Allah - Common Noun?
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see here, it's originally chinese
I was merely asking from a linguistic perspective. Unless i misunderstood your answer.
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Salam everyone, This question involves Kashif's article in this forum
In the comments, one person (which i will not name for the sake of privacy of that person) questioned Kashif
The questioner
Brother Kashif, Salam. One point I could not make clear. If Allah is not illah (not to worship but to Serve), then why in Sura Naas he is telling Aauzu Be Rabbinnaas, Malikinnaas, ILAHINNAAS?
Kashif's response
I will reiterate to study my articles before raising any question. We don't read the Quran with our own eyes but blindly follow "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" in which instead to understand the Quran at the spot where it is being explained something, we instantly jump to the other verses of the same words ignoring their contexts. This is same as if we move our finger along the lines and read "Bismillah" on all Quranic words instead of pronouncing them. Hence, "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" was given by anti-Quran Manichean polytheist pagans to balance their lies what they have invented in the fake translations. I still did not write on Surah Al Naas which I will soon Insha Allah but according to their grammatical formations the phrases " " (Bi Rabbin Naas), " " (Malik An Naas) and " " (Ilahi aannas) are coming in three consecutive independent verses without conjunction "" (wao), Which means that this Surah Al Naas is talking about three different things "" (Sustainer), "" (Ruler or King) and "" (deity) are obsessed by people (ِ to get protection (ُ against spark of their obsessed fear.
What do you think brothers & sisters of mankind?
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Salam everyone, This question involves Kashif's article in this forum
In the comments, one person (which i will not name for the sake of privacy of that person) questioned Kashif
The questioner
Kashif's response
What do you think brothers & sisters of mankind?
Salaam Sardar
Please reflect
(Red part "then seek refuge with Allah"
Blue part "from shaitan"( ( ( (
Red part "I seek refuge with rabunnaas"
Blue part "from evil.."Grammatically "bi" is harf-e-jar which gives a kasra to Rabb. same "bi" continue to give kasra to and in the next ayats. and are attributes to in surah 114.
We are not asked to seek refuge from three different entities but to seek refuge with rabunnas who is malikunnas and ilahunas, from the evil of the whispering of al-khannas.
So I don't know what Kashif is upto.
Regarding tasreef ul ayat we find in the Quran that Allah has used tasreef ul ayat to explain us the Quran.
(64619) nuarrifu We explain
(66524) nuarrifu We explain
(61052) nuarrifu We explain
(75814) nuarrifu We explain
(17412) arrafn We have explained
(17892) arrafn We have explained
(18542) arrafn We have explained
(201135) waarrafn and We have explained
(25502) arrafnhu We have distributed it
(46277) waarrafn and We have diversifiedSo Quran explain itself by tasreef ul ayat.
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Salaam Sardar
Please reflect
(Red part "then seek refuge with Allah"
Blue part "from shaitan"( ( ( (
Red part "I seek refuge with rabunnaas"
Blue part "from evil.."Grammatically "bi" is harf-e-jar which gives a kasra to Rabb. same "bi" continue to give kasra to and in the next ayats. and are attributes to in surah 114.
We are not asked to seek refuge from three different entities but to seek refuge with rabunnas who is malikunnas and ilahunas, from the evil of the whispering of al-khannas.
So I don't know what Kashif is upto.
Regarding tasreef ul ayat we find in the Quran that Allah has used tasreef ul ayat to explain us the Quran.
(64619) nuarrifu We explain
(66524) nuarrifu We explain
(61052) nuarrifu We explain
(75814) nuarrifu We explain
(17412) arrafn We have explained
(17892) arrafn We have explained
(18542) arrafn We have explained
(201135) waarrafn and We have explained
(25502) arrafnhu We have distributed it
(46277) waarrafn and We have diversifiedSo Quran explain itself by tasreef ul ayat.
Bold What is Tasreef ul Ayat?
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Kashif's suggestion that as it is, without a "wa",we are in front of three different entities but that if there were a "wa" before malikinnass and ilahinnas t hat it would would be the same entity dumbfounds me.
For there to be three different entitities we should seek refuge with, I feel that there should be a repetion of the "bi" and a wa, that is, "wa bi rabinnas wa bi malikannas".
Salaam
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Kashif's suggestion that as it is, without a "wa",we are in front of three different entities but that if there were a "wa" before malikinnass and ilahinnas t hat it would would be the same entity dumbfounds me.
For there to be three different entitities we should seek refuge with, I feel that there should be a repetion of the "bi" and a wa, that is, "wa bi rabinnas wa bi malikannas".
Salaam
Um.....what does that mean?
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Bold What is Tasreef ul Ayat?
As per following quote of Kashif, in your reply # 47 red part is "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" Did you ask Kashif what it means or you did not read and understan his article before posting it?
"I will reiterate to study my articles before raising any question. We don't read the Quran with our own eyes but blindly follow "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" in which instead to understand the Quran at the spot where it is being explained something, we instantly jump to the other verses of the same words ignoring their contexts. This is same as if we move our finger along the lines and read "Bismillah" on all Quranic words instead of pronouncing them. Hence, "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" was given by anti-Quran Manichean polytheist pagans to balance their lies what they have invented in the fake translations. I still did not write on Surah Al Naas which I will soon Insha Allah but according to their grammatical formations the phrases " " (Bi Rabbin Naas), " " (Malik An Naas) and " " (Ilahi aannas) are coming in three consecutive independent verses without conjunction "" (wao), Which means that this Surah Al Naas is talking about three different things "" (Sustainer), "" (Ruler or King) and "" (deity) are obsessed by people (ِ to get protection (ُ against spark of their obsessed fear."
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As per following quote of Kashif, in your reply # 47 red part is "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" Did you ask Kashif what it means or you did not read and understan his article before posting it?
"I will reiterate to study my articles before raising any question. We don't read the Quran with our own eyes but blindly follow "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" in which instead to understand the Quran at the spot where it is being explained something, we instantly jump to the other verses of the same words ignoring their contexts. This is same as if we move our finger along the lines and read "Bismillah" on all Quranic words instead of pronouncing them. Hence, "Tasreef-e-Aayaat" was given by anti-Quran Manichean polytheist pagans to balance their lies what they have invented in the fake translations. I still did not write on Surah Al Naas which I will soon Insha Allah but according to their grammatical formations the phrases " " (Bi Rabbin Naas), " " (Malik An Naas) and " " (Ilahi aannas) are coming in three consecutive independent verses without conjunction "" (wao), Which means that this Surah Al Naas is talking about three different things "" (Sustainer), "" (Ruler or King) and "" (deity) are obsessed by people (ِ to get protection (ُ against spark of their obsessed fear."
Actually i have read his article but it's been a while.
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I wonder, can the word ilah (ه mean divine? I read on of Wakas (i think it was him) articles and this is from that article
From http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
An understanding of salat from Al Quran (The Reading)
With the name/assistance of The God/Divine, The Almighty/Originator, The Merciful/Embracing (I begin)
Bismi Allahi ar-rahmani ar-raheemiNow this looks like the Al & Ilah contraction so i wonder could ilah (ه also mean divine?
P.S I do NOT deny the divine, i acknowledge Allah/God (SWTAY) as The Divine Infinite Creator.
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Unless i am incorrect of course so if Wakas or Noon could correct me if i am wrong.
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If there is a classical arabic dictionary that says ilah (ه means divine, please do show us in this forum post. group group
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If there is a classical arabic dictionary that says ilah (ه means divine, please do show us in this forum post. group group
Nobody will be able to show this to you on this forum. Arabic is a mathematical language. Most words have 3 letter root. There are predefined measures/dyes or Awzaans that roots get molded into to form new words. All these measures/dyes have predefined/preassigned meanings. These meanings are add to root meanings in order to make meaning of a thus newly formed word. Look at this formula 1+1 = 2. Root meaning + Measure meaning = Resultant word meaning. With this background knowledge of the language rules let us now look at following.
is from root and its wazan is . Now try understanding the meanings of based upon language formula ?Meaning of root + Meaning of Wazan?.
Meaning of root ?he worshiped or adored?
Meaning of wazan is "Refusal or flight". Now by putting this knowledge together we get above meanings of the phrase. -
Nobody will be able to show this to you. Arabic is a mathematical language. Most words have 3 letter root. There predefined measures/dyes or Awzaans that roots get molded to form new words. All these measures/dyes have predefined/preassigned meanings. These meanings are add to root meanings in order to make meaning of new word. Look at this formula 1+1 = 2. Root meaning + Measure meaning = Resultant word meaning. With this background knowledge og the language now look at following.
is from root and its wazan is . Now try understanding the meanings of based upon language formula ?Meaning of root + Meaning of Wazan?.
Meaning of root ?he worshiped or adored?
Meaning of wazan is "Refusal or flight". Now by putting this knowledge together we get above meanings of the phrase.Let see what the others say about it.
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Nobody will be able to show this to you. Arabic is a mathematical language. Most words have 3 letter root. There predefined measures/dyes or Awzaans that roots get molded to form new words. All these measures/dyes have predefined/preassigned meanings. These meanings are add to root meanings in order to make meaning of new word. Look at this formula 1+1 = 2. Root meaning + Measure meaning = Resultant word meaning. With this background knowledge og the language now look at following.
is from root and its wazan is . Now try understanding the meanings of based upon language formula ?Meaning of root + Meaning of Wazan?.
Meaning of root ?he worshiped or adored?
Meaning of wazan is "Refusal or flight". Now by putting this knowledge together we get above meanings of the phrase.I never heard of a language being mathematical.
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Before today. Now you do, please spend your energies in this direction, if you really care to know and learn. You are asking wrong people here.
How are they wrong people?
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How are they wrong people?
Firstly, because they will neither verify or deny what I have asserted above as been from or not from language. Especially their denial will never be reason and evidence based. Secondly, they want you to believe what they have already decided the meanings to be.
Wish you luck with your future learning.
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Firstly, because they will neither verify or deny what I have asserted above as been from or not from language. Especially their denial will never be reason and evidence based. Secondly, they want you to believe what they have already decided the meanings to be.
Wish you luck with your future learning.
Bold 1 I honestly don't think it's 100 % correct on that, i wan't to here what others say about that. By ''they'' you mean Wakas, Noon or Imran? (Correct me if i am wrong.)
Red You are saying like they have some sort of a hidden agenda. That sounds a bit accusing in my view. No offense. -
Nobody will be able to show this to you on this forum. Arabic is a mathematical language. Most words have 3 letter root. There are predefined measures/dyes or Awzaans that roots get molded into to form new words. All these measures/dyes have predefined/preassigned meanings. These meanings are add to root meanings in order to make meaning of a thus newly formed word. Look at this formula 1+1 = 2. Root meaning + Measure meaning = Resultant word meaning. With this background knowledge of the language rules let us now look at following.
is from root and its wazan is . Now try understanding the meanings of based upon language formula ?Meaning of root + Meaning of Wazan?.
Meaning of root ?he worshiped or adored?
Meaning of wazan is "Refusal or flight". Now by putting this knowledge together we get above meanings of the phrase.If anyone of who has good skills on quranic arabic grammar can confirm this, that would be great.
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From Project Root List. The root word of Allah Alif-Lam-ha ( ه = to serve, worship or adore; to protect, grant refuge, preserve save, rescue, liberate; object of worship ie God; (Alif-Lam-Lam-ha) God, the one true God applied as a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essences of existing things.
allahumma "O God!" 326, 5114, 832, 1010, 3946
allah
"there is no god but God" 2255, 32, 318, 362, 487, 208, 2014, 2098, 2726, 2870, 3735, 3865, 4719, 5922, 5923, 6413
"He is God, that is God" 63, 695, 3513, 396
"Belonging to God" 2115, 2142, 2284, 328, 3109, 3129, 3180, 4126, 4131, 4131, 4132, 4170, 612, 6136, 6136, 81, 841, 1055, 1066, 142, 2385, 2387, 2389, 2464, 3126, 484, 487, 5325, 5331, 5710, 597, 637
"By God" 1273, 1285, 1291, 1295, 1656, 1663, 2157, 2697, 3756
"With or from God; in God's sight" ('ind Allah) 279, 294, 2110, 2217, 2282, 314, 337, 378, 378, 3163, 3198, 3198, 478, 478, 494, 6124, 7131, 7187, 822, 828, 855, 919, 920, 922, 936, 999, 1446, 1695, 1696, 2413, 2415, 2461, 2747, 2860, 3039, 3353, 3363, 3369, 4035, 4152, 4236, 4610, 485, 613, 6211, 6415, 7320
"God is with" 940, 4735
"Apart from God" (dun Allah) 223, 364, 5116, 916, 931, 1018, 1037, 1843, 1981, 2724, 2881, 2925, 3674, 3786, 4074, 4628, 5358, 7125
"Other than God" (ghayr Allah) 2173, 482, 53, 614, 619, 640, 646, 6114, 6145, 6164, 7140, 1596, 1652, 16115, 1722, 1739, 2122, 2760, 2761, 2762, 2763, 2764, 2871, 2872, 353, 3964, 5026, 5151, 5243ilah n.m. (pl. alihah) 2133, 2133, 2133, 2163, 2163, 4171, 573, 619, 931, 1452, 1622, 1622, 1651, 18110, 18110, 2098, 21108, 21108, 2234, 2234, 2838, 2946, 2946, 374, 385, 4037, 416, 416, 4384, 4384, 1143
other (false) gods - 2163, 2255, 32, 36, 318, 318, 362, 487, 573, 5116, 619, 646, 674, 6102, 6106, 759, 765, 773, 785, 7127, 7138, 7138, 7140, 7158, 931, 9129, 1090, 1114, 1150, 1153, 1154, 1161, 1184, 11101, 1330, 1596, 162, 1651, 1722, 1739, 1742, 1814, 1815, 1946, 1981, 208, 2014, 2088, 2088, 2097, 2098, 2121, 2122, 2124, 2125, 2129, 2136, 2143, 2159, 2162, 2168, 2187, 2199, 2323, 2332, 2391, 2391, 23116, 23117, 253, 2542, 2543, 2568, 2629, 26213, 2726, 2760, 2761, 2762, 2763, 2764, 2838, 2870, 2871, 2872, 2888, 2888, 353, 3623, 3674, 3735, 3736, 3786, 3791, 385, 386, 3791, 385, 386, 3865, 396, 403, 4062, 4065, 4345, 4358, 448, 4523, 4622, 4628, 4719, 5026, 5151, 5243, 5922, 5923, 6413, 7123, 739
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 119, 120 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=alh
