Abortion?
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"Fitrata Al Naas Allati Fatara Al Naass Alaiha" GOD has given men and women different responsibilities. Trust women folks. The great majority of women know what they are doing with what is inside them. They are not murderers!!!!
Let GOD be the judge of all His "Nass".Has he asked you to judge/ punish abortion in His message?
GOD bless.
Peace.Good post good logic,
Trust women, that is the question. That is what God does and therefore He has nto put a ruler over women to prohibit them this or that but He Himself deals with them. Nobody is entitled to rule the body of women. It is God's, not public property and the ruler of the body of women ont hsi earth is the woman, no the State, not any man not any other woman. If they do wrong or right they will answer to God.
But the iblees men and women of fire want to rule women suerpseding God. Humanity is in in no danger of dissapearance becuse of abortion. In fact, a universal complain is that we are too many that we are ruining the planet etc. etc.. The way with women is distrust and through distruat the entitlement to order thema round and rule them as if they were nto the direct servnts of God, not of the whims of society nor any of its members.
This distrust this satanic pride of overlording women is so gainst God, so ugly an disgusting, so distructive...
Antiabortionists are not worried about the "children" aborted, there are many who are so because of miscarriage, they do not get the general so "pious" feelings and treatment of dead children and nobody worries about them by they one week, or six months, but all this alrma, the throwing up the arms in horror is for the sake of reigning in women. Never antiabortion drives have saved lives, they have caused the opposite, even if unworthy lives like those of many women.
It is an exercise in hypocrisy. If there was so much interest in preventing abortions, women would be pampered like kings to have them bring their children into the world. Is that the way it happens? It is so hypocritical, so repulsive this exercise in virtue at the expense of others, mostly defenceless.
Antiabortionists do not aim to save lives, but to make hell the lives of others. They should put their money where their mouths are, but like with so many things, talking is cheap, and talking about what others should do cheapest and dangerless and riskless than anything and the feeling of power it gives is so great... Iblees, all right.
Salaam
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sunUh..that comment was from 5 years ago.
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What about unfortunate"miscarriages"? Is that murder by someone or something?
Peace, unlike hitting pregnant woman with a hammer there?s no intent so of course not.
To get woman pregnant or "knocked up" Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane
He made her to be the mother of children.
He made the girl to be the mother of a child.
He rendered her pregnant; got her with child.A child, son, daughter, youngling, or young one; and children, sons, daughters, offspring, young, or younglings; of any kind
347 said (f) lord whence being to me child (in context fetus) and not touched me human said like such the god created what willed when decree directive of so merely speaketh to it be so being
Inheritance example man leaves a pregnant wife gender unknown until birth impacts distributions.
412 ? so if be for you child (born/unborn) so to them the eight from what left you from after instruction/behest thou making in it or dept
1731 and not thou slay ye of (literally and/or metaphorically) children (born/unborn) yours fright pauperism we we provision them and that you if slew them be fault of great of 1732 and not approach ye of l-zin indeed it be fishatan/immorality and an evil path of 1733 and not thou slay ye of l-nafsa/the soul the one prohibit the god except in the right and who slew unjust of so verily made we of to heir his authority of so not exceed (heir shouldn?t take retribution on the perpetrator equally) in the slay indeed he be helped of 1734 and not approach ye of wealth the orphan except in which it is very best until reached vigor his and fulfil ye of in the covenant indeed the covenant be questioned of 1735 and fulfil ye of the measure when measure you and weigh ye of with the balance the straight such better and very best elucidation of
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sun?Oh yes! That is nonoews we all know and assume that, but what is unsaid is that many particularly men who say that assume that when the question is about women they are the overseers in the name of God, they are the meintermediaries between women and God. That is not said, and that is what is done and assume. So not su much genius in the answer, plain opportunism.
No intermediaries between God and woman. If men do not want abortions they just should keep off women. That is, they should oversee themselves and not trespass on God's will and relation to other people.
Very handy naming God for some Iblees errands, like abortion, imperialesm, terrorism, etc. That is taking the name of God in vain. You should remind the men of it when they visit whorehouses and similar male activities. Arent' they owned by god? the men Imean, not the whorehouses.
Or is it that some people don't live int he real world and don't have women in their family nor women acquaintaces or friends and therefore know nothing of the real world, and not the picture world for their satisfation and pleasure? Or are theyjust parading without caring for anything else?
Or is it men who are sabing the world from extinction?
Ungratefulness and pride are two great virtues carry on with them.
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hypno
I didn't look at the time stamp smh
Free the homie Hicham!! elektro
Wha happened to him?
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Wha happened to him?
He was banned
But honestly he was one of the illest, really one of the realest
no lie he advocated the paradigm of truth, do you feel this?
The earth as a plane and the sky as a canopy structure
But most of you brothers won't believe till its rupture
Pretend you are straight but your backs have no posture
Pretend you are believers but to me you're imposters -
He was banned
But honestly he was one of the illest, really one of the realest
no lie he advocated the paradigm of truth, do you feel this?
The earth as a plane and the sky as a canopy structure
But most of you brothers won't believe till its rupture
Pretend you are straight but your backs have no posture
Pretend you are believers but to me you're impostersWhy was he banned?
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It looks like society isn't ready to give women full authority over their ability to give birth. And giving birth is mainly what women have been providing to societies. It is this giving birth that women are naturally responsible of that made them in the position they long held (inside houses, breastfeeding) while men used their natural ability to go out there and labor and seek means to feed themselves and families. This going out is also what exposed men to positions of power through the exercise of activities such as politics. Therefore men ruled over women men & women.
This is the result of men and women initially doing what they were naturally able to do that led to the birth of a patriarchal society. But you cannot blame men for that.
Also, men and women are equal in terms of existing in this earth and enduring the earthly test. i.e equal in terms of being a soul behind the scenes. But in their earthly "abilities" they are quite different.
Only recently, when women have started to disregard their ability to give birth, and motherhood in general, that they started to rub shoulders with men in work environments and positions of power and thus giving away the impression that men and women are equal.
But you cannot say men and women are equal (in their tasks) if you take in consideration the immense particularity and weight of giving birth, and the society that says so is the hypocritical one specially if it does not give women full authority over their ability to (not) give birth.
So, depending on that, a society that wants to take part in the process of giving birth should also take full responsibility in case of rapes, pregnancy complications etc. Otherwise bringing down the "holiness" and value of giving birth should be enough to make that decision totally up to the woman.
This holiness is what made women for a long time stay in their parents' home and only leave it for their husbands' home, and possibly stay there too to raise their children. There was and still is religious interest in this part of women as well. just like society's interest in this part of women.
All I can say is that some strong arguments need to be put forth in order to justify or refute abortion. I'm just brainstorming.
I also want to highlight the contrast between women being physically weaker in strength and the fact that they can give birth to life. Meaning, a woman going outside in nature has barely any mean to defend herself against a male aggressor. She's also more likely to die of injuries due to her physically weaker nature.
With that, a woman in a dangerous position is gambling with a lot. She puts not only herself but her ability to give birth as well in the hand of someone else.But men and women have different intuitions, and women have a worrying intuition that makes up for their lack of a defense mechanism. They can anticipate danger and assess it a lot more effectively than men would.
Women also choose their mating partner based on their effectiveness (in nature it is strength whereas in a human society it is basically "how much successful they seem to be".
My point is there is a dynamic between men and women that keeps each one in need of the other.
Problem arise when you have each going their own way and disregarding the other, and disregarding their nature.Now a woman who knows herself knows her worth. Women are not like men and they would risk A LOT if they put themselves in dangerous situations where their ability of giving birth could be usurped.
In cases of women getting drunk, or women miscalculating, or unwanted pregnancy due to some accident during sex or whatever. I don't think any of these justifies abortion. What happens happens and they should deal with the situation responsibly.
In cases of rape, the tragedy is the rape while the pregnancy is the consequence. This consequence will have to be dealt with knowing that two wrongs don't make a right. I think the woman should still give birth.
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Well, a woman may not have the physical requisites to build heavier muscles, but that does not mean her body cannot be trained and she can be good at defense such as martial arts and she can wear close combat weaponry or handguns up to light machine guns, so it is unkind and inaccurate to say a woman is defenseless. And like I wrote, she can train the body and can acquire muscles even if not as explosive as a man's, but in combat the fight is not only about strength but also agility and a woman's slender body can be adapted to excel at that.
However untrained, an untrained man may take her down because he is naturally slightly more explosive in muscle strength and may weigh more. It happens also that many women do not fight back because they are frightened, but that is not exclusive to women but if a man is assaulted he may also cower in fear.
Please refrain from writing in a way as if women are helpless because they are not. Much of the helplessness is indoctrinated by our societies.
Trust me, if we drilled girls like we drilled men to be tough and told them it is not okay to be weak then she would be just as fierce as a man. But if we hand her dolls and are always so protective of her then this is who she will be. Women have a nature of caring, but in between that much behavior is learned.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Yes a woman should be God, all powerful, all able, all srong, all...
But treated as a salave. She is the one who can bring a new being into life? Then she should be the slave of socity eben while expecting that she has all the virtues and abilities of God.
That is the mood. You are really gone overboard. May God help us.
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God has ordered men to be qawwamun for women, that is to help them a sustain them, because women bear the children have such a burden, but no, it is not for that that thy are there. They are there to oversee that she does what they want her to do never mind that she gets sustainment and help or on the opposite that she gets raped and exploited like cows to produce regardless of anything else she may experience or feel.
Do you think God will not bring you to book.
Why all tha gushy feeling sfor unborn embyos don't you emly it on preventing men from raping, from going to brothels where of course they go there to propagate life not to use another human being as a sewer. No you do what cowards do,lenient with those to difficult to confront and pound on those that cannot put up a big fight, like raped women or other women in situations of vulnera bility which are many. That is much easier and the rewards are immidiate and feel so good. You are so moral, so protective of embroys while you do that difending the from those women wrtches which are de devil.
?Qawwamun? What was God thinking of when He came up with that? You are not there for them, you are there to ound on them and order them around.
Imose on others what you would not do yourself. Great. Wonderful. Long live anything that might be insde the body of a woman and down with women, they are just containers for the pleasure of men and for them to hav young peole to care for them when they are old, but women themselves are just an instrument.
Where are Quranists any better than traditionnalists? What I am reading in this thread is so disgusting that I am surprised anybody here still has any feeling of superiority ovr othrs who may not be so clever.
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Why should a raped woman not be allowed to abort the pregnancy? It is not like she gave permission to use her womb for the impregnation and why should she need to care for this child which came into life through evil? Perhaps you wish to torture and put the blame on her?
And many of you agree to ending the lives of domestic animals and a human fetus is not more evolved than one of those at that stage.
A child comes into the world because man and woman agreed to this and will care for the child wholeheartedly.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Let us also not forget GOD in all this;
GOD knows what every woman carries and who gets born. What about unfortunate"miscarriages"? Is that murder by someone or something?GOD also has made the "instinct" of the mother a very strong and deep love towards what she will give birth to? Under normal circumstances no mother will wish to part with her child!!!!
I sometimes pity men,they find all sorts of excuses for themselves and honor in what they do even when they murder grown ups,yet will
not trust mothers with what is "part of their flesh" ,their own child that they have suffered and risked their life for to bring to this world?
Do men know their responsibilities and women do not?"Fitrata Al Naas Allati Fatara Al Naass Alaiha" GOD has given men and women different responsibilities. Trust women folks. The great majority of women know what they are doing with what is inside them. They are not murderers!!!!
Let GOD be the judge of all His "Nass".Has he asked you to judge/ punish abortion in His message?
GOD bless.
Peace.I quote again this post of good logic, because it is the one that more properly reflects the Qur'an.
The distrust of women is the distrust of God. God made women and made them autnonomous and gave no right to anybody to dispose of their bodies.
God gave the trust of life to women. Usurping that trust is rebelion, clear rebelion to God. Of hou they use their trust women will respond to God, not to men or other women. God know what He does. Usruping God's authority is rebelion against Him. Got that?
Salaam
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Why should a raped woman not be allowed to abort the pregnancy? It is not like she gave permission to use her womb for the impregnation and why should she need to care for this child which came into life through evil? Perhaps you wish to torture and put the blame on her?
And many of you agree to ending the lives of domestic animals and a human fetus is not more evolved than one of those at that stage.
A child comes into the world because man and woman agreed to this and will care for the child wholeheartedly.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelAlso, it is less cruel to kill a fetus, in my opinion, than let him be born and leave it in the orphanage or in the garbage bin as some do.
But I am interested to know more about the issue of ruh and nafs. Is ruh in the human by default since it starts forming in the womb or acquired later?
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Well, a woman may not have the physical requisites to build heavier muscles, but that does not mean her body cannot be trained and she can be good at defense such as martial arts and she can wear close combat weaponry or handguns up to light machine guns, so it is unkind and inaccurate to say a woman is defenseless. And like I wrote, she can train the body and can acquire muscles even if not as explosive as a man's, but in combat the fight is not only about strength but also agility and a woman's slender body can be adapted to excel at that.
However untrained, an untrained man may take her down because he is naturally slightly more explosive in muscle strength and may weigh more. It happens also that many women do not fight back because they are frightened, but that is not exclusive to women but if a man is assaulted he may also cower in fear.
Please refrain from writing in a way as if women are helpless because they are not. Much of the helplessness is indoctrinated by our societies.
Trust me, if we drilled girls like we drilled men to be tough and told them it is not okay to be weak then she would be just as fierce as a man. But if we hand her dolls and are always so protective of her then this is who she will be. Women have a nature of caring, but in between that much behavior is learned.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelFirst of all, I don't think anyone should refrain from saying what they think. It's just thoughts than can be improved with good debates (something this forum lacks a lot from the reactions I see from the same people). This kind of progressivism can't even handle different opinions and it prefers to sanction people. A lot can be achieved with a good discussion.
That being said, my point wasn't that women are helpless.
Women mature a lot earlier than men. They gain this intuition of worrying and assessing danger a lot earlier and this among many things makes up for their lack of "muscles".
Yes, they can build muscles, but men are naturally made for labor, hence the muscles. Women are not necessarily. Yes you can train women to do MMA or even turn them into walking terminators so that they can kill entire armies. Sure. But that's not my point.There is, in my opinion, a sort of ying yang between men and women, what women don't have men have and vice versa. Men and women should work more in this direction rather than forcing men/women to have what they naturally didn't have for the sole purpose to make them look EQUAL. They are not. They are different. And they shouldn't be compared on a hierarchical perspective. Society does that. And people do that specially since one of the major topics of gender equality is the gender equality in the work place.
Now back to the initial subject. My point is that the first thing to clear out is that women's primary physical asset is their ability to give birth and motherhood. They should understand that and be more careful not to go through risky situations where they risk a lot more than a man would.
I'm saying this because a huge part of women seeking abortion were initially being irresponsible regarding their "motherhood" and ability to give birth. Statistically speaking " The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). "
Such cases, like miscalculations and failed contraceptives, the quickest fix is an abortion but is getting pregnant should be that easy in the first place ? to get rid of its result that quickly, I guess it depends how you view pregnancy. If you think it is a mundane thing that happens regularly then abortion should also seem mundane. However I don't think so.
For cases such as rape, a lot of what happens to us we did not ask for, and it is beyond me to say why it happened, and I find the rape itself being the tragedy. But no tragedy means the end of life, anyone can go through a terrible event and life still goes on. I think it is preferable that no life is ended. We never know what that child could become.
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When is the nafs formed according to the Qur'an? 3 months? 3-6 months?
Peace, nafsin is there from the start...
396 creation yours from nafsin single furthermore made from it spouse its (cell division) and descends for you from l-anmi/the living things (likely embryonic stem cells) octet spouses (i.e. 4 x 2 pairs) created you in interior body mothers yours creation of from after creation in darknesses three such yours the god lord yours for him the control/sovereignty not deity except he so how thou turning
But I am interested to know more about the issue of ruh and nafs. Is ruh in the human by default since it starts forming in the womb or acquired later?
we are given little on l-ru cannot speculate...
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