2:185
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Salam/Peace,
Has anyone noticed that verse 2185 is a "Pilgrimage" and not a "fasting" verse?
2185 The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who are witnessing the month shall fast therein; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.
2237 Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He has commissioned them for you, so that you may magnify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.
The "witnessing" here appears to be the witnessing of the Pilgrimage and not just the crescent moon/month
2228 So that they may witness benefits for themselves, and mention the name of God in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the quadruped livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor.
This could explain why 2185 appears to be a repetition of 2184 (whoever is ill or travelling), but lacks the third condition (those who can do so with difficulty).
From 2196 we know that there is fasting during the pilgrimage period
2196 And conclude the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then provide what offering is affordable; and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches its destination. Whoever of you is ill or has an ailment to his head, then he may redeem by fasting or giving a charity or a rite. When you are secure, then whoever enjoys the visit until the Pilgrimage, then he shall provide what offering is affordable; but for he who cannot find anything, then the fast of three days during the Pilgrimage and seven when he returns; this will make a complete ten-this is for those whose family are not residents to the Sacred Temple. And be aware of God, and know that God is severe in retribution.
Regards,
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The "witnessing" here appears to be the witnessing of the Pilgrimage and not just the crescent moon/month
Peace Layth.
One thing I don't understand is why people so easily fail to see this simple truth
shahr in 2185 is the full moon; it is not the month.The proof is also as simple
In 1 solar year there can be 13 "shahr"s like in 2015
(https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74).
If shahr were the month lasting 29.5 days, 13 would add up to 383.5 days
and would never find enough room in the solar year lasting only 365 days.So the "witnessing" in 2185
is not the witnessing of the Pilgrimage
but the witenessing of the full moon. -
If shahr were the month lasting 29.5 days, 13 would add up to 383.5 days
and would never find enough room in the solar year lasting only 365 days.Peace, plausible to use months e.g. count exactly 12 skip occasional 13th full moon between solstices.
Ramadan (lunar cycle of heat) -- 1st new month (entire moon cycle) after the 1st full moon after the summer solstice for n. hemisphere and likewise 1st new month after the 1st full moon after the winter solstice for s. hemisphere hence there are two each year.
2185 shahru/lunar cycle ramadan (heat) the one descends in it the Qur?an guidance to the humankind and clear signs from the guidance and the criterion so who witness among you l-shahra/the lunar cycle so should abstained it and who be illness of or on journey so count from days another intends the god with you the ease and not intends with you the hardship and to complete ye of the count and to magnify ye of the god on what guide you and perhaps you thanks giving
936 indeed count l-shuhri/the lunar cycles near/with the god two dual ten (12) shahran/lunar cycle of in book the god day creation the heavens and the land therein quartet urumun/prohibit such the creed the value so not thou wrong ye of in them souls yours and fight ye of the idolaters all like/as what fighted they being you all and knows ye of that the god with the righteous
Therefore revelation could occur during summer/winter...
209 and not come to you adthu/narration Moses 2010 when saw fire of so said to family his stay here ye of indeed I perceived I fire of perhaps bring you therein with heat or I find on/over the fire guidance
https//s26.postimg.org/n6bc4kpbd/ramadan.jpg
https//s26.postimg.org/dqvgrd7ah/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch27v3-16.jpg
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Peace, plausible to use months e.g. count exactly 12 skip occasional 13th full moon between solstices.
Ramadan (lunar cycle of heat) -- 1st new month (entire moon cycle) after the 1st full moon after the summer solstice for n. hemisphere and likewise 1st new month after the 1st full moon after the winter solstice for s. hemisphere hence there are two each year.
Therefore revelation could occur during summer/winter...
Peace Noon.
If Ramadan which is the time of the revelation mentioned in 2185 is the 1st lunar month after the 1st full moon after the summer solstice,
the revelation can never occur in winter
because Ramadan is tied to the summer solstice, and the time of summer solstice is fixed in summer. -
If Ramadan which is the time of the revelation mentioned in 2185 is the 1st lunar month after the 1st full moon after the summer solstice,
the revelation can never occur in winter
because Ramadan is tied to the summer solstice, and the time of summer solstice is fixed in summer.Peace brook, see my prior post during ramadan n. hemisphere it is "winter" in s. hemisphere and vice versa.
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Peace, plausible to use months e.g. count exactly 12 skip occasional 13th full moon between solstices.
The full moons
from one summer solstice
to the next-------1-----------2-------3--------4-------5--------6---------7-----------8------------9-------10------11-------12------13
28 Jun 2018-27 Jul-26 Aug-25 Sep-24 Oct-23 Nov-22 Dec-21 Jan 2019-19 Feb-21 Mar-19 Apr-19 May-17 Jun
17 Jul 2019-15 Aug-14 Sep-14 Ocat-12 Nov-12 Dec-10 Jan 2020-09 Feb-09 Mar-08 Apr-07 May-05 JunWhat do we get when we skip the 13th full moon (17 June 2019)?
What is more,
who gives us the right to remove it from where it is... as if we could
or who gives us the right to skip it AS iF we could?I say as if
because we do not have hands to reach up to the skies where the 13th full moon is
and remove it from where it is or leave it where it is (skip it), do we? -
What do we get when we skip the 13th full moon (17 June 2019)?
What is more,
who gives us the right to remove it from where it is... as if we could
or who gives us the right to skip it AS iF we could?It says to count 12 -- likewise why do you skip count occasional 13th full moon?
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It says to count 12 -- likewise why do you skip count occasional 13th full moon?
No, what God says is not a command,
it is a statement
"the number of full moons is 12 full moons" - ... .However,
God does not say that the number of full moons is NOT 13,
just as He does not say that the moon comes from the east
although He says the sun comes from the east (225.Does He have to say that the moon also comes from the east?
Does He have to say the number is occasionally 13 as you put it?likewise why do you skip count occasional 13th full moon?
I never do. I never attempt to skip it
because I know I can not skip it
as I have no hands to reach up to skies where it is. -
No, what God says is not a command,
it is a statement
"the number of full moons is 12 full moons" - ... .I never do. I never attempt to skip it
because I know I can not skip it
as I have no hands to reach up to skies where it is.2185 and to complete ye of l-idata/the count
936 indeed iddata/count l-shuhri
937 to adjust iddata/count
don't "count" menses case of divorce without consummation.
3349 iddatin/count tataddnah/concerning count its
we know 13 full moons can occur between solstices which you have to "count" 12 skip 13th.
peace!
