Traditionnalists are so funny
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Exactly, most of them are doing good deeds or what they think are good deeds only because they want something in return. Sunnis by which I'm surrounded always talk about paradise and especially houris. Thus, while they claim to be attached to god, they are in truth no different from materialistic atheists which they despise so much in that they only try to gain as much ''hassanats'' as possible in order to be able to purchase paradise. You see them merely uttering sentences all the time like parrots, thinking that saying those will get them rewarded. Even reading the quran was turned into a ritual as they say for each letter you read you gain one hassana, so for these people the quran is only to be read not pondered upon. It's all about scoring points.
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Exactly, most of them are doing good deeds or what they think are good deeds only because they want something in return. Sunnis by which I'm surrounded always talk about paradise and especially houris. Thus, while they claim to be attached to god, they are in truth no different from materialistic atheists which they despise so much in that they only try to gain as much ''hassanats'' as possible in order to be able to purchase paradise. You see them merely uttering sentences all the time like parrots, thinking that saying those will get them rewarded. Even reading the quran was turned into a ritual as they say for each letter you read you gain one hassana, so for these people the quran is only to be read not pondered upon. It's all about scoring points.
When you mentioned Houries this video came into my mind https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHnkQwb3ZQ
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When your power gauge is full you can do the most fatal special attack pray in Makkah, this would multiply your prayer by 100 000 so now your prayer is several million times better rotfl rotfl rotfl. Wait till the 27th night of ramadhan and its an insta kill rotfl rotfl rotfl
Its very funny when you think about it, but this is the sad reality of the so-called muslims all over the globe brickwall brickwall brickwall...I do confirm on what you said above are truly exist within the mindset of most Muslims.
Yet I always wondered on the 'how' and 'why' question...
Why did they invented such (ridiculous) "reward multiplier bonus"... and how or specifically from whom did they get such inspiration from? None of such mindset exist within Judaism which supposed to be their root / 'role mode' of religion...Having said that.. such 'complex and compounding reward multiplier' does prove how 'advanced' Islamic society was during 8th - 10th century.. (the era where the religion of Islam was formalized, organized, standardized and formally enforced by political power).. They're already very advanced in Mathematics... thus everyone up until today label that specific branch of math as "Al-Gebra"..
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When you mentioned Houries this video came into my mind https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHnkQwb3ZQ
Yeah this interpretation is not new either and although it provides us with a useful insight into the concept of houris, I'm not totally convinced since we have to consider how the Arabs back then would have interpreted the verses in question. Going for the root isn't always the way. While I can't say for sure whether houris are indeed women or not, my objection wasn't in itself regarding the possibility of having women in paradise, it had more to do with the fact that ''muslims'' especially young ones of today are often only focused on them and other rewards.
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I do confirm on what you said above are truly exist within the mindset of most Muslims.
Yet I always wondered on the 'how' and 'why' question...
Why did they invented such (ridiculous) "reward multiplier bonus"... and how or specifically from whom did they get such inspiration from? None of such mindset exist within Judaism which supposed to be their root / 'role mode' of religion...Having said that.. such 'complex and compounding reward multiplier' does prove how 'advanced' Islamic society was during 8th - 10th century.. (the era where the religion of Islam was formalized, organized, standardized and formally enforced by political power).. They're already very advanced in Mathematics... thus everyone up until today label that specific branch of math as "Al-Gebra"..
The whole notion of sunnah of the prophet, an unprecedented notion since ''previous religions'' didn't regard ''their'' prophets as idols they should imitate in every situation, probably also contributed to this quantification of deeds for it has led to a multiplication of actions considered as rewardable (for example, even growing a beard makes you earn ''hassanats'' according to them rotfl, hence the need to come up with a ranking system for good deeds.
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With all your bashing against Sunni, Shia sects etc..ye have also pretty much become a sect in that you ridicule others rather than amicably calling them to the purest way and you divide yourselves and make a distinction between yourselves.
Yet you reserve little to no bashing for the traditionalists of Christianity, Judaism etc...
Your response need not to be bashing, ridicule or hatred, but rather, reconciliation and bridging the gaps among those who have recognized Muhammad as a true Prophet.
With all honesty traditionalists are not as bad as the wicked filthy murderous Qabbalistic imposterous Jews in Palestine, Zionist hypocritical Christians all over the world and Satanic Catholic Church minions who wage war and cause curroption in the land.
Have they lost their seen and cut off their ties of kinship? Yes
But they're not running around every corner of the earth inciting war and enslaving people and condoning homosexuality, promiscuity as "democracy" or institutionalizing usury as western civilization.
So chill with all that selective bashing and think how you can rather consolidate everyone under the umbrella, cuz what you're doing is inciting and instigating sect mentality
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With all your bashing against Sunni, Shia sects etc..ye have also pretty much become a sect in that you ridicule others rather than amicably calling them to the purest way and you divide yourselves and make a distinction between yourselves.
Yet you reserve little to no bashing for the traditionalists of Christianity, Judaism etc...
Your response need not to be bashing, ridicule or hatred, but rather, reconciliation and bridging the gaps among those who have recognized Muhammad as a true Prophet.
With all honesty traditionalists are not as bad as the wicked filthy murderous Qabbalistic imposterous Jews in Palestine, Zionist hypocritical Christians all over the world and Satanic Catholic Church minions who wage war and cause curroption in the land.
Have they lost their seen and cut off their ties of kinship? Yes
But they're not running around every corner of the earth inciting war and enslaving people and condoning homosexuality, promiscuity as "democracy" or institutionalizing usury as western civilization.
So chill with all that selective bashing and think how you can rather consolidate everyone under the umbrella, cuz what you're doing is inciting and instigating sect mentality
I agree with HP_TECH that many times here we spend too much energy in bashing the "devil" sunnis or chia or trditional Muslims and, what I think is even worse, lump them all of them together as if they were some monolitic block of darkness and evil.
I think it is quite legitimate to diagnostic and point out the failures of those who profess to be Muslims and who also with that claim may do a disservice to the religion of God and His revelations. On the other hand, some times it looks as ifwe were in a contest of who bashes better and more, there is always a balance, or there can be, between pointing out truths, unpleasant truths, and not overdoing it or turn it into a bashing party which on top of it we might even enjoy.
And regarding world events I fully agree with HP, it is not them, "traditional Muslims" (whatever that means) who are the cause of the way the world is going particularly in many Muslims lands, although some few thos "Muslims" are being used by the Imperials like thrash to carry out geopolitical aims that are evil and destroy many countries one after the other.
In fact many muslim countries were in the way of renewal and were stopped throught he actions of the Imperials, which instead of that, pushed through their agendas of fanaticism and intolerance trying to turn every muslim country into backward, brainless societies to better neutralise and destroy them.
I have met bad "traditional Muslims", but I have also met and known many, many good willed, sincere people amonst them and that in spite of all the venom and trials thrown upon them.
On the other hand, I am sure also that we all have known people in non muslim societies who have also gone through very hard trials in their own environment even though not caused by sunni, shia, or "traditional "Muslims". That is, people are always people and each person is people and not a monolitic block with a label.
And also particularly neither a "qura'nist" label turns a person into a good sincere person. That, I am sorry, each of us has to earn for him or herself through his or her own efforts and sencere and honest behaviour.
Salaam
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HP_TECH ,brother you are seeing the light? I am glad to see some "love thy neighbour" in you. Good on you.
I also agree sister huruf and consolidate your view,Quote
And also particularly neither a "qura'nist" label turns a person into a good sincere person. That, I am sorry, each of us has to earn for him or herself through his or her own efforts and sincere and honest behaviour.And love any good peaceful person,religion has nothing to do with social interaction and demolishing barriers between people!!!! All people deserve a chance ,like we want to be given a chance .
GOD bless.
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They make me laugh big time by how thay have an understanding of the deen that is reminescent of some kind of video game. They have ritualized everything to the extent that every action is quantified making the whole thing look like a video game combo brickwall. For example, praying in congregation after using the miswak makes your prayer 27x70=1890 times better !!! Make sure to beat your high score next time by praying on the first row rotfl . When your power gauge is full you can do the most fatal special attack pray in Makkah, this would multiply your prayer by 100 000 so now your prayer is several million times better rotfl rotfl rotfl. Wait till the 27th night of ramadhan and its an insta kill rotfl rotfl rotfl
Its very funny when you think about it, but this is the sad reality of the so-called muslims all over the globe brickwall brickwall brickwall...Thank God, I am not the only one who was thinking about our past sectarian religion like this
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Back in the days, I didn't have the courage to talk about this.With all your bashing against Sunni, Shia sects etc..ye have also pretty much become a sect in that you ridicule others rather than amicably calling them to the purest way and you divide yourselves and make a distinction between yourselves.
Your response need not to be bashing, ridicule or hatred, but rather, reconciliation and bridging the gaps among those who have recognized Muhammad as a true Prophet.
He is bashing the mullahs. Average sectarians don't have the power to make anything in the religion. They just fall for such scams and then end up with bad consequences. I know several people who now need surgery to fix their injured knees because of lengthy prayers they were doing to earn coins/points. You know they burn people's ears by complaining about that and still they don't want anyone to say anything about their prolonged prayers.
One woman turned us into her house keepers every time she weakened her knees by praying like that. It is not fun to walk around with someone's 15 pound laundry basket.
Yet you reserve little to no bashing for the traditionalists of Christianity, Judaism etc...
With all honesty traditionalists are not as bad as the wicked filthy murderous Qabbalistic imposterous Jews in Palestine, Zionist hypocritical Christians all over the world and Satanic Catholic Church minions who wage war and cause curroption in the land.
Have they lost their seen and cut off their ties of kinship? Yes
But they're not running around every corner of the earth inciting war and enslaving people and condoning homosexuality, promiscuity as "democracy" or institutionalizing usury as western civilization.
So chill with all that selective bashing and think how you can rather consolidate everyone under the umbrella, cuz what you're doing is inciting and instigating sect mentality
There has been christian and Jew bashing also. Same is true for Quran followers. Just search the forum.
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With all your bashing against Sunni, Shia sects etc..ye have also pretty much become a sect in that you ridicule others rather than amicably calling them to the purest way and you divide yourselves and make a distinction between yourselves.
Yet you reserve little to no bashing for the traditionalists of Christianity, Judaism etc...
Your response need not to be bashing, ridicule or hatred, but rather, reconciliation and bridging the gaps among those who have recognized Muhammad as a true Prophet.
With all honesty traditionalists are not as bad as the wicked filthy murderous Qabbalistic imposterous Jews in Palestine, Zionist hypocritical Christians all over the world and Satanic Catholic Church minions who wage war and cause curroption in the land.
Have they lost their seen and cut off their ties of kinship? Yes
But they're not running around every corner of the earth inciting war and enslaving people and condoning homosexuality, promiscuity as "democracy" or institutionalizing usury as western civilization.
So chill with all that selective bashing and think how you can rather consolidate everyone under the umbrella, cuz what you're doing is inciting and instigating sect mentality
Hamas is nothing better. If they wanted the two state solution they would get it, but I believe they just don't want to rule the country themselves and want to rely on international support instead. I talk to mohhamedians every day, all they can is curse and threat me. Most of them, like 99.9% of them.
And it is a 5 year old logic to find other bad guys when in fact the problem is yours. Imagine there are two kids talking during the class. The teacher makes a remark to one of them. That pupil starts by telling that the teacher is wrong and unjust because his mate was also talking not just him. That is infantile.
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Hamas is nothing better. If they wanted the two state solution they would get it, but I believe they just don't want to rule the country themselves and want to rely on international support instead. I talk to mohhamedians every day, all they can is curse and threat me. Most of them, like 99.9% of them.
And it is a 5 year old logic to find other bad guys when in fact the problem is yours. Imagine there are two kids talking during the class. The teacher makes a remark to one of them. That pupil starts by telling that the teacher is wrong and unjust because his mate was also talking not just him. That is infantile.
This is the peak of hypocrisy.
Hamas dis not creat the sqatting state of Israel. Came much later propitiated precisely by the sqwat state.
Your view really clears a lotabout yourself, although as a view on the Genocide of Palestinians of course whitewashes the criminals.
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This is the peak of hypocrisy.
Hamas dis not creat the sqatting state of Israel. Came much later propitiated precisely by the sqwat state.
Your view really clears a lotabout yourself, although as a view on the Genocide of Palestinians of course whitewashes the criminals.
Thank you for the hypocrite. Look, I am against genocide of any nation be it our Muslim brothers and sisters or anyone else. But if you take closer look at what Hamas is, its history, its current political practices you will see there is politics behind everything, and these politics are not in support of ordinary Palestinians.
It is always better to look at yourself, your own actions. Yeah, Israel is pain in the ass, but why provoke the beast? Do no harm is also about do not strike back or do not hate. Israel will fall once Muslims will realize it.
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It is all twoo well researched, not only by me but by every international organisation and every honest person, including many honest Jews who also vomit with it.
Of course I do not take your word for it. I never would, but just don't kid yourself that you cheat anybody with such antics, beyond those that choose to be cheated.
Not that I am surprised by your behaviour.
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It is all twoo well researched, not only by me but by every international organisation and every honest person, including many honest Jews who also vomit with it.
Of course I do not take your word for it. I never would, but just don't kid yourself that you cheat anybody with such antics, beyond those that choose to be cheated.
Not that I am surprised by your behaviour.
All I can say is...assalamun'allaikum. -X -\
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Brilliantly put HT_TECH
