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China Is Creating Matter From Nothingness

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    Jafar
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    Physicists are planning to build lasers so powerful they could rip apart empty space
    http//www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/01/physicists-are-planning-build-lasers-so-powerful-they-could-rip-apart-empty-space

    The basic theory is still the same E=MC2

    But reversing of what has been done today, creating massive energy from masses (Nuclear Reaction to generate electricity, power submarines / carriers or blow up the earth)
    This time around is creating masses / matter from energy.

    The advancement of human knowledge today about the universe has revealed that there isn't such thing as "empty space" or "nothingness" in this universe. Electron and it's "nemesis" Positron continuously appeared and disappeared as they 'paired up' together.

    The high energy laser above was invented to 'disrupt' such cycle, to keep the just appearing electron and positron separate (thus masses are created). The energy will also disrupt the state of the electron and positron that it will release a gamma ray, which then shall produces more (separated) electron and positron, literally more masses / matter.

    The mechanism is explained in this video
    Superintense Laser Could Create Matter From Energy
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aux0Vs5w0o

    This attempt is a re-creation what infamously known as

    Yehi' Or (Hebrew for Let there be light)
    -- Genesis 13

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      Rilum
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      Yes but this matter was not created from real nothingness, but energy The appearing and disappering Positron and Electron pairs are energy

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        huruf
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        Apart from knowledge and capacity

        what can be gained by spending energy to create matter?

        Salaam

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          Makaveli
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          I support E_Manny's vision on this one.

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            Jafar
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            Yes but this matter was not created from real nothingness, but energy The appearing and disappering Positron and Electron pairs are energy.

            As it turns out nothingness doesn't exist in this universe.
            There is always something everywhere...

            A further inquiry might be
            Where did those positron and electron came from?
            And where do they go when they disappear?

            Apart from knowledge and capacity
            what can be gained by spending energy to create matter?

            A very good question to be asked once human understood the actual mechanism..

            But since Chinese government has agreed to slot $1 B from their budget for this they might already have thought out the potential use-case. Usually when militaristic government is interested in this one of the potential use case is... drum roll military purposes?

            Energy can't be spent, only transformed. This is why sun beams are never stopping unless absorbed by something. This is why theoretically with the right technique you could create matter from the mysterious energetic phenomenon which projects this universe.

            You are referring to 1st law of thermodynamics dubbed conservation of energy?
            It's true on some condition yet we know now that it's not true for all condition. Or falsifiable on certain condition. (Yes.. falsifying an idea with better idea is not a "crime" in scientific community unlike in religion)

            Mass can "disappear", energy can "disappear", light/photon can "disappear".. as even time and space fabric the foundation existence for mass and energy existence; according to our view frame; can also "disappear".

            There's science-fiction dealing with theories such as the synthesizer or the replicator from Star Trek. Should be fully possible if you learn how to assemble molecules from atoms.
            But no one has been able to form atoms from the raw energetic projection yet and it's questionable how it'd be possible.

            The experiment above will prove that it is possible..

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              Jafar
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              The supernatural source which made the universe into existence by massive expansion simply chose to project energy into a specific kind of atom and how you'd be able to recreate this process is farfetched since the source simply chose that this atom is as such and by certain rules. The universe is projected out of mere mental willpower and this energy is which is visualized through Quantum Mechanics.

              By massive expansion, are you refering to the 'big bang' event?
              Big bang event was not an initial expansion of atom / matter.
              It was the initial expansion of space and time fabric itself..

              If it's a theater show then it was setting the stage..
              Matter came afterwards, matter in this case will be the actor and actresses appearing on stage with their varieties. The research above is focusing on creating the actor and actresses from an 'empty' stage.
              And not creating the 'stage' (the time and space fabric)

              But how are you going to control the will of another being who's obviously more powerful than you are and force them through technology to shape matter according to your will? Technology which is bound to the laws of nature.

              By "another being who's obviously more powerful " are you referring to "God"?
              Human definitely love to control it / him / her.. as human is a control freak species..

              And the way to control God / Deities, according to some human, is through performing prescribed ritual, such as uttering mantra / incantation, praying, offering sacrifices (virgins is preffered), walking around a black stone, buying and reading holy books and many more..

              They call it more of "persuading" the God / Deities, since 'controlling' is a 'harsher' words, they hope that the God / Deities will be happy and abide / grant them their will, such as but not limited to Fighting the Phillistines, Murdering Pharaoh's first born son, Striking fear into the kufr heart, basically do bad things to their enemy or also to conjure up rain and zillion of other stuff...

              Nonetheless it has nothing to do with the above experiment, the above experiment is not planning to do those stuff and / or to control or persuade a god...

              At best you can use available atoms to form molecules, but you won't be able to force the quantum vibrations to form atoms out of alleged nothingness because it's not you who control the world's existence. Theoretically you could "clone" atoms which is basically what the scientists here are doing, but you need the source material for the work and this isn't creating out of nothingness but using a sort of blueprint. This is because you don't know what makes atoms take shape as this isn't in your control.

              The experiment is to create sub particles of atoms NOT from other normal and stable sub particles of atoms but from abnormal and unstable positron and electron which continuously appear and disappear throughout the fabric of space and time.

              Nothingness in this space and time doesn't exist... there are always something....

              What kind of 'matter' that will be formed? Hidrogen? Helium? or others.. or perhaps something new? or none at all due to it's instability?
              That is the question that the above experiments are still trying to find an answer..

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                I'm using supernatural because I avoid using the term "God". It's also a way not to get into irrelevant discussions about monotheism or polytheism, I'm just referring to the supernatural, super - natural or above nature, which is beyond the world's projection. But my worldview is a little complex, there's a mono - platform with poly - individuality. It takes an A4 paper to properly elaborate on it, probably.

                God exist even when even no time and space exist.

                The fact remains the same, the people are cloning available atoms and aren't so to say manufacturing new "models". It's incredible nevertheless and could solve humanity's poverty as you could clone or replicate food from carbon. You could basically take any organic material from the ground and convert it to food to eat.

                It is not 'cloning' available atoms.. but bringing 'particles' into 'long held existence' before the particles goes into 'non existence'. Where non-existence defined as the suddenly appearing electron tied up with positron and then "poof", gone from this space and time. The 'laser' will be used to disrupt such cycle as thus the suddenly appearing electron will not be tied up with positron and then go "poof".

                This will also enable us to understand how "matter" get formed after the time and space has been spread out.

                It might not be practical to use it to clone or replicate food... given the amount of energy required to do so.

                The problem is that the human instinct will probably lead to the planet being destroyed before it can come to use and if it against all odds is made then it'll fall into greedy hands and people will remain poor anyways.

                The planet earth will eventually be destroyed.. but human might not take any part in it's 'destruction'. We have studied the lifecycle of stars and can predict that the same pattern will also happened to the star named sun. It will eventually died in an explosion, before doing so it will grew larger larger and larger engulfing the encircling planets.

                Yet human might not be exist during such time (approximately 12 billion years from now).. or if they do then human might have 'evolved' into 'something else'.

                But technically, no one would be forced to work for money and we the world could look like in Star Trek where money is no longer in use. However, the fighting is over the atoms/resources instead so that technology can be replicated. Sadly people can't be content with their mental ability and food for the day but need trophies.

                Human economical system will definitely evolve and new system might replace the old (current) one in just few centuries ahead.

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