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People of the Gospel judge with what God has send down in it

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    NielsJacob
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    Okay
    I know that one.
    Also this one is good. More translations. And the one with "Should have"
    http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/5/47/default.htm

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      (&#65279

      We sent ?Isa son of Maryam after those prophets, confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before him, and We gave him the Injil having guidance and light therein, and confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before it; a guidance and a lesson for the God-fearing. (46) And the people of the Injil must judge according to what Allah has sent down therein. Those who do did not judge according to what Allah has sent down, they are the sinners. (47)

      Peace Nielsjacob

      It is a rule in Arabic that if present tense comes after "LAM" it gives meanings of past. So the red part above means "who did not decide/order" which is related to past actions.

      Hope it helps.

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        NielsJacob
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        Peace Novice

        I see you change "do" to "did".
        But what about "must judge". It's still present.

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          But what about "must judge". It's still present.

          I do not see "must" in the Arabic text of the verse. Translators have added it to their interpretation.

          The verse is saying "who did not judge with what God sent down, those are fasiqoon.

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            Jafar
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            How to understand this?
            547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it.

            The Gospel was/is corrupted so I don't understand this!
            One could say that the intention is the original Gospel. But here God say that there should be judged with it, so it's have to be the present one.

            Simple...
            Let them judge with their own judgement..
            Everything that is 'straight' can be 'corrupted'
            And everything that is 'corrupted' can be 'straightened'...
            Nothing is 'perfect'... including yours...

            More of same story
            548 For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation.

            So the Christians should stay in their religion, and follow their community??

            Yes.. and let them fix their own society..
            They will act as an actor to do check and balance to you and your society.. when your society become more corrupted than they are...

            Note The notions of 'expansion' and 'conversion' is among the things which was 'corrupted' within Christianity and transferred into Islam. The arrogancy of 'chosen people' is among the things which was 'corrupted' within Judaism transferred along to Christianity and transferred along to Islam.

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              NielsJacob
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              Peace Novice.

              I do not see "must" in the Arabic text of the verse. Translators have added it to their interpretation.

              The verse is saying "who did not judge with what God sent down, those are fasiqoon.

              The most common (97%) translation are "Let", "must" or "should"(present).
              Only Shakir have past time "should have".

              I think we should let the
              "Correction/Modification to FM Translation of AlQuraan" know. Or what do you think?

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                NielsJacob
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                Simple...
                Let them judge with their own judgement..
                Everything that is 'straight' can be 'corrupted'
                And everything that is 'corrupted' can be 'straightened'...
                Nothing is 'perfect'... including yours...

                Yes.. and let them fix their own society..
                They will act as an actor to do check and balance to you and your society.. when your society become more corrupted than they are...

                Note The notions of 'expansion' and 'conversion' is among the things which was 'corrupted' within Christianity and transferred into Islam. The arrogancy of 'chosen people' is among the things which was 'corrupted' within Judaism transferred along to Christianity and transferred along to Islam.

                Peace Jafar

                But there has to be a distinguish between their own and Gods judgment/law.
                Their own is the corrupted one.
                Gods law supposed to be perfect.

                And if something can be straightened, also meaning there have accepted a certain standard.

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                  Mazhar
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                  There is no "let" in the Ayah. The subject of verb is specifically mentioned.

                  And the holders of In'jeel should command the people by that which Allah the Exalted had communicated therein.

                  Be mindful; if anyone in timeline decided and commanded not by that the Book which Allah the Exalted had communicated

                  Thereat, they are truly the people who are aberrant in habit of going out of the prescribed bounds.

                  It should be read in textual frame; Ayah 44-50

                  Ayah 44-50

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                    Jafar
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                    But there has to be a distinguish between their own and Gods judgment/law.
                    Their own is the corrupted one.
                    Gods law supposed to be perfect.

                    And if something can be straightened, also meaning there have accepted a certain standard.

                    All can be corrupted, including and especially OUR law.

                    Human learn from mistakes.. that's why HUMILITY is among the pre-requisite for wisdom.
                    Those who are ARROGANT will never learn anything...
                    Those who always look for a speck in other while pay no attention to the plank in their own...

                    And True God's law doesn't need any help for enforcement, it's automatically enforced, nobody can break.

                    The standard is simple do unto others what you like others do to you.. as what goes around shall come around...
                    Those who are humble shall be heightened and those who are arrogant shall be humbled..
                    Those are the law that nobody can break and it is automatically enforced...

                    The above are among the wisdom mined from the Gospels..
                    Who actually wrote it? Whether it is inspired by God or not? doesn't matter......

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                      Peace Novice.

                      The most common (97%) translation are "Let", "must" or "should"(present).
                      Only Shakir have past time "should have".

                      I think we should let the
                      "Correction/Modification to FM Translation of AlQuraan" know. Or what do you think?

                      I do not follow translations and stays with the original Arabic text. Here is the text and meanings in my humble understanding

                      546-47
                      (&#65279 (

                      And we sent after them Issa son of Mariam confirming what was in front of him from Torah and we gave him the Injeel, in it guidance and light and confirming what was in front of him from the Torah and guidance and advice for those who live their life as per God's law - and holder of the Injeel to decide with what Allah revealed in it and who did not decide with what Allah revealed then those were fasiqoon (those who do not follow God's law)

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