Fetus Masturbation - recent controversy
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That is why GOD said that he wants to lift us off the ground(If we submit to His system) but we insist on sticking to the ground of desires.
Training our mind to raise above the desires is like training a wild horse, very difficult indeed.The problems are many, especially when our needs get desperate like
Appetite
Money.
Peer pressure to compete.
Loneliness.
Opportunities/taking advantage of circumstances .
Showing off.
Doubts and hesitations.
False pretence.
....etc.We do not understand how to control a thought in our head. It wins most of the time.
Let s say one tries to have a CCTV watching them 24 hours? Do you think GOD s CCTV is not doing that already?
But we do not care , like big brother, they are being watched 24 hours but they carry on regardless!!!Mazhar, if I am off topic, I apologise, sometimes I get carried away to the point where I am coming up with nonsense!!
Easier said than done.
Cerberus brother, I will be lying to you if I say I will welcome the Angel of death easily? A side of me wants to.
GOD bless you.
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peace brothers ,
who created all those desires within the nature of human being?
reality is this without all those desires life is lifeless.. these desires related to the parts of the task/test what we have to complete in this worldy life..
claiming things on posts and acting on it in reality is different things .. DESIRE or NEED ?
let say if you do masturbute you become slave of desire?
if you eat quality food you become slave of hunger desire?
if you wear quality cloth you become slave of showoff desire?so a person who is beleiver must act like he is not slave of desires so let him live like this if he can hmm
and in reality nobody act on it rotfl rotfl common guys dnt make somebody slave of desires when you are a salve in reality, only if u already declared this natural cause as desire of slave lol..
let me tell you something when somebody pass gas.it considered bad due to the smell that action produce but the thing have to release for the correction of stomach system its very important to act on it without getting worried about others .. its a social misbehave but an important action to do..
POINT TO PONDER
difficult thing is understanding the difference between DESIRE and NEED? -
There is a big advantage to being a believer, to believe.
For one, if one does not eat or drink, one does die.
If one does not have sexual activity then one does not have sexual activity but one does not die, does not even become ill, unless mentally ill from mental masturbation thinking how unhappy you are that you are not applying your sexual drive on somebody else.
In fact sexual drive has a lot for it, a lot, a very lot, but we are taught to refuse it, we are taught that for sexual drive there is just that trnaspersonal and gorgeous application and ...
In fact if nobody, nobody at all let sexual drive have a physical application, the species would end.
But at an individual level, sexual drive is there for us for everything we care. Sexual drive, according to very big heads, and also according to me, can be sublimised, can be in a way trascended and put to formidable use.
We do not sin if we do not jump at the first or the onehundredth opportunity to have a physical go to somebody else. And not only we do not sin, but we do not die. We would like to even die jumping at the opportunity, but the fact is that our urge not to die is also very strong.
Do not listen to me, but you might wanto to listen to some of the big heads. In fact how do you know that there aren't now some big heads, touching salaries from higher up, experimenting with your sexual drives.
Pornographers too, but those are out for money, I guess.
At any rate, I am a bit sick of this contemplation of sexual drive as a curse and not as a blessing. Get over it ?hombre!
Salaam
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It's amazing to me how we intellectualize a subject like masturbation or choking the chicken,
beating the meat, strangling the snake, playing with the clit, finger painting, rocking the girl in the boat.
(all of which are forbidden during the fast) but otherwise it's okay.peace
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It's amazing to me how we intellectualize a subject like masturbation or choking the chicken,
beating the meat, strangling the snake, playing with the clit, finger painting, rocking the girl in the boat.
(all of which are forbidden during the fast) but otherwise it's okay.peace
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I'm not sure I understand correctly what you're trying to say, but you seem to imply that those subjects you listed are too mundane(?) to be "intellectualized" ? And that they are simply forbidden during fast and otherwise they are okay?How do you criticize someone for "intellectualizing" a subject that was not only "intellectualized" in the quran, but it was totally FORBIDDEN during fasting. The only question that arises is Why this restriction ? Thus begins philosophy.
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That is why GOD said that he wants to lift us off the ground(If we submit to His system) but we insist on sticking to the ground of desires.
Training our mind to raise above the desires is like training a wild horse, very difficult indeed.The problems are many, especially when our needs get desperate like
Appetite
Money.
Peer pressure to compete.
Loneliness.
Opportunities/taking advantage of circumstances .
Showing off.
Doubts and hesitations.
False pretence.
....etc.We do not understand how to control a thought in our head. It wins most of the time.
Let s say one tries to have a CCTV watching them 24 hours? Do you think GOD s CCTV is not doing that already?
But we do not care , like big brother, they are being watched 24 hours but they carry on regardless!!!Mazhar, if I am off topic, I apologise, sometimes I get carried away to the point where I am coming up with nonsense!!
Easier said than done.
Cerberus brother, I will be lying to you if I say I will welcome the Angel of death easily? A side of me wants to.
GOD bless you.
Peace.If you have not read this book already, I think you'll find it quite interesting Meditations by Marcus Aurelius (you can skip the intro and the first chapter)
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Thanks brother Cerberus. I shall try, GOD willing.
I will let you know my thoughts on it in the future.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
There is a big advantage to being a believer, to believe.
For one, if one does not eat or drink, one does die.
If one does not have sexual activity then one does not have sexual activity but one does not die, does not even become ill, unless mentally ill from mental masturbation thinking how unhappy you are that you are not applying your sexual drive on somebody else.
In fact sexual drive has a lot for it, a lot, a very lot, but we are taught to refuse it, we are taught that for sexual drive there is just that trnaspersonal and gorgeous application and ...
In fact if nobody, nobody at all let sexual drive have a physical application, the species would end.
But at an individual level, sexual drive is there for us for everything we care. Sexual drive, according to very big heads, and also according to me, can be sublimised, can be in a way trascended and put to formidable use.
We do not sin if we do not jump at the first or the onehundredth opportunity to have a physical go to somebody else. And not only we do not sin, but we do not die. We would like to even die jumping at the opportunity, but the fact is that our urge not to die is also very strong.
Do not listen to me, but you might wanto to listen to some of the big heads. In fact how do you know that there aren't now some big heads, touching salaries from higher up, experimenting with your sexual drives.
Pornographers too, but those are out for money, I guess.
At any rate, I am a bit sick of this contemplation of sexual drive as a curse and not as a blessing. Get over it ?hombre!
Salaam
agreed on above.
one cant b dishonest with own self so a must urge/desire what have to b done
if somebody dnt do sex he will not die but when he see things around him then desire/urge come in him/her automatically which cause him to do it by any means specially when the limit of their patience finish. if u dnt do it or unable to do it possibly u get mental issues and u feel strange type of unsatisfaction.
its true all socities advise people to stay away from sex so that u become the beleiever this will not work here and beleiver get more confuse what to so with sexual drive even some people have sexyal drive at a crazy level.
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I do not want to turn evangelistical, but my urge to be a little sadist is there so I remind you of a sentence in the gospels where Jesus says if your eye tempts you, then pull it out, if your tongue tempts you then cut it off... you fill in the blanks after that.
It might work.
Salaam
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I do not want to turn evangelistical, but my urge to be a little sadist is there so I remind you of a sentence in the gospels where Jesus says if your eye tempts you, then pull it out, if your tongue tempts you then cut it off... you fill in the blanks after that.
It might work.
Salaam
it wont work to b honest rotfl
if our sexual desire tempt us , we cant really cut the sexual organ jedi
if we do it then we will unable to produce the kids so take thing carefully from gospels.
btw if everything works like this then almost 98 % of world population become disable rotfl
blessing in the name of God