Translating 2:196
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No biases, academic rules are void of biases.
I wonder, what is your linguistic sources? I noticed you mention Ibn Faris a lot which if i am correct, he is lexical author of Maqayis Al-Lugha.
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I wonder, what is your linguistic sources? I noticed you mention Ibn Faris a lot which if i am correct, he is lexical author of Maqayis Al-Lugha.
Yes, he gives the perception towards which a Root leads. That perception is always included in all the words stemming from that Root.
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Academic.
And you are directed to conclude the Hajj and Uemraa Sacred Visitation for which ever you had come in reverence for Allah the Exalted.
Thereat, subject to you having been blockaded-denied permission to perform it you are only required to deliver whatever sacrifice is readily available as accompanying garlanded mammals designated for slaughter.
And you people should not remove hair-shave heads for such time that the sacrificial mammal might reach the destined point; consumed-distributed.
However, if someone among you is sick, or with itching-irritation persisting in his head he is faced with, necessitating removal of hair or avoidance of shaving, thereby to avoid the stated course an absolver is due upon him of choice; fasting, or to gift something to needy, or do any good act.
Subject to you are afforded security-permission for entry, thereat, if some one wished to avail the benefit of Uem'raa visit towards Hajj he shall sacrifice what is conveniently available to him.
However, he who does not find to comply with this injunction he shall fast for three days during Hajj and for seven days on return to native place.
This will make fast for ten days completely. This injunction is for him who is non-resident of Sacred Mosque.
And you people sincerely endeavour to attain the protection from Allah the Exalted;Rational Academic.
196((1 ?AND secure fully your intended target of faith ( ) and then remodel your living ( ) for the sake of God ( ). But if you are surrounded by hostile circumstances, then follow that part of the guidance which may deem easier to you. And do not encircle or approach (ا your chieftains ( ) until the principles of guidance ( ) have reached ( ) their target and have become well established ( ). In spite of that, if one of you suffers from deficiency in knowledge, or is put in a difficult/painful state by his local chief/commander/authority, then he must either compensate for it (ٌ by educating himself in the discipline of self-restraint ( ٍ, or try to prove his righteousness (ٍ, or work more for his inner purification (ٍ. And then, when things settle down, those who have been blessed with a pious living ( ), and have achieved their target of faith in God ( ّ, they must abide by what has become easy and available for them from the precious rules of guidance. As for those to whom such has not become easy yet, they must undergo three rounds of training in self restraint (ُ in the course of their intended target of faith ( ) As for those who have abandoned or turned back from this mission altogether, it will be necessary to undergo many rounds of training ( ). This is how a perfect divine community if formed ( ٌ. This particular course of action is prescribed for those groups of people who are still not qualified or competent ( ُ to submit to the respected commandments/laws/regulations, or to remain in obedience to them ( ). Nevertheless you all must collectively remain conscious of God and be constantly aware that Allah is severe in retribution.?
What is this academics?
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Yes, he gives the perception towards which a Root leads. That perception is always included in all the words stemming from that Root.
peace mazhar ,
hope it will help what they are asking you can give them answers like this.
where did ibn faris learn all this from ?
what was his source and how reliable that source was?
who authorised his work? = God/Messenger
is anything in his finding disagree by co workers in past and present time?
who set laws behind any grammer ? ( person ) or God
did God use the grammer rules what made by humans ?POINT TO PONDER
did humans take all the rules of grammer from quran if it so then they know the true grammer we can found in the words of God thats how all scholars clocked out and then slowly slowly things take advance shape and linguists give things name like parts of speech and parts of parts of speech too ?
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POINT TO PONDER
did humans take all the rules of grammer from quran if it so then they know the true grammer we can found in the words of God thats how all scholars clocked out and then slowly slowly things take advance shape and linguists give things name like parts of speech and parts of parts of speech too ?
I m pondering,, how can they take all the rules of grammar from quran did God sent quran to teach grammar
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peace all,
I am currently writing the follow up to my SuJuD article, and I was able to prove (or at least, heavily weight it in favour of) the translation for 2196 I gave above. Just thought I'd let you all know.
2196 And complete the conference/symposium and the visit for God.
So if you are prevented/restrained (from doing this) then (give) what is easy of the offering and do not relieve/cancel/cut-short your chiefs (of this duty) until the offering reaches its permitted/lawful place,
so whoever from among you was sick (singular) or with/by/in him hurt/harm/annoyance from his chief then redeem from abstinence/fast or charity or observance.
So when (time adverb) you (plural) are safe/secure (i.e. in the designated vicinty) then whoever benefited/enjoyed in/by/with the visit to the conference/symposium then (give) what is easy of the offering so whoever couldn't find (singular) then an abstinence/fast three days during the conference/symposium and seven when you (plural) returned, this is ten complete.
That is for one whose people are not at-hand/present (at) the inviolable time of acknowledgement/SJD, and be conscious of God and know that God is severe in punishment.
2197 (For) The conference/symposium (are) the months/full-moons well known...Let us start first analyzing word by word, without jumping forward before one is clear.
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Conjunction particle can be taken either as Appositive conjunction meaning the discourse is continued with the preceding contents.
Or it can be taken as Recommencing particle initiating a new topic related to the ongoing discourse.Verb Imperative; Second person; plural; masculine; ; Subject Pronoun, Nominative state; Verbal Noun.
It thus shows us that the type of text is Injunctive - Directive.
Such texts are concerned with concrete immediate or future activity. Central to these texts are imperatives. This can include anything from prayer to request, to advice, exhortation, decrees and laws. Parameters are then examined with the goal of distinguishing legal texts from other types of directives. The behavioral discourse type is subdivided to include hortatory [urging course of action strongly advising a course of action to somebody), characterized by imperative verb forms and other verb forms which communicate the desire for the speaker to do a certain action. Directive discourse is often accompanied by some kind of information as well as argumentation. Argumentation can consist of the communicative purposes of informing and expressing opinions which serve the purpose of convincing the recipient of the value of complying to the directive.
The commands are issued by using such words which are in the vocabulary of and conveniently understandable by the of ordinary prudence and are used in their primary meanings.
Caution It is matter of common sense that injunctions are not interpreted by substituting the words of original command. Those who do so, they simply adhere not to basic academic principles of translation and interpretation of texts in target language text, level of scholarship notwithstanding.The verb denotes an activity which has already been undertaken and is in process which is being ordered to be accomplished.
Agreed Yes or NO? If no what is your different view about it.
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I m pondering,, how can they take all the rules of grammar from quran did God sent quran to teach grammar
definately not,
God dnt bother about things what are related to acadamies because he knows the hard academic terms and their concepts is not for slow learners to grasp it and thats why when he command something eveyone can understand even the book claim itself as a clearing book not a grammer book
but you did not see where i m coming from
basically the first well known book of classical arabic was Quran i said wellknown ( because i dnt know if there were any other classical arabic book was there as per history ) so logically when scholars read the sentence structure and the rules what used by the reciever of text to explain it to general public they do their math and then they generate the structure of that language text and then they see how the language is working in this text.so if everybody is filtering their method through quran then its mean a source book cant b wrong about grammer as you already picked your rules from that book and when u rectify the errors you rectify them through quran isnt it?
by the way my questions are for mazhar bhai and answers will give all other people knowldege becoz i feel mazhar bhai got excellent knowledge of grammer so let him share with us.
blessing in the name of God
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God dnt bother about things what are related to acadamies because he knows the hard academic terms and their concepts is not for slow learners to grasp it and thats why when he command something eveyone can understand even the book claim itself as a clearing book not a grammer book
No brother. Allah the Exalted is the Author. And no author including His Majesty has exception to deviate from the rules of the language he has opted to communicate with his audience.
The author including Allah the Exalted has to write the book keeping in mind the cognitive capability of his audience, otherwise the effort is a waste activity.
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Yes, he gives the perception towards which a Root leads. That perception is always included in all the words stemming from that Root.
A friend of mine also uses Maqayis Al-Lugha for his study the words from Allah/God in Al-Qur'an/The Reading because he said that the classical arabic lexicon studies the root definition.
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A friend of mine also uses Maqayis Al-Lugha for his study the words from Allah/God in Al-Qur'an/The Reading because he said that the classical arabic lexicon studies the root definition.
Yes I have found it so far the best. Except one human error I found in one Root (that also disclosed to me he, Allah bless him, was not a drinker) his work on cross checking with Qur'aan is most accurate.
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Yes I have found it so far the best. Except one human error I found in one Root (that also disclosed to me he, Allah bless him, was not a drinker) his work on cross checking with Qur'aan is most accurate.
What was the error? And what do you mean "he was not a drinker"?
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Let us not divert from 2196. Will reply you through message.
You are correct. I'll wait for your message.
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No brother. Allah the Exalted is the Author. And no author including His Majesty has exception to deviate from the rules of the language he has opted to communicate with his audience.
The author including Allah the Exalted has to write the book keeping in mind the cognitive capability of his audience, otherwise the effort is a waste activity.
brothet mazhar agree with you. obviously universal God knows everything already whatever he created.
but what i was asking is regarding the history i was wondering if somebody study some sources about it they can share with us.
do somebody have any idea before the revelation of quran what was the status of classical arabic in the region and how advance was that language or any other book or poetry work by anybody else in classical arabic were present.
its appears to me when sometimes author of quran points towards arabic language like we send it down in arabic. so its must be something special about classical arabic what other languages dnt have ? -
Indeed Allah the Exalted has since proved to His Messenger the vision/dream as truthful with physical execution?
That you will certainly enter the Sacred Mosque, if Allah willed, safe and secure?
You people shaving your heads and shortening their hair without feeling any fear;
Since Allah the Exalted knew that which you people had not yet known,
Thereat in addition to that He granted a quickened victory.Do women's too shave their heads? brickwall
As said this does not make senseAnd you people should not remove hair-shave heads for such time that the sacrificial mammal might reach the destined point; consumed-distributed
@Mazhar why you did not use idiom like shabibir Ahmad did
Relief of burden = Idiom for relief
Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
4827 God has vindicated His Messenger?s vision of solidarity. You shall enter the Masjid-al-Haraam (the Sacred Masjid), God willing, perfectly secure, having unburdened your heads of all fear. And He knows what you do not know, and He has granted you a swift victory.Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
2196 (Peace cannot defend itself. Mankind has to guard it.) Therefore, join the Hajj and ?Umrah Convention for God. If you are stranded, send in gifts that the congregation would utilize. Do not consider that by doing so you have relieved yourself of duty. Be with them at heart until the gifts have reached their destination. If someone is sick or has other compelling burdens preventing him from sending any contribution, then observe ?Saum? for a few days at convenience, or an act of charity or fulfilling someone?s need shall be in order. If a person is present at the Convention but cannot afford to contribute, he should observe ?Saum? (Abstinence) for a total number of ten days, three days there and seven days after coming home. This is for him whose people do not live in the vicinity of the Convention. Be mindful of God, remembering the noble objective. And know that God (His law) is Strict in grasping. (?Saum? 2183) -
NewFrenzy
For every work and task there is a set procedure to follow to accomplish it.
We have undertaken the task of retrieving the intended communication in 2196. Instead of striking our head against pole, would it not be better we do it coolly.
Please see my post of yesterday on 2196 -Reply 51, and react to it so that we move to next word.
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brothet mazhar agree with you. obviously universal God knows everything already whatever he created.
but what i was asking is regarding the history i was wondering if somebody study some sources about it they can share with us.
do somebody have any idea before the revelation of quran what was the status of classical arabic in the region and how advance was that language or any other book or poetry work by anybody else in classical arabic were present.
its appears to me when sometimes author of quran points towards arabic language like we send it down in arabic. so its must be something special about classical arabic what other languages dnt have ?Qur'aan is the first formal non-fiction book rendered in the Arabic language, the language of the sons of soil of Arabian peninsula. The word itself is a relative noun - evident from the last additional Ya.
For Arabic there is no such thing Classical and non-classical. It is a Living Language with the same vocabulary of Roots. No Root can be invented.
It is a separate subject, we can study it in a new thread.
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peace,
Mazhar, let's say I agree so far, please bring your most sound translation of 2196 you can. Please note, I am not going to respond commenting on word by word. Just bring the whole 2196.
NF,
I'm not sure why you provided two translations but in any case with regards to your "rational academic" one I expect you to have done some basic grammar checks and Quran cross-reference regarding your word choices, i.e. you have translated a verb as a verb, or when you think word X means Y here you've checked elsewhere in Quran it occurs and it fits fine etc. If you claim you have done this then we can proceed. (I'm assuming its your translation)
