WOMEN HEAD GARMENT
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Some men also claim to get turned on by women's face, women's voice, or even women's mere existence in the same room or at the mosque. We can't use men's subjective desires to prevent women from living normally and freely.
You can live freely with a head scarf tho. Theres nothing you cant do with hijab.
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What is wrong with having nice hair or a pleasant face or a pleasant presence, we should thank God for all beauty. There is nothing wrong with beauty. Quite the opposite. Beauty is a blessing, why should we run away from it? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?a
Why some people seem to confuse beauty with vice?
It may look not very feminist but I like beauty contests, or I used to like them before they started making the women walk like broken horses and not like human beings. I do not know whether it has got better or gone back to human walking now, but I enjoy seeing beauty, feminine or masculine, there is nothing lustful or undue about it and I see no acceptable reason to hide it as it it was something dangerous or bad.
Personally I am a bit sorry for beautiful or "attractive" women because unfortunately there are some idiots out there who act like flies and it must be hard for the women to get rid of indeed unwanted attention or presumptions, but it is up to the flies to learn to behave like human beings and not up to beauty to ask for forgiveness for being beautiful or to hide themselves under a stone.
Salaam
Salaam
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You can live freely with a head scarf tho. Theres nothing you cant do with hijab.
You might be able to do things with headscarf, but it won't always be freely. Wearing a cloth over the head and ears is unnatural because the hair has functions of insulation and protection (from UV) and the ears should not be covered for obvious sensory reasons.
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It's good to be considerate but there is a big difference between being conscious of your body and your surrounding, and acting like a lost sheep in a forest full of hungry wolves. the latter requires you to hide while the former, to cloth.
Clothes, in my opinion, have a spiritual connotation deep down. To be able to walk like you are something more than what your body naturally present itself to be, a body of a mammal that is walking on two legs. So the question is, what do we present ourselves to be when we hide such a manifest part of us ?
Animals are naked, and they have no objection. Humans, in the story of Adam & Eve used to be naked. Until they "ate from the tree" and therefore "gained certain knowledge". They immediately "covered themselves" and were consequently sent to face the test of the earthly life.
So from the very beginning we ran away from our nature.
So covering your hair and hiding it from the sight of the hungry insatiable wolves or clothing yourself in a manner you consider the most appropriate for who you see yourself to be ?
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What is wrong with having nice hair or a pleasant face or a pleasant presence, we should thank God for all beauty. There is nothing wrong with beauty. Quite the opposite. Beauty is a blessing, why should we run away from it? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?a
Why some people seem to confuse beauty with vice?
It may look not very feminist but I like beauty contests, or I used to like them before they started making the women walk like broken horses and not like human beings. I do not know whether it has got better or gone back to human walking now, but I enjoy seeing beauty, feminine or masculine, there is nothing lustful or undue about it and I see no acceptable reason to hide it as it it was something dangerous or bad.
Personally I am a bit sorry for beautiful or "attractive" women because unfortunately there are some idiots out there who act like flies and it must be hard for the women to get rid of indeed unwanted attention or presumptions, but it is up to the flies to learn to behave like human beings and not up to beauty to ask for forgiveness for being beautiful or to hide themselves under a stone.
Salaam
Salaam
Beauty pageants are bad for society. Literally nothing good about them.
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You might be able to do things with headscarf, but it won't always be freely. Wearing a cloth over the head and ears is unnatural because the hair has functions of insulation and protection (from UV) and the ears should not be covered for obvious sensory reasons.
Havent met any hijabis with hearing problems )
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I spoke to a hijabi colleague recently where I had to repeat myself across a table as she had tightly wrapped headscarf around her ears. She herself said that this was probably the cause.
Lmao either she doesnt know how to put one on or actually has hearing loss. I never have that problem.
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Indeed the ears are not designed to be covered by a garment.
But I can understand if you cover the head in case of living in an environment where you have to protect openings and skin from foreign agents.
The human being is designed to wear clothing, this is quite obvious. It does not have a natural skin protection (armor) but the skin is sensitive and easily scratched, and without clothing the body cannot maintain a correct temperature if it is not within quite narrow parameters. Suffice to say again, the human being is not designed to not wear clothing and therefore it is also unlikely that the creature is "naturally evolved". No, the species is a biologically engineered primate, made to host the human spirit.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
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Hijab does not have to look like Arabic headscarf. There are many Western alternatives which can still protect a woman while not attract attention from Islamophobes.
It can actually be challenging with a hijab in case a woman is not married and has to work in a non-Muslim country. Most would decline her job applications even as a cleaning lady in many countries. Therefore Muhhameddian women who think hijab is prescribed are FOOLED by these idiots who force the to wear an ARABIC scarf. I always try to explain it to them but they call me shaytaan /
I understand if women from Arabic descent wear hijab, but I've never understood the point of wearing one if you are from London, Belgium, Canada, Texas, Moscow and similar, i.e. you are born in the culture which has nothing to do with the Arabic.
There is one 12er shia dude posting under quranist videos. Gosh, a dude from the United States, born into the Christian family, now Shia Muslim for 18 years of something. A nice dude with Christian background but now a SHIA Muslim and the 12ver. I mean.... a dude living in the United States is thinking about the 12th caliph Mahdi who is alive and hidden for centuries rotfl rotfl rotfl
It's like me living in Europe and having nothing to do with Arabic culture thinking of myself being descendant of an Arab caliph, or actually giving a damn about their culture.
The same about hijab, why take another culture, the Arabic Muhhamedianism? If a woman should walk provocatively and her hair is super hot then indeed I believe she should take measures to look feminine while still modest without revealing the excess. I would not throw stones at her if she did not though, but I believe society in general and the male population would feel better if women could stop provocate them for a while. And the measures to cover one's hair can be quite Western without having to cover ears, like some sort of a hat or some scarf which only covers a small portion of hair etc. There are many healthy alternatives.
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I do not really have a "forcing view" of anything.
I consider every human "free"to take on their own identity,choose who to follow and what to wear.
My view is simply we should not insert our own sayings and claim GOD said this or that in the scripture.What is clear for me in the scripture is that GOD said to be "modest". So what is modesty?
Also for me, modesty means different things to different types of people according to different traditions/beliefs/climate...etc.The end result is obvious,each society/tribe/nation make their own decision and put expectancy on dress codes.
Individuals then have to comply with different dress codes to be accepted and "respected " in their societies.
Those who have broken away from "rules/traditions" or think they have ,decide their choice or follow whatever suits them.
In short the individual woman chooses for herself and wears what she feels comfortable or obliged to wear.GOD bless.
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1 Corinthians 112-16English Standard Version (ESV)
Head Coverings
2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain
the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand
that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband,
and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his
head covered dishonors his head, 5 but every wife who prays or prophesies
with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head
were shaven. 6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her
hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her
head, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since
he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man
was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created
for woman, but woman for man. 10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol
of authority on her head, because of the angels.Footnotes
a.1 Corinthians 113 Greek gun. This term may refer to a woman or
a wife, depending on the context
b.1 Corinthians 113 Greek anr. This term may refer to a man or
a husband, depending on the context
c.1 Corinthians 115 In verses 5?13, the Greek word gun is translated
wife in verses that deal with wearing a veil, a sign of being married in first-century culture
d.1 Corinthians 1110 Or messengers, that is, people sent to observe and reportCovering of the hair is not found in Quran!
peace
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I don't wear one and sometimes I wonder if I should be..
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Half of them don't have a problem with Catholic nuns covering their entire bodies in the same exact way as a sign of piety, but have an issue with Muslim women doing so?... hmm
They understand very well why a nun chooses to cover herself but cannot for any reason seem to grasp why a Muslim woman would want to do the same.
It's a clear western inspired hatred for everything derived from Arabia
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There is literally no point in wearing anything to cover your beauty unless you try to act pios (in accordance with your definition of piousness). I know women who wear hijab yet they do so mainly for aesthetic reasons, and can freely chat to any man even discuss private matters, something their husbands would not want them to say. Garment in itself is worthless.
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Modesty is something Islamic too though. Wearing decent and appropriate clothes is a good thing. Of course, that's not the only thing needed to be modest. Humbleness, actions, words etc all count towards it.
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Both can be done. One doesn't have to get rid of modest dressing to focus on character modesty or get rid of character modesty to focus on dressing. But of course, we're all humans and have our struggles.
May Allah guide us closer to the right path and help us be humble.