Palavers about Qur'aan.
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It is true for any word then.
Say "bread" "bread" or "water" "water" or "mazhar" Mazhar" or so on and so forth, before people few times and see what response you get. It is also conveying them nothing. All words have their own meanings and when used in sentences they make a statement.
No, it is not true. Please read what is meant by a noun. Nouns do not need help of other words for meanings.
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What else then you think it means
Brother you have done a lot of hard work on your web site. I randomly scrolled through few pages and found how you have translated 2127. You can do your research to understand if al-bait = a stone structure in the Quran or not.
What I understood from other verses of the Quran that traditional story and translation of these verses is not as per the Arabic text. In my humble understanding at this time al-bait means the Divine system /guidance of Allah swt. Some of these verses are
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How can a small stone cube be a ?
How you clean Allah's bait?
How can you raise foundations from the bait?
What al-birr has to do with entering a house from its back?
Brother you have to find your own satisfied meanings to these verses in stead of following others. Reflect and see how the meanings are as per context and how they go with the overall message of the Quran.
It is not to win or defeat but to find out better understanding of the Quran.
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No, it is not true. Please read what is meant by a noun. Nouns do not need help of other words for meanings.
Bread is a noun. If you keep on saying bread, bread, bread what it means. You have to make a statement. Same with "min". If you keep on saying from, from, from it does not convey a meaningful message.
So all words have their meanings on their own and convey a meaningful message when used in a sentence. Of course its my humble understanding and you have all the rights to disagree.
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Bread is a noun. If you keep on saying bread, bread, bread what it means. You have to make a statement. Same with "min". If you keep on saying from, from, from it does not convey a meaningful message.
So all words have their meanings on their own and convey a meaningful message when used in a sentence. Of course its my humble understanding and you have all the rights to disagree.
Pl see any book of English grammar to find what is definition of a preposition, a noun and verb.
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Brother you have done a lot of hard work on your web site. I randomly scrolled through few pages and found how you have translated 2127. You can do your research to understand if al-bait = a stone structure in the Quran or not.
What I understood from other verses of the Quran that traditional story and translation of these verses is not as per the Arabic text. In my humble understanding at this time al-bait means the Divine system /guidance of Allah swt. Some of these verses are
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How can a small stone cube be a ?
How you clean Allah's bait?
How can you raise foundations from the bait?
What al-birr has to do with entering a house from its back?
Brother you have to find your own satisfied meanings to these verses in stead of following others. Reflect and see how the meanings are as per context and how they go with the overall message of the Quran.
It is not to win or defeat but to find out better understanding of the Quran.
What these sentences mean in your understanding? Better to give only of 2127.
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What these sentences mean in your understanding? Better to give only of 2127.
Brother I already given my understanding of "AL-Bait" as under
What I understood from other verses of the Quran that traditional story and translation of these verses is not as per the Arabic text. In my humble understanding at this time al-bait means the Divine system /guidance of Allah swt.
and when Ibrahim was raising foundations/fundamentals from the Divine Guidance/sytem.
Below is a quote from Brother Wakas's article.
From http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
If the "bayt" mentioned in 396 is the cuboid called Kaabah in Makkah, then this has some issues
- a building is never described as a "guidance" elsewhere in AQ. However a community/nation can guide (e.g. 7159, 7181, 2173)
- according to traditional Islamic history the cuboid called Kaabah has been demolished and rebuilt several times - if so, does its status as a "guidance" and "securing" become temporarily suspended at these times?
- what are the clear signs in the cuboid called Kaabah? Is there even any? It is very rare for people to enter it today.
- I am not aware of any non-Islamic source that states Abraham was in the area of Makkah, nor any prophet/messenger thereafter.
- in present day Makkah, the alleged "maqam Ibrahim" (stone imprint of Abraham's footsteps) is outside the cuboid called Kaabah, not inside it like the verses say.
- I am not aware of any source which cites a place called Makkah or a cuboid called Kaabah prior to traditional Islamic sources.
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Brother I already given my understanding of "AL-Bait" as under
and when Ibrahim was raising foundations/fundamentals from the Divine Guidance/sytem.
Below is a quote from Brother Wakas's article.
From http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
If the "bayt" mentioned in 396 is the cuboid called Kaabah in Makkah, then this has some issues
- a building is never described as a "guidance" elsewhere in AQ. However a community/nation can guide (e.g. 7159, 7181, 2173)
- according to traditional Islamic history the cuboid called Kaabah has been demolished and rebuilt several times - if so, does its status as a "guidance" and "securing" become temporarily suspended at these times?
- what are the clear signs in the cuboid called Kaabah? Is there even any? It is very rare for people to enter it today.
- I am not aware of any non-Islamic source that states Abraham was in the area of Makkah, nor any prophet/messenger thereafter.
- in present day Makkah, the alleged "maqam Ibrahim" (stone imprint of Abraham's footsteps) is outside the cuboid called Kaabah, not inside it like the verses say.
- I am not aware of any source which cites a place called Makkah or a cuboid called Kaabah prior to traditional Islamic sources.
Is used anywhere as The Guidance/System either in Qur'aan or even in any literature?
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- a building is never described as a "guidance" elsewhere in AQ. However a community/nation can guide (e.g. 7159, 7181, 2173)
Perhaps Wakas is not familiar with figures of speech.
Personification is a figure of speech in which a thing ? an idea or an animal ? is given human attributes. The non-human objects are portrayed in such a way that we feel they have the ability to act like human beings. For example, when we say, ?The sky weeps,? we are giving the sky the ability to cry, which is a human quality. Thus, we can say that the sky has been personified in the given sentence.
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Is used anywhere as The Guidance/System either in Qur'aan or even in any literature?
Please try yourself using guidance/divine system in verses 2124 -127 and then decide what make sense. For me al-bait = the house in these verses create many questions.
I understand al-bait in which one seeks peace and safety. The verses are saying al-bait is peace and security for human being.
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Please try yourself using guidance/divine system in verses 2124 -127 and then decide what make sense. For me al-bait = the house in these verses create many questions.
I understand al-bait in which one seeks peace and safety. The verses are saying al-bait is peace and security for human being.
If some thing creates many questions, one option to consider that I am not understanding some statement.
Firstly you thought it means "foundations from the Divine Guidance/System". Now you say, "He was raising the foundations of peace and security for human being".
Please put either of these words for Albait in the Ayahs and see for yourself what you get any sensible thing.
By the way no harm in studying Lane Lexicon on Bait.
Lane's Lexicon Bait
Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n
a) Total occurrences 73
b) No of constructions 30
It occurs in 54 Ayahs in 29 Chapters
Nouns 26 Recurrence 68 Verbs 4 Recurrence 5
Ibn Faris stated
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That it conveys the meanings of residence, abode, house; and place to return to, retreat, resort; and meeting point of union, assembly.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(151).htm
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If some thing creates many questions, one option to consider that I am not understanding some statement.
Brother questions, in this case, are raised because canonized translations are not giving satisfactory answers. So next option is to think out of box.
Firstly you thought it means "foundations from the Divine Guidance/System". Now you say, "He was raising the foundations of peace and security for human being".
Purpose of discussion is not to prove that I am right and you are wrong. You are free to stick to your understanding. But please do not play with words. Read again what you have quoted and then read my post again to find out what I said. Peace and security is through following Divine system/guidance not by going around a stone building.
By the way no harm in studying Lane Lexicon on Bait.
If you think that "al-bait=the house" then how you satisfy these questions
The house of God had 360 idols and prophet and his companions used to prostrate facing those idols. They used to go around those idols.
People can get peace and security by going round this cube and kissing a black stone.
No record from non-muslim sources that prophet Ibrahim or his followers performed these rituals in Mecca before Muslim.
Jews and Christians never claimed Mecca as their religious gathering center and never come to perform hajj there as per recorded history - Muslim or non-Muslim.
No proof of even the alleged founder of this house Prophet Ibrahim, living in Mecca other than Muslim sources.
Before Prophet Muhammad birds were sent to save Kaaba but afterwards Kaaba has been attacked many times but no birds came to save it.
The supreme God needs a house on earth. etc. etc.
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Brother questions, in this case, are raised because canonized translations are not giving satisfactory answers. So next option is to think out of box.
Purpose of discussion is not to prove that I am right and you are wrong. You are free to stick to your understanding. But please do not play with words. Read again what you have quoted and then read my post again to find out what I said. Peace and security is through following Divine system/guidance not by going around a stone building.
If you think that "al-bait=the house" then how you satisfy these questions
The house of God had 360 idols and prophet and his companions used to prostrate facing those idols. They used to go around those idols.
People can get peace and security by going round this cube and kissing a black stone.
No record from non-muslim sources that prophet Ibrahim or his followers performed these rituals in Mecca before Muslim.
Jews and Christians never claimed Mecca as their religious gathering center and never come to perform hajj there as per recorded history - Muslim or non-Muslim.
No proof of even the alleged founder of this house Prophet Ibrahim, living in Mecca other than Muslim sources.
Before Prophet Muhammad birds were sent to save Kaaba but afterwards Kaaba has been attacked many times but no birds came to save it.
The supreme God needs a house on earth. etc. etc.
I am not interested in what people gossip and what questions arise in your mind.
We are talking about translating one language text to another language text. Then you are at liberty to visualize anything you wish to visualize.
To help you translating the text, firstly note, how all ayahs begin. They begin with same time adverb. This way of describing is called Alliteration in academics; and it is narrative. You may be aware narrative is account of real-life events.
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I am not interested in what people gossip and what questions arise in your mind.
Brother I do care what questions rise after reading a translation. The Quran is a book of guidance and it should convey the message for all readers.
We are talking about translating one language text to another language text. Then you are at liberty to visualize anything you wish to visualize.
To help you translating the text, firstly note, how all ayahs begin. They begin with same time adverb. This way of describing is called Alliteration in academics; and it is narrative. You may be aware narrative is account of real-life events.
It is very unfortunate that a simple message is made so complicated by terminology and complicated words. The writer says that the Quran is easy ....
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The translation of the Arabic text of 2127 word by word is
"and when Ibrahim was raising the foundations from the house...."
It shows the house was already there. That leads to next question that how could the foundations be raised from an existing house.
I understand you do not care what questions arise but what is the use of translation if it cannot satisfy a reader.
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Brother I do care what questions rise after reading a translation. The Quran is a book of guidance and it should convey the message for all readers.
It is very unfortunate that a simple message is made so complicated by terminology and complicated words. The writer says that the Quran is easy ....
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The translation of the Arabic text of 2127 word by word is
"and when Ibrahim was raising the foundations from the house...."
It shows the house was already there. That leads to next question that how could the foundations be raised from an existing house.
I understand you do not care what questions arise but what is the use of translation if it cannot satisfy a reader.
Why not you come forward with that which yu think the text of these Ayah means?
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Please see it is no sentence. Make it a complete sentence and event starting from 2124 to get an idea what is being talked about therein.
Ok brother I will try in shaa Allah
and when gave opportunity to develop potentials Ibrahim his Rub with some commands and he completed them He said I am making you for mankind a leader he said and from my progeny He said does not reach my promise to those who deviate from the right path.
and when we made the system that bring together mankind and peace giving and attain from the stature of Ibrahim a following and we insisted to Ibrahim and Ismail that purify my system for those who keep vigil and resolve problems and who submit.
and when said Ibrahim my Rub make this land peace giving and provide its people from fruits who believe among them with Allah and the accountability He said and who reject then I will provide him a little then drag him to punishment of fire and a vile end of journey.
and when raising Ibrahim the foundations from the system and Ismail our Rub accept from us you the listener the knowledgeable.
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Okay.
Firstly Allah made the system.
And then Ibrahim (as) started raising the foundations from the system.
Yes Allah SWT made the system and revealed it to Ibrahim. Mankind has always received guidance from Allah SWT through His messengers.
Ibrahim raised foundations from the system for mankind to follow. That is how mankind can adopt Ibrahim's stature for following.