Premarital Sex
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One reason I believe sex before marriage is lawful is because it's natural. If a man and a woman see each other, let's say in class, and they feel sexually attracted to each other and start to flirt, that's natural. Afterward if they have sex, that's also natural.
Is rape natural also?
Why marry then?
Looking at this from an evolutionary perspective, which is compatible with the Quran, men have a tendency to look for multiple healthy (attractive) females and mate with them. This is due to the inherent need to reproduce, which is another reason why men fantasize and love to indulge in sex with more than one female at a time, also known as threesomes.
Dude, this was debunked long time ago by the evolution researchers.
By the way, being a Quran follower means thinking with the head instead of acting on what seems natural.
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You'll see people here try to disprove this subject by inserting their cultural experiences, don't fret about their dilemmas.
Most will say Zina means Adultery and Fornication, and I will repeat my logical input on the matter by saying
Zina can't apply to Adultery and Fornication, It's one or the other. That's like me saying MMK (< traditional "right hands possess" verses) applies to oaths and slaves.I'll tell you one of the reasons why they hold this view of Zina meaning Adultery and Fornication. It's because Fa-Ha-Shin (Fahisha) isn't included in verse 2, chapter 24, and that frustrates them. Only Zina is mentioned.
Get this, a user named 'good logic' asked this question recently in another thread - "What prevents people from getting as many girlfriends /boyfriends when married?"..when married..when married.. You'd be cheating on your marriage partner.. Adultery, smh.
Is rape natural also?
Why marry then?
Where's the correlation with rape and premarital sex? Don't even answer that.
What did the OP say about throwing nonsensical comments? smh.reel, the woman who covertly advocates rape even though it's a wicked act. Oh hey, I can throw nonsensical comments too.
Suggesting rape to make the OP look stupid, are you even a true believer of God's message..Dude, this was debunked long time ago by the evolution researchers.
By the way, being a Quran follower meanings thinking with the head instead of acting on what seems natural.
Who are these evolution researchers that you praise?
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Thank you Mist.
Let us give the whole post here
Easy steps for me to look at
1- Define marriage is it "Nikah" in Arabic?2- Define "Tamassuhunna" is it touching women sexually?
3-3349 says "Idha Nakahtum" (When you marry)... Min kabli an Tamassuhunna...( Before you touch them)...
i.e Marriage comes before "Tamassuhunna".Are you allowed "Tamassuhunna " before marriage?
Let us carry on
4- 425..."Bidhni Ahlihinna"(With permission from their folk-Family_....
So you ask permission from the family to have sex before marriage?Are people saying it is OK to have sex before marriage according to Qoran?i.e Qoran is OK about it?
Are people saying "Marriage" as an institution is not for them,but they prefer to just commit to a girlfriend/boyfriend (Make an oath to stay with them loyally-Similar to marriage) and they have sex with them ?
Or are people saying it is OK to keep trying girlfriends/boyfriends including sleeping with them to see if they are compatible?
Or are people saying just go out with girlfriends/boyfriends and have sex with them?
I think Qoran is clear to only have sex with a spouse/s or someone you are committed to by oath.Let us leave Qoran for a minute and look at this argument
So sex with a girlfriend/boyfriend before marriage is allowed? Then these questions will arise
1-At what age would you start having girlfriend /boyfriend?
2- Are you living with parents/guardians?
3-Why bother with marriage and seeking permissions and staying with one partner?
4-What prevents people from getting as many girlfriends /boyfriends when married?
5- What is the use of any rule that prevents diseases and social oppression(rapes..etc)?
6- Would you allow your daughters/sisters/sons/brothers to have sex with people they meet ?
7-What prevents people taking advantage of others especially men since women have consequences of getting pregnant?
Of course there are many other disadvantages and questions to be asked.Ya,,Qoran leaves the freedom to choose and people are free to do as they please. However Qoran instructs us to "Ihfadu Furujakum".
What is the purpose of premarital sex? And with who? Does one not want to get married? Or does one want to just have sex?...etc.
Define properly what you mean by "premarital sex".
GOD bless.
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Logically you only have sex to reproduce. It is a thoughtful act....Logically....
And righteousness is about logic and soundness of actions. nothing else.
You are supposed to be careful of what comes to you as "natural" specially since you are warned in Quran that "satan will suggest you to you ..." ," satan only want to misguide you....".
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Where's the correlation with rape and premarital sex? Don't even answer that.
What did the OP say about throwing nonsensical comments? smh.I will have to answer dude. I am in healthcare and I frequently come across people struggling with the dilemma of what is rape and what is premarital consensual sex. One study I came across showed almost 75% of the girls said they gave up their virginity to keep their boyfriends. In brief, they were emotionally blackmailed and that actually is rape. On the other hand, men often can't tell whether they were raping or actually having agreed sex.
reel, the woman who covertly advocates rape even though it's a wicked act.
Evidence please.
Oh hey, I can throw nonsensical comments too.
Suggesting rape to make the OP look stupid,..Wow, thanks for the conclusion. Actually, even I didn?t know that my question makes him look a like stupid. I am sure he didn?t see it that way either.
It is interesting that this is what you assumed.
There were questions. Why you did not answer them? How does saying this is stupid and that is nonsense a refutation?are you even a true believer of God's message,..
Not looking affective to my previous reply.
But I am interested to know something. Why when talking in support of sex you never bring up the ones with whom you want to do it? I am talking about women.Who are these evolution researchers that you praise? ,..
See below.
Fling or ring? Men's mating preferences not hard wired study
From scientific studies to sitcoms, society portrays men as wired to prefer sexual flings and spurn commitment, and evolution wanted it that way.In a study published on Tuesday, anthropologists present evidence that male promiscuity is not a human universal wired into the brain by evolution. Instead, mating strategies are flexible, responding to circumstances such as gender ratios.
In short, when women are scarce, men prefer long-term committed relationships, said Ryan Schacht of the University of Utah, who led the study published in Royal Society Open Science. And women, contrary to stereotype, can be just as interested in one-night stands. http//www.reuters.com/article/us-science-mating/fling-or-ring-mens-mating-preferences-not-hard-wired-study-idUSKBN0KN00R20150114
Men Have Not Evolved to 'Sow Their Seed Widely'
There?s a myth perpetuating in our society that men are ?naturally? more promiscuous than women. One of the reasons given for this is that men have evolved to ?sow their seed widely? so as to have more children and therefore ensure the continuity of their genes.I'm never sure whether to pull my hair out in frustration or laugh at the ludicrousness of such as suggestion, which I hear so often, even from intelligent thoughtful people.
The fact is that the ?sow seed widely? form of reproduction is generally only practiced by the lower orders of animals, such as amphibians and fish and coral. In these species the female lays huge quantities of eggs, which hatch into offspring, most of which don?t survive until reproductive age. The males conversely, have to spread huge amounts of sperm around, to catch the widely scattered eggs.
As you go further up the complexity of the animal kingdom you find that there is less and less spreading of seed by the males as the females give birth to increasingly dependent young. By the time you get to humans at the top of the complexity scale and at the extreme end of the infant nurturing scale, you get offspring that are so useless they take years of intense looking after before they are capable of fending for themselves and hopefully living to reproductive age.
The reason that human infants are so helpless in the beginning is that they have such huge brains that they have really big heads, and the baby has to be born before its head gets so big that it can?t get out of the womb through the birth canal. So babies are born when their large brains are still relatively undeveloped. They require years of care until their brains have developed to a point where they can fend for themselves (around seven years of age).
Now, given that there were no single mother benefits in prehistoric days, it would have been virtually impossible for a woman to raise children on her own. The human race would not have become as successful as it has if the men were wandering around impregnating women randomly and leaving them to fend for themselves.
No, rather, both parents were required to work together to provide for themselves and their family. In fact, the whole group would have helped in child rearing. When you look at hunter-gatherer societies it?s very much the whole tribe looking after the children, because the tribe needed the children to survive in order for the tribe to survive. Humans are a very cooperative bunch. We've had to be. It?s our ability to cooperate that has enabled us to become so successful as a species - especially given our pathetically useless young!
The result is that humans have evolved (or been designed) to have frequent and highly pleasurable sex so that the parents can feel good about staying together as they need to stay together for the sake of the children. If sex was just about reproduction then women would only be attractive to men when they were ovulating, and there would be no need for either sex to have enjoyable sex (as is the case with almost all other species).
All of which doesn?t deny that there are still highly promiscuous men. The point is though, that they can?t use the ?sowing the seed? theory as their excuse! http//www.jacquelinehellyer.com/lovelife_blog/men-have-not-evolved-to-sow-their-seed-widely
Logically you only have sex to reproduce. It is a thoughtful act....Logically....
Oh God, Cerberus. there is more to it than that It is truly worth the wait. I feel bad for those who were forced to change their track.
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I answer within thw quote in red
Thank you Mist.
Let us give the whole post here
Easy steps for me to look at
1- Define marriage is it "Nikah" in Arabic?I used not to question (it did not occur to me) that nikaH means marriage. I do not think so any more. Nikah might be wedding, might be nuptial agreement, might mean agreed conditions of marriagee, but it is not the marriage. I recall again the usage of Ancient Egypt. It is well known that they did have marriage, but they did not have any official act known as marriage. That they took marriage very seriously is borne out by the many illustrations and narrations. They also had divorce, which would be impossible without marriage, and adultery, equally impossible without marriage. But they did not have any act or ceremony acknowledged as marriage. Marriage was the de facto marriage, that is, a condition rather than a ceremony or public record and the determinant fact was sex. No sex, no marriage. Sex, marriage.
In Arabic up to this date no word is constructed as somebody who is married as being mentioned by any derivative of the root n-k-H. Today married is, mutazawwaj, that is "mated". In the Qur'an we have in 33.37 "zawwajnakaha". Other than that, there is no word for married. So I think That
- The Qur'an merely registers that there are terms and conditions for marriage and that in a society where women were at a great disadvantage it was very important to attest and document the fact of the "real thing" that is, sex, so that women were not cheated or taken advantage of and, that as long as they did not have enough real independence, they were supported by the family and the whole of society for that purpose. The terms and conditions of a marriage and the steps taken to gurantee safety particularly to women are not marriage itself but precautionary measures to avoid misuse of the "real marriage", that is, sex.
2- Define "Tamassuhunna" is it touching women sexually?
3-3349 says "Idha Nakahtum" (When you marry)... Min kabli an Tamassuhunna...( Before you touch them)...
i.e Marriage comes before "Tamassuhunna".Are you allowed "Tamassuhunna " before marriage?
This is already answered in 1-
"Idha Nakahtum", That is when you have agreed on the terms and conditions of the proposed marriage "Min kabli an Tamassuhunna" before you touch them, that is, before you do marry ...
For the rest I think it is already answered in 1 and 2.
That is, if you have sex with different people after the first one you are commiting zina unless of course you go through a proper divorce.
Let us carry on
4- 425..."Bidhni Ahlihinna"(With permission from their folk-Family_....
So you ask permission from the family to have sex before marriage?Are people saying it is OK to have sex before marriage according to Qoran?i.e Qoran is OK about it?
Are people saying "Marriage" as an institution is not for them,but they prefer to just commit to a girlfriend/boyfriend (Make an oath to stay with them loyally-Similar to marriage) and they have sex with them ?
Or are people saying it is OK to keep trying girlfriends/boyfriends including sleeping with them to see if they are compatible?
Or are people saying just go out with girlfriends/boyfriends and have sex with them?
I think Qoran is clear to only have sex with a spouse/s or someone you are committed to by oath.Let us leave Qoran for a minute and look at this argument
So sex with a girlfriend/boyfriend before marriage is allowed? Then these questions will arise
1-At what age would you start having girlfriend /boyfriend?
2- Are you living with parents/guardians?
3-Why bother with marriage and seeking permissions and staying with one partner?
4-What prevents people from getting as many girlfriends /boyfriends when married?
5- What is the use of any rule that prevents diseases and social oppression(rapes..etc)?
6- Would you allow your daughters/sisters/sons/brothers to have sex with people they meet ?
7-What prevents people taking advantage of others especially men since women have consequences of getting pregnant?
Of course there are many other disadvantages and questions to be asked.Ya,,Qoran leaves the freedom to choose and people are free to do as they please. However Qoran instructs us to "Ihfadu Furujakum".
What is the purpose of premarital sex? And with who? Does one not want to get married? Or does one want to just have sex?...etc.
Define properly what you mean by "premarital sex".
GOD bless.
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I have similar views as huruf on this topic.
Legally and religiously, what begins a marriage is just a ceremony and recognition that gives two people certain rights concerning one another. I see marriage as a socially recognized bond or commitment. It's a healthy, caring partnership where people enter in a contract of sorts. So in my understanding, people in long-term relationships or common-law marriages (where they are not legally married) are married. Again, commitment to one another is key here, as well as others recognizing or validating the relationship. In my view, it can't be a secret and it can't be a fling or one night stand.
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Most will say Zina means Adultery and Fornication
peace, it's fornication or adultery ...
fornication
243 al-zani/the fornicator/adulterer not married except zaniyatan/fornicatress/adulteress or mushrikatan/who associate/idolatress...adultery
246 and the ones accusing azwajahum/spouses theirs...http//oi65.tinypic.com/105umtc.jpg
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peace, it's fornication or adultery ...
fornication
243 al-zani/the fornicator/adulterer not married except zaniyatan/fornicatress/adulteress or mushrikatan/who associate/idolatress...adultery
246 and the ones accusing azwajahum/spouses theirs...http//oi65.tinypic.com/105umtc.jpg
That would entail that only the spouse would accuse of adultery, but from the text of the ayas of 24. in fact nobody should accuse of anything but anybody can accuse of anything, "fornication" or zina, the question is that those who accuse bring for witnesses if they are nto the spouse. The spouse merely has to swear four times, if the other spouse rejects the accussation.
According to what I understand as marriage, the choice between fornication an adultery would not arise, apart from the fact that it is our version in other languages, but in Qur'an there is just wone word, and when translating it we give the meaning or the meanings.
Salaam
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I have similar views as huruf on this topic.
Legally and religiously, what begins a marriage is just a ceremony and recognition that gives two people certain rights concerning one another. I see marriage as a socially recognized bond or commitment. It's a healthy, caring partnership where people enter in a contract of sorts. So in my understanding, people in long-term relationships or common-law marriages (where they are not legally married) are married. Again, commitment to one another is key here, as well as others recognizing or validating the relationship. In my view, it can't be a secret and it can't be a fling or one night stand.
The point is that marriage is what it is according to God not what we want it to be. The fact is that a one night stand may result in a pregnancy and a child which is in fact the reason of marriage and the mithaq ghalith that is mentionned in 4.21.
It is not the concept of marriage held in the Qur'an but our concept of sex and marriage to suit our convenience and not our consciences or lack of consciences.
Sex is not a toy and if you are not committed then no matter how much you may be in love with premarital sex, you are lying to yourselve and committing zina. If your partner is on the same wavelength and thinks sex is also a toy, you wont have any problem of him or her, but like reel pointed out many of those "just sex" relationships in the cas eof the woman who does so because otherwise he does nto want her, it is plain zina on his part and sex from a position of blackmail or force, even if non physical, and amounts to rape. Too bad women fall for it, and it goes to show that many women have a long way to go revere themselves as the women they are and the givers of life, not the beggars of attention from some upper instance which only has pride and lack of empathy as talents.
Salaam
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peace,
Welcome to the forum.Here is a link to another post of somebody suggesting that sex is not exclusive to marriage, and is not forbidden in general, and does this using sound logic and reasoning from the Quran (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599777.0).
Can you clarify if you read the entire thread you linked to AND after reading it, your conclusion was the above post used "sound logic and reasoning"?
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The point is that marriage is what it is according to God not what we want it to be. The fact is that a one night stand may result in a pregnancy and a child which is in fact the reason of marriage and the mithaq ghalith that is mentionned in 4.21.
It is not the concept of marriage held in the Qur'an but our concept of sex and marriage to suit our convenience and not our consciences or lack of consciences.
Sex is not a toy and if you are not committed then no matter how much you may be in love with premarital sex, you are lying to yourselve and committing zina. If your partner is on the same wavelength and thinks sex is also a toy, you wont have any problem of him or her, but like reel pointed out many of those "just sex" relationships in the cas eof the woman who does so because otherwise he does nto want her, it is plain zina on his part and sex from a position of blackmail or force, even if non physical, and amounts to rape. Too bad women fall for it, and it goes to show that many women have a long way to go revere themselves as the women they are and the givers of life, not the beggars of attention from some upper instance which only has pride and lack of empathy as talents.
Salaam
It may be useful in this connection to reconsider aya 24.3 2hih says that a "zani" will only marry a zaniya or mushrika and the zaniya will . To the muminin such a thing is forbidden.
Why? why equate mushrik with zani? Might it be because the zani takes something sacred as a pastime? Does not respect the holyness of a mithaq ghalith? Mithaq ghalith in Qur'an is only used for the covenant between God and the prophets and their people and for this flesh pact between woman and man. Taking it as a mere pastime, perfectly neglectable, does it not amount to disregarding our covenant with God as a people to whom God has sent his prophets and who besides pretend that they do join the covenant between them and God?
Some people here say that sex is only justified to procreate. God belies that from the very moment that the human nature He has created allows and in fact guarantees that many sexual relations whether legitimate or not go without issue. If it was such an aberration all sexual relationship would automatically result in pregnancy. That is not so, so God is not particularly keen in that sex should only be justified by procreation. But what He does say is that sexual relations are a mithaq ghalidh. No joke, no pastime. The fact that they are enjoyable should move us to gratefulness and reverence of His generosity and majesty not to take them as something filthy or valueless or worse abuse them s a mere instrument to assert power. If we do that Go will assert His power with us. We should fear that, we should fear debasing the best goods God's grants us.
We speak with too much reverence of marriage, which is a human creation, and with too little reverence for the power, majesty and munificency shown to us by God in the sexual relations, which is indeed a divine gift. No wonder we have ended up loosing track of our significance and our value as sexed beings.
May God have mercy on us and give us some respite to catch up with our own senselessness.
Salaam
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I will have to answer dude. I am in healthcare and I frequently come across people struggling with the dilemma of what is rape and what is premarital consensual sex. One study I came across showed almost 75% of the girls said they gave up their virginity to keep their boyfriends. In brief, they were emotionally blackmailed and that actually is rape. On the other hand, men often can't tell whether they were raping or actually having agreed sex.
Is there a study on Qur'an-alone believers who go down this route of boyfriend/girlfriend? I think that'd be more appropriate.
Whether those men would like to admit it or not, men can tell whether they are raping or having consensual sex. I don't think this excuse would fly with God on Judgement Day. The devil influencing those men happens very often, but they all do have a choice.
Actually, even I didn?t know that my question makes him look a like stupid. I am sure he didn?t see it that way either. It is interesting that this is what you assumed.
I think we're just seeing this from a different point of view. As you said, you are in healthcare. I apologise for that.
But I am interested to know something. Why when talking in support of sex you never bring up the ones with whom you want to do it? I am talking about women.
I just didn't think it was necessary for me to imply but, I'll clarify that I only speak of women. I'm straight.
Thanks for the researchers analysis, I concur with the study, sex isn't only about reproduction.
I think Qoran is clear to only have sex with a spouse/s or someone you are committed to by oath.
Often times Za-Wa-Ja is understood as being related to marriage, but when you look at the root meaning of Za-Wa-Ja, it simply means to be paired with something or someone.
1672 And God has made for you spouses from among yourselves, and He has made from your spouses children and grandchildren..
This "spouse" translation would be correct if only spouses were able to reproduce. Marriage or no marriage, offspring's happen and it isn't exclusive to marriages only, lol.
You see it fitting to take verse 43 as literal when it talks about multiple spouses when it isn't. Read 351, and compare that to 43 to really see.
You see the verse 236 as spouses, I see it as partners.
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According to what I understand as marriage, the choice between fornication an adultery would not arise, apart from the fact that it is our version in other languages, but in Qur'an there is just wone word, and when translating it we give the meaning or the meanings.
Salaam, right no distinction fornication/adultery in Arabic it?s same sex outside marriage.
Not really sure what the argument or point of debate in this thread since verses are clear?azwajun/spouses; 412 and for you half what left azwajukum/spouses yours
muhsanatin/who fortify (feminine pl. do not have sex outside marriage)
muhsinina/who fortify (masculine pl. do not have sex outside marriage)musafihatin/who lust (feminine pl. who commit fornication/adultery)
musafihina/who lust (masculine pl. who commit fornication/adultery) siin-fa-ha musafihun241 sura/chapter descends we it and made obligatory we it and descends we of therein signs clear perhaps you remembering/heeding
242 al-zaniyatu (the fornicatress/adulteress) wal-zani (and the fornicator/adulterer) fa-ijlidu/so lashes ye of each one from them dual hundred lash and not seize you in them dual kindness in creed the god if be you believing in the god and the day the last and let witnessed punishment their dual party from the believers
243 al-zani (the fornicator/adulterer) not married except zaniyatan (fornicatress/adulteress) or mushrikatan (who associate/idolatress) wal-zaniyatu (and the fornicatress/adulteress) not married her except zanin (fornicator/adulterer) or who associate/idolater and prohibit such upon the believers
244 and the ones accusing l-muhsanati/those who fortify (feminine pl. do not have sex outside marriage) furthermore not comes they of with quartet witnesses so lashes ye them eighty lash and not accept ye of for them as witnesses ever of and those themselves the disobeying
245 except the ones repented they of from after such and reconciles they of so indeed the god forgiver merciful
246 and the ones accusing azwajahum/spouses theirs and not beeth for them witnesses except souls theirs/themselves so affirmation one them four affirmations in/by the god indeed he surely from the truthful
247 and the fifth that curse the god on him if be from the liars
248 and repel of upon her the punishment that she witness four affirmations in/by the god that he to from/among the liars
249 and the fifth that anger the god on her if be from the truthful
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I have no issues with this
Are people saying "Marriage" as an institution is not for them, but they prefer to just commit to a girlfriend/boyfriend (Make an oath to stay with them loyally-Similar to marriage) and they have sex with them ?
Either way you are committing to a partner.
GOD bless.
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Points to consider
726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to cover your bodies, as well as ornaments; and the garment of awareness is the best. That is from God's signs, perhaps they will remember
727 O Children of Adam! Let not your selfish desires deceive you in the same way as it caused your ancestors to be driven out of the garden and exposed their imperfections. A host of selfish and rebellious desires lurk within you. You can't even see them but these satans see you and befriend those who do not believe.
728 (As an example,) when people commit sexual immorality, they say, "We found our forefathers doing it and God has decreed it upon us" (i.e. made it natural for us). Say, "God never enjoins sexual immorality. Do you attribute to God that of which you have no knowledge?"
Also is the OP a serious poster? 2 posts and a Jewish star hmm
This debate boils down to accurately defining "muhsanati" and "MMA"
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Is there a study on Qur'an-alone believers who go down this route of boyfriend/girlfriend? I think that'd be more appropriate.
Quran followers can touch only after marriage
O You who have believed, when you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, then there is not for you any waiting period to count concerning them. So provide for them and give them a gracious release.349I think we're just seeing this from a different point of view. As you said, you are in healthcare. I apologise for that.
Oh no, don't apologize.
Whether those men would like to admit it or not, men can tell whether they are raping or having consensual sex. I don't think this excuse would fly with God on Judgement Day. The devil influencing those men happens very often, but they all do have a choice.
Sex will always remain a complicated topic or let's just say suffer from hadith syndrome especially in the land of sexual liberation. But I do feel that now I know where the problem is. It is the religion with weird notion on sex. When it comes to west, it is Christianity. We came out of sectarian Islam. Although just like every other religion, sex before marriage there is seen as sin I have yet to find any priest or scholar who spends way too much time in controlling sectarians' thoughts about it. The reasons they list about why sex before marriage is wrong have practical foundation and can easily be connected to an individual?s own benefits. One does not need to be Muslim to understand or agree with those. But in Christianity, someone remains virgin because of another being or person, typically the future husband. I do feel like shooting myself in the head when someone uses their belief to evaluate the views of virgins coming from other belief systems.
Being virgin for another and not for one?s own benefit is tiring. If people are given a door to get out of it, they would just run towards it. The oppressed suddenly freed will enjoy their freedom in every way possible, but thoughtlessly. The sexual liberation in the west is just that. But it does come with heavy cost for the society.
Thanks for the researchers analysis, I concur with the study, sex isn't only about reproduction.
You're welcome. But I am not fully sure now about whether you are speaking about "free sex" or commitment.
Marriage itself is a commitment as we know.
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The reasons they list about why sex before marriage is wrong have practical foundation and can easily be connected to an individual?s own benefits. One does not need to be Muslim to understand or agree with those. But in Christianity, someone remains virgin because of another being or person, typically the future husband. I do feel like shooting myself in the head when someone uses their belief to evaluate the views of virgins coming from other belief systems.
With exception within "Matriarchal Religion / Tradition"... an example of such is Mosuo Religion/Tradition.
Where even the idea of "Marriage" is not even recognized and they don't have any word equivalent to "Father" in their language.https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo
http//www.mosuoproject.org/walking.htmWithin a Matriarchal Religion / Tradition; women rules, women inherits everything and own everything, including the offspring.
Thus it is irrelevant to 'identify' who or where did the sperm came from...
Children never asked who is their father as the conception of 'father' didn't even exist within their mindset..And men will help taking care of children born by women within their own household.. even though the sperm for that children was not coming from him...
With women owning all property, 'marriage contract' is not required... women (and men) can change their sexual partner as they wishes.. It's the women who choose which men that they would like to have sexual relation with..
Now here is the interesting fact, even within such 'sexual liberal' tradition, most (not all) of the people there stay 'monogamous' or having only one sexual partner for life... Thus it seems to be that Human are generally monogamous species.. by nature..
