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Why doesnt Allh SWT speak directly to women

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    Someone pointed this out and i really wanna please help me..

    In Arabic pronouns are of three types namely single, dual or plural.

    The plural pronoun could be either for males only or a mixture of male and female.

    when addressed to females only, a female pronoun is used.

    The context will inform us if address is to males only or male and female both. Like huruf wrote when command is given to pay ujuruhunna, it is for men only.

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      Jafar
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      Someone pointed this out and i really wanna please help me..

      God speaks to all beings regardless of gender and using any means of 'communication'.

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        jkhan
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        @ betterlife?. Hope you mean why God Doesn't address WOMEN in QURAN directly and in general throughout instead of MEN... Anyhow i would like to furnish my thoughts as under.

        In fact as far as I am aware through the Book of God, I have not come across any such instances where God spoke to a living being directly (with its exact meaning). God has spoken to Men, Angels and probably Jin (iblees). They are not direct by any means.

        God specifically says He taught to Adam names of everything and was asking the angels to name them,.. but they failed.. but Adam knew.. So, God has definitely taught something extra and given much priority to this human being though we both (Men and Jin) are created for testing We, human is prioritized for whatever the hidden reasons.. That?s clear by the revealing books to Men and made the Jin to listen to it and not directly sent to them any book of their own (not mentioned in quran such Book). And don?t forget God ordered all Angels to serve/submit to Adam (Wife not stated).. meanwhile we don?t see such statement of Serve / Submit to any other creature but only to human. And all creations Heaven and Earth and whatever between them is for us and subjected(mainly for human and for Jin)
        So, according to the topic, Adam is a significant character here. Of course Adam was a male and he was taught by his Lord things which are required for him and his generation.. Astonishing to me always is why God didn?t teach to Adam?s wife (probably Eve), so, it is clear that Adam only would have taught during the course of life everything to his Wife to streamline things. Was his wife created to sooth Adam and still She has a part to play as a human to achieve her ultimate goal of Janna being as a woman?

        Isn?t that be a key reason why God speak to Man in general in quran unless specifically refer a topic to other gender or other creatures (i.e. bees). When God says..? O you who believe..? it is clear it referred to Man (Mu?min) and not woman (Mu?minath) , but we got to take it to both in the end since it is the pattern and since we are human in general ?
        Even when we consider the verses such as ? ?..Mates whom no Men or Jin has touched..? Can we really think it refers to Man? No for me.. Even why those who serve foods to the inhabitants of Paradise is Male Boys?
        Even the all the prophets were male and this may be also reason why God speaks in His book to Man and not women in general, unless and otherwise specifically to a topic. Even Angel who came in the form of human to meet Abraham and Lot etc. or probably the one who brought the messages of God came in the form of human (male).. there can be a big reason, it doesn?t mean women are mean by no means. Priority is pretty clear. I wonder in one verse God says, ?How can I have a son while I don?t have a wife ..? and further in another verse, ? if we wanted to pastime, we would have chosen from what we created..? Do you get a Gender for Him by these verses? let?s not ascribe, coz, we don?t know the unseen?

        I wonder sometimes, when I take the verses in to consideration, Will All human being who are destined for Jannah (only) will be transfigured to Men and not women? I asked a question to few of my friends who are allegedly believing women taking quran (and some still take hadith too) as their guidance. Actually I asked them, do you like to be born as Man in the Jannah.. 80% percent of them says Yes.. and why? So we can be stronger and would be able to enjoy what god has prepared for us? And if we go to paradise, it means we have done things to deserve equal to what man has done.. so why we should get re-born as bit weaker in the form of women.. Some said hard to think.. will come to know while actually in paradise, which gender would be apt.. I asked, are you happy being women in this world.. almost all said Yes? but had we had the strength of man and sort of freedom they have would be fine? but all in all we are fine as we are? But I asked few of male friends.. Do you like to be as a women? Almost all of them said with smile in their face, BIG NO?in this world or hereafter.. What actually a soul needs?

        God created us into two genders just to test us? but after the test is over will it remain same? Or Male only..Most probably? God knows best? let?s wait and see till the day of Resurrection? No point digging it..

        O Betterlife?. No one would be able to grasp why God doesn?t address women directly in quran? And no need to both gender for same message?. but His messages are crystal clear to any Gender? Remember well, coz this is the same quran Jin took for guidance after (Torah) regardless of Gender or being a creature entirely different to human? Hope you got me?

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          huruf
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          I supose women are flat as well and that is why God does not address them. Why should He? Only when they become spherical will god address women.

          Really, what a pity!

          So many good men in the world and only the deluded ones parade the maleness as it it was some certification of superiority and overness.

          Do realise how ridiculous that all seems, when one compares that with real honest men who do not pretend the silly and ignorant things you promote?

          So since God dos nto address women directly OI guess whould addres God dirctly either. By handwritten letter, or by what?

          It is all too pitiful.

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            good_logic
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            Sister furuf, I am afraid you need a man to write the letter for you ,God will then accept it!!!

            You see, when GOD says "Ibadi" ,of course GOD means "men" only. So when "Ibadi" ask about GOD and pray ,GOD only answers "men" if any woman dares to pray as well!,she is wasting her time!!!!
            In general GOD created men to lord it over women, the role of women is to only bring these " men lords" into this world and care for them .Men s role there after is to oppress women!!!!
            Wishful thinking indeed for some deluded men.
            GOD bless all the females and males equally .
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              I supose women are flat as well and that is why God does not address them. Why should He? Only when they become spherical will god address women.

              Really, what a pity!

              So many good men in the world and only the deluded ones parade the maleness as it it was some certification of superiority and overness.

              Do realise how ridiculous that all seems, when one compares that with real honest men who do not pretend the silly and ignorant things you promote?

              So since God dos nto address women directly OI guess whould addres God dirctly either. By handwritten letter, or by what?

              It is all too pitiful.

              Salaam huruf

              Male Chauvinist

              noun
              1.
              a male who patronizes, disparages, or otherwise denigrates females in the belief that they are inferior to males and thus deserving of less than equal treatment or benefit.

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                huruf
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                Salaam huruf

                Male Chauvinist

                noun
                1.
                a male who patronizes, disparages, or otherwise denigrates females in the belief that they are inferior to males and thus deserving of less than equal treatment or benefit.

                And the wort part of it is that thereby they reduce God to their own miserable size.

                I guess the ability to delude oneself makes for a happy life.

                Salaam

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                  huruf
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                  ?I forgot!

                  Congratulations males, God speaks directly to you all. And to no woman. You are all, but all o you, even murderers and Trump and Bush, so special. I am so very awed.

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                    jkhan
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                    Truth is truth though women get unpleasant... Quran speaks at certain tone and that tone any gender can perceive men are prioritized or not... i didn't bring all the clear prejudiced verses, if so it could be worse... If Man or Woman, God's will is the ultimate... if you believe in quran so that you got to surrender completely... God has his preference in everything... that no one can deny... When God spoke to Moses without any messenger involvement that is a clear preference.. When God preferred Abraham it is clear difference... We cant believe in God with our own wish in mind(then we go against).. we have to surrender to what He has willed...
                    God clearly has given preference to Man than women in quran.. and God clearly has given preference to human than any other creature... that's quran... so no one can deny it.. the way Iblees denied it being proud against human is clear verdict of arrogance.. if woman is not superior in the site of God that's His will... But for those good hearts are most important... but He has given in all angle preference to Man.... that's glaring evidence we can see in everything around..

                    Women reproduce, So one can think God could have made the Woman (Eve) first and let the Adam to be born through her without a father.. If Jesus could have born through Mary, it is possible... But not.. He gave preference to Adam and then only made his partner...
                    When God speaks of Prophet Mohamed's wives, "if you dont reform, We will provide him (mohamed) better wives, virgin or previously married in place you(wives of prophet).." preference is manifest...
                    If women get angry on this, that means she goes against God's will and if Man support on this to woman to sooth her, that also a clear ignorance of the Sunnah(way) of God..
                    No creature can ask why we are underprivileged... For example animals cannot pose why need to be sacrificed for men to eat... Angels cannot deny why we need to serve men, We can't pose question why we are Negro while You created others Whiter or other.. It's preference of God... Everything has it's own duty as the way it is created.. Human is superior and in that man gender has been given with clear priority... Quran speaks and the world pattern proves it... Not only in Men in every creature, Male is stronger, that's God's way...
                    When Hud Huda (bird) of Soloman came with the news of a female ruler, soloman could have appreciated it. But no... He even wanted to wage war unless she surrender...but She became a muslim..Technology improved and women are involved in everything doesn't mean they have overtaken men... It's not the pattern of God... We are two genders and in need of both in life... But God's way is His way..
                    Unless one calm down and think of each and every verse of God, He or she won't understand it precisely...
                    Accept it or deny it, God has not given the same priority to women as man in this world... That's undeniable...
                    I love women, But i love my Lord more than anything, God's verses cannot be denied with love of Mother or women...

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                      good_logic
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                      Peace jkhan.
                      You are again making verses speak your language and project your bias.

                      GOD did not prefer "Imraati Imran" nor did GOD preferred Mary ,the way you claim GOD preferred Moses, Abraham...etc. GOD does not prefer nor has any bias towards humans
                      Inna Akramakum Inda Allah Atquakum!!!! Humans should work for the privilege of GOD s approval.

                      Whoever works good works( is on the straight path...) male or female gets the privilege. Nothing to do with GOD s preference but all to do with GOD s justice and fairness. Unlike what you are claiming for Qoran!!!

                      Common brother,the thoughts/ideas in your head about women are ingrained by some human/traditional influence that needs cleansing.

                      Keep reading/studying Qoran and follow the best path instructed by GOD in it. Prejudice has never been part of any instruction by Qoran.
                      Hope you ponder more what GOD is really saying to you bother.
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        huruf
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                        Any man or woman who despises women or sets them as lesser is pitiful, he or she is not aware of reality, of God's rahma. "Honour" or higher nd lower is not what God puts at work in His creation and particularly on HUman kind. God's law for human kind is rahma. If we do not get closer to God through rahma you will get closer to God through hell. The matrices of women and all matrices are the vehicles of rahma, as the very word shows. If you despise what has made you a living being you are despising God's rahma, and choosing hell, because in fact you would rather not have been born.

                        Men or women who despise women or "make" them lesser are making themselves lesser, nobody else. Women will continue being women and being the givers of life, notwithstanding the vanity and stupidity of any male or female who are blind to God's rahma and pick on stupidites like "stndings" and preferences.

                        Men and owmen who despise women and make them lesser or subservient, in fact are very, very pitiful, and many times really laughable.

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                          Mohammad_bin_Salman
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                          why did allahh swt not sent a female messnger or prophet ?

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                            huruf
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                            Has He not?

                            For those who do not find ans female messenger it is clear why He would not send them they do not want them. They run away from them. They are like the people of Lut the abhorr women.

                            Salaam

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                              simonejamilla
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                              In my opinion God speaks to the men to warn them about their Buffoonery at times. rotfl

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                                huruf
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                                In my opinion God speaks to the men to warn them about their Buffoonery at times. rotfl

                                Quite on target.

                                Salaam

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