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    jonny_k
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    Salam,
    Some evolutionary scientists go so far as 2 argue that rape is a natural part of evolution!!!
    http//seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~alex/education/hps/koterski.htm
    So u see once again where this theory is leading us. GOD Bless!

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      ammarb87
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      yeah studied that in psychology .. the theory says that rape can be justified by the fact that men who do not have enough resources to attrat women rape women to pass on their genes .. haha sounds stupid !!

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        Andya_Primanda
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        If I say that evolutionists claim that altruism, cooperation, sacrifice is also part of evolution, would you agree? Because I have also seen studies that argue that these 'good' actions were also part of evolution.

        Besides, just because something is natural does not make it morally right. During my studies I have learned that monkeys do infanticide, nesting birds cheat on their spouses, grass poison other plants, baby sharks eat each other in their mother's body, ants enslave workers from other species. All these cases are natural behaviours. Would this make infanticide, infidelity, polluting one's environment, cannibalism, and slavery morally right?

        Besides, Khizar, what is your problem with evolution that has anything to do with Free-minds.org? I told you we can discuss this in a more appropriate place like http//www.evcforum.net where the main course is always evolution.

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          If I say that evolutionists claim that altruism, cooperation, sacrifice is also part of evolution, would you agree? Because I have also seen studies that argue that these 'good' actions were also part of evolution.

          Khi- No i wldnt coz it doesnt make any sense 2 me. An Intelligent n Divine source has 2 be behind such properties.

          Besides, just because something is natural does not make it morally right. During my studies I have learned that monkeys do infanticide, nesting birds cheat on their spouses, grass poison other plants, baby sharks eat each other in their mother's body, ants enslave workers from other species. All these cases are natural behaviours. Would this make infanticide, infidelity, polluting one's environment, cannibalism, and slavery morally right?

          Khi- Ofcourse wht animals do is not necessary right 4 humans. Thts wht makes humans different from animals. Then again it cld be possible tht there r good n bad ones amongst animals as well
          All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.
          Y wld GOD summon all the creatures if they were not 2 give an account. My conclusion is tht thy may have their own set of rules n judgements.

          Besides, Khizar, what is your problem with evolution that has anything to do with Free-minds.org? I told you we can discuss this in a more appropriate place like http//www.evcforum.net where the main course is always evolution.

          Khi- Actually im getting tired of discussing it anymore. But u may give Dr. Kent n call. Im sure he can answer all ur qs. Then come back n inform me. GOD Bless!

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            Besides, just because something is natural does not make it morally right. During my studies I have learned that monkeys do infanticide, nesting birds cheat on their spouses, grass poison other plants, baby sharks eat each other in their mother's body, ants enslave workers from other species. All these cases are natural behaviours. Would this make infanticide, infidelity, polluting one's environment, cannibalism, and slavery morally right?

            Khi- Ofcourse wht animals do is not necessary right 4 humans. Thts wht makes humans different from animals. Then again it cld be possible tht there r good n bad ones amongst animals as well
            All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.
            Y wld GOD summon all the creatures if they were not 2 give an account. My conclusion is tht thy may have their own set of rules n judgements.

            So now you understand why I think you're wrong in claiming 'evolutionists advocate rape'? Just because it's there in nature does not mean it's right.

            Khi- Actually im getting tired of discussing it anymore. But u may give Dr. Kent n call. Im sure he can answer all ur qs. Then come back n inform me. GOD Bless!

            It was you who started it in the first place.

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              jonny_k
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              So now you understand why I think you're wrong in claiming 'evolutionists advocate rape'? Just because it's there in nature does not mean it's right.

              Khi- Salam. I understand tht u claim tht but evolutionists dont seem 2. They wld rather not punish such a person coz they claim it is genetically inherent. Thts the whole prob. We have no more morality tht way.

              It was you who started it in the first place.

              Khi- Y r u afraid of talking 2 Dr. Kent on the ohone? GOD Bless!

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                Khi- Salam. I understand tht u claim tht but evolutionists dont seem 2. They wld rather not punish such a person coz they claim it is genetically inherent. Thts the whole prob. We have no more morality tht way.

                If you are consistent in keeping the naturalistic fallacy and prejudice out of your head, then you should not have been troubled.

                Thornhill & Palmer, the scientists that studied rape in evolutionary terms in their book A Natural History of Rape, which may be the source of your erroneous claim that 'evolutionists say rape is okay', never said that rape is okay. Instead they propose ways to annihilate this tendency. Try reading the book yourself before passing premature judgement.

                Morality is not from what's in our genes. I thought we have a book called the Qur'an that's supposed to be our source for morality?

                It was you who started it in the first place.

                Khi- Y r u afraid of talking 2 Dr. Kent on the ohone? GOD Bless!

                I'm not in the US, international calls are expensive! Besides, the burden of proof is not mine but yours. I'm not the one who dragged Kent Hovind here.

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                  I'm not in the US, international calls are expensive! Besides, the burden of proof is not mine but yours. I'm not the one who dragged Kent Hovind here.

                  Khi- Salam. Ur a scientist. Money shldnt be a prob 4 u. GOD Bless!

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                    Andya_Primanda
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                    Khi- Salam. Ur a scientist. Money shldnt be a prob 4 u. GOD Bless!

                    WTF?

                    I take that as a personal insult on my own dire financial circumstances evil

                    Scientists are not normally rich people you know. Evangelists, now that's a fat cat profession. No wonder Kent has millions of dollars to spare for prize money.

                    Hmm, maybe I should be a televangelist... then I can ask people to pay me to pray for them on TV... Then I'll be rich.

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                      WTF?

                      I take that as a personal insult on my own dire financial circumstances evil

                      Scientists are not normally rich people you know. Evangelists, now that's a fat cat profession. No wonder Kent has millions of dollars to spare for prize money.

                      Hmm, maybe I should be a televangelist... then I can ask people to pay me to pray for them on TV... Then I'll be rich.

                      Khi- Salam. U mean 2 say tht u dont earn good money? Evolutionists usually earn a lot of money. They r even tax funded while Dr. Kent doesnt take a single penny from the tax money. Uve got 2 get the facts straight. Now ok lemme except maybe ur financial conditions r not tht good. But dont u have the money 4 a signle International Phone call. U can then ask him whether he cld call u back or chat on the net. Im sure he wld do tht if ur ready. GOD Bless!

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                        I see Andya, Khizar still badgering you about evolution!

                        Khizar's aversion to evolution has become almost psycosomatic.

                        Khizar, I thought you are bringing one of Dr. Kent's disciple to debate with us?

                        Where is he?

                        Regards,

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                          jonny_k
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                          I see Andya, Khizar still badgering you about evolution!

                          Khizar's aversion to evolution has become almost psycosomatic.

                          Khizar, I thought you are bringing one of Dr. Kent's disciple to debate with us?

                          Where is he?

                          Regards,

                          Khi- Salam. Ive decided 2 post Dr. Kent's phone no. so tht u can call him urself. No one can explain his views better as the original person himself. GOD Bless!

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                            bmbmm
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                            Peace to all,

                            I am a scientist. Evolution is not true, its not even science. Its a lie and a recist theory.....or it is not even a theory. Please do not waste your time.

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                              wildguest1956
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                              Salam,
                              Some evolutionary scientists go so far as 2 argue that rape is a natural part of evolution!!!
                              http//seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~alex/education/hps/koterski.htm
                              So u see once again where this theory is leading us. GOD Bless!

                              Do you know the "naturalistic fallacy" ?

                              The naturalistic fallacy is related to, and often confused with, the is-ought problem (as formulated by, for example, David Hume). As a result, the term is sometimes used loosely to describe arguments which claim to draw ethical conclusions from natural facts. Even more distantly, the term is used to describe arguments which claim to draw ethical conclusions from the fact that something is "natural" or "unnatural."

                              Many people use the phrase "naturalistic fallacy" to characterize inferences of the form "This behavior is natural; therefore, this behavior is morally acceptable" or "This behavior is unnatural; therefore, this behavior is morally unacceptable".

                              http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

                              Peace

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                                bmbmm
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                                I am a scientist. What they claim is bullshit!

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                                  sawtooth
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                                  But by that theory the men woud also stick around to make sure that any child produced from rape was well taken care of in order to keep the gene line going.

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