying.
For me, "to master emotions through the skill of reasoning" is to separate your true self from the illusion of this world thus start seeing things for what they really are, shift your will to what is true.
You have made an IF statement "if you master emotion" as you said, and this is the challenge of the will.
I have fairly enough knowledge of myself that talking adds nothing to the challenge of MY will. That's the only thing that I meant.Yes, the truer you are the closer you get to the source of all consciousness. Guidance. Which is the essence of everything. Yes yes... yes.....this is not news to me.
Can't you find a common ground and build up a fruitful discussion ? Instead of looking at subtle differences to prove others to be completely ignorant ?
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Peace Cerberus,
the very first step is to recognize your true nature, from that you can develop the skill of reasoning, no one can reason without learning the skill, the easiest method is to use the trivium, reasoning is the foundational tool to establish belief, for example does any evidence at all exist to support the idea of a god entity, the answer is always no, reason would then ask if no god what is the nature of reality.
I do not wish to come across aggressively or arrogantly, if I do it is not intentional, I am not trying to be abusive, I am simply trying to help.
The second thing to master the self is to understand and practice virtues, virtues used to be know by certain cultures but religions and hierarchy (because hierarchy removes community) remove virtues, if you master virtues you create a state of innocence of the self, and this is the goal.
I believe we have some common ground, you understand many things correctly already.
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for example does any evidence at all exist to support the idea of a god entity, the answer is always no, reason would then ask if no god what is the nature of reality.
There is not at all any evidence in support of reality either. You cannot prove existence of yourself, just like you cannot prove existence of God.
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Where do you come up with such rubbish Makaveli, I perceieve reality, reality is simple thought, in that perceptual reality no evidence of a god exists, the proof is in the reality of my own consciousness, I am aware, and interactive in perception.
now let assume you are also self aware Makaveli, in your perceptual awarness what evidence exists to show a god entity exists?
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Where does "reality" come from? What is the original cause of all that we call "reality"?
How would an animal or a tree perceive " reality"? What is consciousness? How do we know that is all there is?
GOD bless.
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Where do you come up with such rubbish Makaveli, I perceieve reality, reality is simple thought, in that perceptual reality no evidence of a god exists, the proof is in the reality of my own consciousness, I am aware, and interactive in perception.
The way you percieve reality is but your own personal world, there are no two people in the world that would percieve what they call 'reality' in the same manner. What reality do you percieve? What proves that your reality is 'real'? How can you rely on your perception? Again, what is your evidence of your own existence? How can I prove someone else that I have spoke to a person named Abdun Nur? Even if I make a screenshort of our dialogue and make a link, that is mareley a conclusive evidence, that we might accept, but that is not absolute evidence. Not to mention you are but the code on this forum, but even if I meet you in person that is not absolute in terms of your existence, which could be proven outside of our conclusive 'perception' of society.