AlFathia
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Although i should have added that the reason they say that because they are trying to be unbiased. So my fault on being vague.
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I was trying to say that i have not seen anyone saying that their translation is 100% correct. See my previous reply.
Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
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Who is "their" in your sentence? Are you referring to translators themselves as their? Or you are implying by saying "not seen anyone" (not a single person), saying that their (translators) translation is 100% correct?
If you want to be specific on "their" i am referring to Wakas, Noon, Mazhar, Manny_E, Mughal1 and a youtuber known as Quran Centric (He is Yousef Shaer in this forum https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606314.msg348017#msg348017) I have not seen them saying their translation is without mistake. I hope this has answered your question.
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If you want to be specific on "their" i am referring to Wakas, Noon, Mazhar, Manny_E, Mughal1 and a youtuber known as Quran Centric (He is Yousef Shaer in this forum https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606314.msg348017#msg348017) I have not seen them saying their translation is without mistake. I hope this has answered your question.
If the current accepted Quran's translation/understanding is god's word and free of all errors. Why all these folks are translating it again? Did you ask them this, why are you all doing your own translations?
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If the current accepted Quran's translation/understanding is god's word and free of all errors. Why all these folks are translating it again? Did you ask them this, why are you all doing your own translations?
Because they are trying to uncover the traditional mistranslations like for example the so-called "hand cutting verse" Check this forum post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.msg382141#msg382141
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I really hope we are not going off topic because this post is about AlFathia.
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Because they are trying to uncover the traditional mistranslations like for example the so-called "hand cutting verse" Check this forum post https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608169.msg382141#msg382141
So if the previous translators were able to introduce few new meanings? Why not more or all of it? This is exactly the point, I am highlighting by translating and showing linguistic rules for the translating. You can't cover up a stinking shit but spraying the perfume. You need to let all that shit go or it will keep stinking again and again. Which it has been for over 1200 years now.
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So if the previous translators were able to introduce few new meanings? Why not more or all of it? This is exactly the point, I am highlighting by translating and showing linguistic rules for the translating. You can't cover up a stinking shit but spraying the perfume. You need to let all that shit go or it will keep stinking again and again. Which it has been for over 1200 years now.
Woah. That is very unlike you because i have never seen you like that at all. And what do you mean a few? If you have checking other posts like Road of the Patriarch & The Search for Muhammad has Ended by brother Pazuzu. (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0) There is more like these in this forum. I have seen a good bit of it and i am sure there are more of this. I hope you will be in a better mood because i think you may not have a good day.
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is a derivative used in , but you seem to have problems with linguistic comprehension because I've given you the answer. is grammatical and based on the letters which used to be words in themselves once upon a time. I said that is basically 4 different words in one, but morphologically and from grammatical semantics it is + + which is AL - LA - HEH in pronunciation, and this isn't even close to a traditional understanding and I'd be hearing cursing Muslims if I told that openly
Manny, truth and knowledge needs above anything. No fear of any loss should impede one from it. I will leave you to ponder at this.
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Manny, truth and knowledge needs above anything. No fear of any loss should impede one from it. I will leave you to ponder at this.
On that i agree.
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Woah. That is very unlike you because i have never seen you like that at all. And what do you mean a few? If you have checking other posts like Road of the Patriarch & The Search for Muhammad has Ended by brother Pazuzu. (https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0) There is more like these in this forum. I have seen a good bit of it and i am sure there are more of this. I hope you will be in a better mood because i think you may not have a good day.
Sardar, I mean every single word of it. I have spend 14 years of my life on it. I have been swimming against the stream during these years. Everyone, keeps asking me why do you continue to try translating Quran. The only reason is that the concepts of real Quran has potential of solving humanity's all illness. Only if we can clean all the shit they immersed on it. It is time to accept the mistakes of our ancestors. It is also okay to say they made mistakes and they were wrong. Based upon there mistake we have been wrong so far. But here is the pristine constitution that we followed before and here we bring it back by rejecting all that religious shit in the name of Islam has been heaped upon us for centuries. I can see this time is around the corner.
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Sardar, I mean every single word of it. I have spend 14 years of my life on it. I have been swimming against the stream during these years. Everyone, keeps asking me why do you continue to try translating Quran. The only reason is that the concepts of real Quran has potential of solving humanity's all illness. Only if we can clean all the shit they immersed on it. It is time to accept the mistakes of our ancestors. It is also okay to say they made mistakes and they were wrong. Based upon there mistake we have been wrong so far. But here is the pristine constitution that we followed before and here we bring it back by rejecting all that religious shit in the name of Islam has been heaped upon us for centuries. I can see this time is around the corner.
Bold 1 Well on this forum i haven't seen anyone asked that as of now. Bold 2 On that i agree, in fact i never denied of our ancestors mistakes. I agree that Islam is not a religion and not made up rituals. However i have not seen a verse saying anything against religion although Allah does criticizes ancestral tradition.
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Bold 1 Well on this forum i haven't seen anyone asked that. Bold 2 One that i agree, in fact i never denied of our ancestors mistakes. I agree that Islam is not a religion and made up rituals. However i have not seen a verse saying anything against religion although Allah does criticizes ancestral tradition.
The meanings of vary word Allah, denies all gods and religions. Only if there is one to accept it, after due contemplation of various linguistic rules presented, overcoming ones traditional ancestral beliefs.
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The meanings of vary word Allah, denies all gods and religions. Only if there is one to accept it, after due contemplation of various linguistic rules presented, overcoming ones traditional ancestral beliefs.
But i am not sure about that, i have check the root word and it says different from your research, (Not saying multiple gods, only one.) you have seen my previous replies about the root word of Allah have you? If not then please check them out because i do not wish to over-repeat myself.
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But i am not sure about that, i have check the root word and it says different from your research, (Not saying multiple gods, only one.) you have seen my previous replies about the root word of Allah have you? If not then please check them out because i do not wish to over-repeat myself.
There is no one root that can explain written text of word Allah. There is never ever a plausible linguistic explanation given by any traditionalists that can explain all orthographic structure of Allah. Hence, please ponder upon the explanation that I have shared. Take your time.
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There is no one root that can explain written text of word Allah. There is never ever a plausible linguistic explanation given by any traditionalists that can explain all orthographic structure of Allah. Hence, please ponder upon the explanation that I have shared. Take your time.
Actually i share non-traditionalists explanation like Lughaat-Al-Quran (Parvez) & Al-Maany. Lane's Lexicon i am not sure if his lexical meanings are 100% non-traditional but it is very detailed.
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Yet you're trying to understand the word Allah by root definitions.
You are provided with full detailed explanation that you are unable to refute even at one step with linguistic rules, except with your counter explanation that you can't defend even at one step linguistically. Yet you keep arguing. It seems like a lost cause that Muslims will ever be able to perceive correct knowledge.
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I've defended everything I've said. But we enter circular reasoning because there's no more to add.
Your so-called detailed explanation doesn't even contain any comprehensible information and it does absolutely not make any sense linguistically at all. This is nothing I consider "correct knowledge". What kind of intelligent information is "not an object of worship" based on some word which isn't even there. I've refuted you ten times over.
However, (Al-Laheh) is perfectly plausible linguistically and this I've defended linguistically and it's based on how Arabic grammar works. I've said the word is an anomaly within Arabic linguistics and it is a remarkable phenomenon and probably made as an exaggeration of the plain to show a point.
It is only you who is doing circular argument. One final time please give straight answers to following simple question.
- What is the root for ?
- What is the meaning of or its root?
Please don't keep going in circles and waste mutual time. I have asked you these questions repeatedly and you keep dogging every-time.
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- What is the root for ?
- What is the meaning of or its root?
Salam/Peace Manny is not here but i think i have unknowingly showed the answer in page 8 in this discussion topic, check my 77th reply.
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Are you stupid, bkanwar2? Because I'm seriously beginning to wonder.
I said is not a root but a grammatical compound based on Lam and Heh, occurs in Arabic relatively frequently and it's something you can observe. Place on this and you get and the meaning together brings "the (like) to him/her/it". Of course this isn't standard knowledge because it's digging into linguistics and morphology.
is basically the only distinguishable root word in it to find the meaning for.
- Please cite a reference from an accepted Grammar book for this construct of . Nothing in any language that is said is meaningless. What is the meaning of ? Also cite another reference from Quran for ?
- what is the meaning of this root. What is the meaning of all these alphabet together as written? How do you get to these meanings. Give linguistically explanation without using a reference to hearsay, either be of Hadith/history or any other traditional accounts?
