WOMEN HEAD GARMENT
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What is meant by "modesty"?
Humility? Discretion? What, exactly?
Whatever it is it cannot be a matter of clothing, but a matter of attitude. And as long as we behave bearing in mind the evil that might arise in others and not our our sense of self respect, no clothing is going to do a damned thing for us or for anybody else.
Clothing does not make us, we make clothing and it is not the foremost consideration, except where our bodily comfort and satisfation with ourselves is concerned, as the Qur'an well says. We don't have to dress starting from the point of view that every male is a pig. If we pander to that we demean ourselves and we demean all males and malehood. They are not pigs except that we do encourage them to be so by suspecting always the worst. It is a filthy and suspicious idea of males.
We just have to be ourselves, not some device to tame "poor wild malehood". Unless we really feel that we are harlots and should hide it.
Salaam
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What is the point of sincerity and uprightness if they cannot be put in to practice?
Yes clothing alone does not amount to righteousness, but modesty is not merely an abstract concept.
<if it is not put into practice then it is not sincerity and it is not uprightness. And of course no virtue is an abstract concept, but clothes are not modest or upright or sincere it is people who are all those things.
And again< what is modesty humility, discretion, what exactly?
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So we can do the following
1- "Fakharaja Ala Quawmihi Fi ZINATIHI- Go out to dazzle,show off in expensive clothes...etc
2- Go out to seduce and show yourself to attract male/female. In clothes that are seductive.
3- "Khudu ZINATAKUM". dress nicely -huruf here comes the word- modestly ( to me it means follow your instinct and ask your mirror or a true friend how you look in clothes that feel comfortable for you and appropriate) .Everyone has an intuition about what to wear according to their society.
Oh,if you choose wisely,dress your mind with "taqwa" at the same time and "lower your gaze on others.
Your choice.
GOD bless.
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It's not just about "not attracting males". Even many decently dressed women get picked on by dirty men.
So it's also about respecting yourself and being decent. Simple.
It's also mentioned in the Qur'an, for example, that women should cover their chests. So there is obviously some kind of criteria for decent/modest dressing.
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It's not just about "not attracting males". Even many decently dressed women get picked on by dirty men.
So it's also about respecting yourself and being decent. Simple.
It's also mentioned in the Qur'an, for example, that women should cover their chests. So there is obviously some kind of criteria for decent/modest dressing.
I doubt that the recomendation in 24.31 are about modesty. About modesty, if it is omething to do with sexual temptation I think it is in 24.30 and in the beginning of 24.31. the rest of 24.31 is not about sexual temptation, and the part abut the chest may well be for the ame reasons that pig is forbidden, health question, because obviously to suckle a child you have to uncover chest. Unless we are seduced by modern sense of "decorum", where you can show off your chest be it keeping it covered or uncovered but you are scorned if you do not hide to suckle a child.
Covered or uncovered is no sinonym of decency or "modesty", or a sinonyme of the opposite, whatever is meant by modesty, because as yet nobody has given a difinition or a distinction from other properties.
Salaam
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Im just saying if you know you know you have nice hair..get compliments often, unwanted attention etc
And what do we do about the following
Voice
Writing style
Behavior
Eyes
Physical Actions such as giving charity
OpinionsAll of them contribute to sex appeal. I have yet to see a guy compliment hair unless he is a date and the thing should be pretty random.
Men usually look at the eyes first.
you should do what you can to prevent fitnah.
That's sexist. It is wrong to judge a stranger to be some sort of criminal (aka rapist) just like that. Not different from the idea that a hijabi is a potential terrorist.
How do prostitutes who use niqab and hijab to remain undetected prevent fitnah?
It's not just about "not attracting males". Even many decently dressed women get picked on by dirty men.
And there is anti sexual harassment policy to prevent those dirty men from getting away.
So it's also about respecting yourself and being decent. Simple.
But wait, if a man picks on me then it is my fault and that I do not respect myself?
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I have yet to see a guy compliment hair unless he is a date and the thing should be pretty random.
Men usually look at the eyes first.
Well I got compliments on hair from random guys. Hair is def important and it's up to the reader to decide if it's part of their adornment that should be covered.
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I doubt that the recomendation in 24.31 are about modesty. About modesty, if it is omething to do with sexual temptation I think it is in 24.30 and in the beginning of 24.31. the rest of 24.31 is not about sexual temptation, and the part abut the chest may well be for the ame reasons that pig is forbidden, health question, because obviously to suckle a child you have to uncover chest. Unless we are seduced by modern sense of "decorum", where you can show off your chest be it keeping it covered or uncovered but you are scorned if you do not hide to suckle a child.
Covered or uncovered is no sinonym of decency or "modesty", or a sinonyme of the opposite, whatever is meant by modesty, because as yet nobody has given a difinition or a distinction from other properties.
Salaam
That's your opinion. I believe clothing to be a part of decency and I feel that modest dressing is in line with Islam.
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But wait, if a man picks on me then it is my fault and that I do not respect myself?
A man is supposed to be in control of himself and be modest even if women around him are wearing bikinis. Women are sometimes (or often) blamed for rape because of their clothing. This victim blaming is completely wrong.
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I think women with long pretty hair should wear hijab especially if they're getting compliments from men..
It's not the hair most men are after. hmm
Covering of the hair is not found in Quran!
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It's not the hair most men are after. hmm
Still, dont think too many would go after a bald woman.
Covering of the hair is not found in Quran!
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Didn't say it was but dressing modestly is and for some that includes headscarf.
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A man is supposed to be in control of himself and be modest even if women around him are wearing bikinis. Women are sometimes (or often) blamed for rape because of their clothing. This victim blaming is completely wrong.
What you do, how you dress, is for God. And yourself.I agree. Both should dress properly. Technically, a woman can be blamed for a rape only if it is always known that the place where this crime occurs has a history of that. Fraternity parties would fall under that.
I do see the analogy of bikinis being used by the hijabis. Unfortunately, we are against that piece of cloth also. Plus that's a beachwear.
Well I got compliments on hair from random guys. Hair is def important and it's up to the reader to decide if it's part of their adornment that should be covered.
Hair itself is a covering. But just like Huruf, I would like to know what's wrong with such compliments and how they all translate to something sexual?
If someone covers after your dad gives such compliments, will that mean he had something ill in his mind about her? And what to do for the following?
Voice
Writing style
Behavior
Eyes
Physical Actions such as giving charity
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Peace hawk.
Your post made me smile. Thank you.
Bald women,there must be few of them
Doctor, Doctor my hair keeps falling out, can you give me anything to keep it in? Yes, here is a paper bagWhy did the bald woman go outside? To get some fresh hair!
Janet came home from school and asked her mother if the aerosol spray in the kitchen was hair lacquer. "No," said Mom. "It's glue."
"I thought so," said Janet. "I wondered why I lost my hair when I took my hat off today."See brother,there are some . The following advice does not help them either
How can you avoid falling hair? Get out of the way.
Sorry guys ,ignore me. Apologies for the off topic.
GOD bless you.
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Hair itself is a covering. But just like Huruf, I would like to know what's wrong with such compliments and how they all translate to something sexual?
No reason for a man to compliment random women unless interested in them sexually. And (believing) women shouldn't live for the attention. Covering hair = less attention.
If someone covers after your dad gives such compliments, will that mean he had something ill in his mind about her? And what to do for the following?
Voice
Writing style
Behavior
Eyes
Physical Actions such as giving charity
OpinionsWhy would a married man go around complimenting other women. My dads not a weirdo. And this thread is about womens head garment so all of those are kinda irrelevant. None are even about dress code.
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No reason for a man to compliment random women unless interested in them sexually. And (believing) women shouldn't live for the attention. Covering hair = less attention.Why would a married man go around complimenting other women. My dads not a weirdo. And this thread is about womens head garment so all of those are kinda irrelevant. None are even about dress code.
Complimenting anybody is something sexual? My God! Obsession can go far iondeed.
Complimenting anybody is just a kind gesture unless the compliment is silly or demeaning or idiot in itself, which then would not really be a compliment. People compliment each other continually without any backthought just because it makes for a more pleasant and joyous living. IN fact, can't remember the aya, but kind words are a good deed in itself. And compliments finally are kind words, may be of the lesser value, but still kind.
And when the "compliments" are something else, then it is clear and obviously out of place, and the complimenter should be put in his or her place.
Salaam
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About modest dressing, nobody as yet has defined what modesty is. If it is being discrete or unconspicuous, asexual or what, which turns the whole talk into something rather confusing rather than entlightening.
Whatever it is it is not a matter of clothing. If a person is discreet he or she will dress discretely, the "modesty" part, whatever it is, in clothes, would be a consequence of the person being "modest" and not he thing itself. Any clothing can be turned into "unmodest" if the person wants to behave like that. Whereas a "modest" person will naturally dress to character. So it is the attitutude of the person what matters, just like men, who may dress one way or the other and nobody ever signals anything, but still can be very "unmodest" and molesters in fact, because modesty is not clothes but attitude. It does not matter how they dress they can be pigs, so what is gained by puting clothes intot he fray and nto the behaviour and attitude of people? It only gives an alibi to those who are not sincere and want to keep their "free field" for scavenging.
Salaam
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I agree. Both should dress properly. Technically, a woman can be blamed for a rape only if it is always known that the place where this crime occurs has a history of that. Fraternity parties would fall under that.
I don't think I'd still blame the woman for the rape itself. You think a woman goes to a party expecting to be raped?
I think the problem lies with the man if he feels sexually turned on by women's hair and feels he can't control himself as a result..
As an example, I really like long hair on guys and there are other women who do too. Doesn't mean they should cover it up for us because we find it attractive, haha.
We are in control of our own actions.But of course I think if a woman wants to wear a headscarf, feels more modest and/or protected by it then sure do it! I just think we should all be less judgmental of eachother. Headscarf or no headscarf.
But that doesn't mean I don't agree with decent dressing. Especially when it comes to body. You can be of good moral character with or without decent dressing but you can also do both together.