How can the God Alone movement advance?
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Peace Zulf,
I know, but it is an important milestone I think /
God bless you
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Peace,
Below are milestones which needs to be reached before this movement can advance
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Consensus - The linguistic issues of Arabic need to be solved and a state of agreement on what Quran truly advocated. If a new lonely true Messenger of God emerged again would certainly help who could straighten up what disputes we have, but we might not be able to count on this considered how sparsely these are sent. Otherwise honest devoted research have to be conducted and people able to unite despite minor disagreements under the Monotheist banner.
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Organization - A major organization and local branches have to be established. Optimally it should work globally and be aware of the clear opposition such an organization would experience. A firm and strong Islamic movement could well trigger new wars such as those Muhammad faced according to Quran by those who are the enemies of God. Members need not to be afraid of death, but also not indulge in aggression but find the middleway.
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Leaders - Dedicated people who can be referred to and have a strong personality and influence. They need to become synonymous with this organization for a longer period and successors have to be prepared before the former leader(s) resign. Certainly they need to be of the caliber of a human Messenger of God almost, that many people will listen to then even across religious borders.
Sorry. I have no more time to write.
Won't these steps bring us closer to sectarianism? And what the sunnis have established today? If a consensus is made, then what about those who deviate from this consensus? If there already is a consensus, it is that Islam is not an organized religion.
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Peace,
It may sound like that, but if it is an organization following God alone then it is no sect. A sect has deviated from the main religious path and one dedicated to God alone has not. Muhammad and his people when he lived was also like an organization. It is nothing wrong with this kind of activity as long as it follows God's religion.
The organizational part which includes Sunni or Shia is not wrong, only what they stand for. Its purpose is to unite people. Not bring them apart. God's religion is not isolationist but about loving your neighbor and beyond. A goal is spreading God's word of peace and prosperity which it the ultimate aim.
There is only one Truth and this one Truth is what divides us. This is why I mentioned a Messenger because such one would clarify right from wrong.
God bless you
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Peace,
Spreading information can always be a good idea. The design is very important and if there is a link to an address on it, the rest of the paper has to catch their eyes so they are interested enough to go home and access the website.
Best is a combination of speech at the distribution site and handing out the leaflet. Speech is better because humans are lazy and the probability is higher that they would listen rather than read.
God bless you
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Salam guys, gals.
Administration and organisation is something I have experience in. I'm new here though and wouldn't be able to talk as well as you in matters of God and faith, but an organisation runs on many parts. I have experience organising people across multiple regions and countries, so i would offer my services if required.
I think there is always a chance an organisation will twist into a cult, that is why it needs proper definition but also recognise differences between members. Separating it into two parts one focusing on spreading a message and another that encompass all Muslims to talk about faith in study circles is the best way to avoid a sectarian lean.
Making it clear that membership isn't compulsory helps too.
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Advancing this so-called "movement" is not going to happen sitting on your butt and arguing about logical fallacies, self-righteously insulting others and discussing "what is salat" on a forum - which is an idle place - including this one. Also, creating a cult-like organization based on consensus and/or rituals is not a good idea.
Our job is to work righteousness, including warning people and charity.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAx0jguf5U
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFUgKbeXOg&t=10s
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-BKegiUac
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiHe0wiCCvM
495 Those believers who sit back and are idle, except for a disability, are not equal in ranks to those who strive with their wealth and persons in the cause of God. God has granted a grade higher to those who strive with their wealth and persons than that granted to those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good to all believers, God has exalted with immense reward those who strive, above the ones who sit back and are idle.
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Peace progressive.
Your posts reflect what you say here, quote
Advancing this so-called "movement" is not going to happen sitting on your butt and arguing about logical fallacies, self-righteously insulting others and discussing "what is salat" on a forum - which is an idle place - including this one. Also, creating a cult-like organization based on consensus and/or rituals is not a good idea.
Please kindly lead by example, so others may follow.
GOD bless you.
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To advance the movement, I think one indeed needs to ackowledge where the concept of "Th? God" is going in the west. Typically influenced by anatt? egoless type teachings. Which makes it approximately ?cc?g for me.
And then you need non-biased translation of The Quran.
19?ers are influenced by Rashad Khalifa ego.
Sunnis are influenced by hadithism.
Christians are influenced by trinitarian dogma.So lets take some common expressions, and do them right
Allah has no C?partner
Jannah - Garden
Jahannam - Hellfurnace
Jinn - Flamedemon
Imam - Mentor
Nabi - Apostle
Alhamdulillah - Hailed Be Allah (The B?ss Of The Cosm?s, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate. He has no c?partner.)
Malaika - Angelos
Shaytan - Satanos
Rabb - B?ss
Munafiq - Twotimer
Mushrik - Idolworshipper
Firon - Ph?raoMisc knowledge of research -10000BC G?bekli Tepe is a hunting ground for idolworshipping jinn. (Not Adam, which was ca. -5200BC in Dispilio.)
Stonehenge seems be a site of Suleyman. He "had an ifrit present" states The QuranThe Prayer
"In Allahs name, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate.
Hailed Be Allah, The B?ss Of The Cosm?s, The Beneficient, The Highly Compassionate.
Guarder of The Day of Judgement.
You only we worship, and you only we beg for help.
Lead us on the way that is good, the way to those favours are given, and not anger given, nor astrayness."And ofcourse, No hypocritical Bukhari, or stoned Tirmidhi of hadithers.
Peaceful Salutations.
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Good thing to revive old threads. But I didn't know I can also earn paradise-points for making dawah as a Quranist. - This forum is surely not idle, as people here live far away from each other. Still so much more profound than those stupid facebook pages with nice pictures (I thought pictures are forbidden in Islam) decorated with some nice sounding but quite trivial text.
I think everybody has sometimes opportunities in his environment to explain to people the difference between Islam and what Quran really says. The creator of the thread got it right to call it a "movement". It will have the best outcome, when coming from the root, not from the top. -
Peace progressive.
Your posts reflect what you say here, quote
Advancing this so-called "movement" is not going to happen sitting on your butt and arguing about logical fallacies, self-righteously insulting others and discussing "what is salat" on a forum - which is an idle place - including this one. Also, creating a cult-like organization based on consensus and/or rituals is not a good idea.
Please kindly lead by example, so others may follow.
GOD bless you.
Peace.This is exactly the idleness to which I was referring. Thanks for providing an immediate example.
Good thing to revive old threads. But I didn't know I can also earn paradise-points for making dawah as a Quranist. - This forum is surely not idle, as people here live far away from each other. Still so much more profound than those stupid facebook pages with nice pictures (I thought pictures are forbidden in Islam) decorated with some nice sounding but quite trivial text.
I think everybody has sometimes opportunities in his environment to explain to people the difference between Islam and what Quran really says. The creator of the thread got it right to call it a "movement". It will have the best outcome, when coming from the root, not from the top.Maybe you need to evaluate the difference between religion and "deen al islam." And yes, I recognized the sarcasm and snarkiness in your post.
There can be no compulsion in the obligation/responsibility (deen). God isnt asking for mere chatter, but actions. Clearly you also failed to comprehend the concept of warning one's people and the elite. I recommend chapter 7. Pick your favorite translation.
Or just go back to building a following, organization, government, etc...
Having a large group follow you does not matter. See 6116. Most messengers in the past mentioned in the Reading were disobeyed and threatened.
495 Those believers who sit back at home/are idle, except for a disability, are not equal in ranks to those who strive with their wealth and persons in the cause of God. God has granted a grade higher to those who strive with their wealth and persons than that granted to those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good to all believers, God has exalted with immense reward those who strive, above the ones who sit back at home/are idle.
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Do you reject advice brother progressive? how does the movement then progress?
I hope you see the irony you talk about in some of your posts!
I fail to see what you want others to do since you are the one doing most of the discussions in most of the threads?
Or does what you say about others not apply to you?May be you do not see it, I hope you reflect a bit.
Nothing wrong with discussing and doing as well. Or do you know what others do /don t do in their life?
GOD bless you.
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Do you reject advice brother progressive? how does the movement then progress?
Watch the vids I posted along with verses. Maybe one day you will realize that it's not about consensus and group following on the internet. Do you reject advice brother "good logic?"
I hope you see the irony you talk about in some of your posts!
I fail to see what you want others to do since you are the one doing most of the discussions in most of the threads?
Or does what you say about others not apply to you?
May be you do not see it, I hope you reflect a bit.
Nothing wrong with discussing and doing as well. Or do you know what others do /don t do in their life?Do you know what I do? What plans I have?
I hope you see the irony you talk about in some of your posts! -
Peace progressive.
I hope I do not/will not reject good advice from yourself or others.
Also what you do and say is between you and your Creator, I was asking you to reflect as a brotherly advice.
I would like to think that I am also reflecting on what you say, I hope I am not saying one thing to you and doing another, not intentionally anyway.As for the God Alone movement, it is up to GOD Alone . God is the best uniting factor( God works on the sincere hearts and unites them...Asbahtum Binimatihi Ikhwanan- Brothers and sisters in Islam)
I wish you well and thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
The movement will succeed, with or without us. We can try and be a positive influence, or we can simply sit-back and observe - the conclusion is forgone.
12110 Then, when the messengers gave up, and they thought that they have been denied, Our victory came to them. We then save whom We wish, and Our punishment cannot be swayed from the wicked people.
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I can't believe there isn't a thread on this. p
Well, on the main website it has a poll, "How can the God Alone movement advance?"
I'd like to see what people here think, and how they would add their two cents.
I personally believe that it is important for Qur'an Alone Mosques to begin to appear. There are none that I know of in my local area and I live in quite a diverse area with a fair few mosques. I don't know of any in Birmingham (UK) either.
I have heard Hadithers say that Qur'an Alone Islam and Muslims are a predominantly internet thing. To some extent I think they are righ, unfortunately. How do we fix that?
One of the options is to start a town. How would we even go about that!? D
Assalamualaikum
i doubt it will ever come out the computer . moreover , we dont have the entire package to solve the day to day problems of Muslim communities . we just talk about few words/verses .the community demands the entire package which will prove Quran alone is the only solution .even today Quran alone is in its cradle .Islam is a practical religion .people live with their so called "sharia" .i doubt we can ever replace their so called "sharia" .the bitter reality is we born here and will die here .if we express our view points to the outer world ,we will be mocked -
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By moving to Consciousness Research because Allah is the Light of Consciousness and taqwa is what we need to gain which will clear up all the lower ideas otherwise we will end up going in long circles.
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Those who act less partial with Justice and accept universal diversity are truly God alone followers as per Quran. But it is natural most people will go astray, be inward or closed with narrow ideas at some point, but learn and accept reality and come back if God wills. To me Masjid al Haram is a state of mind that keeps us in a neutral way as we take the results of our actions to an external force of Goodness and not to ourselves. As muslims we are not falling before a direction or a place, indeed falling before an Unknown Un imaginable higher force.
