بِسْمِ اللَّهِ
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Salam!
Dear Brother Mazhar!
There is a root in Arabic, which means 'smile' or 'laugh' or 'pleasure'. Why can't we say that could mean smile or pleasure of Allah? How or why do you think that the in is a preposition. In case in is a preposition then there is left. How you identify the root while there are , and three roots words in Arabic. What grammar rules you follow?Allah says that he has given us eyes/sight/power of seeing so that we can see the difference between two things/words. I see difference between and . Hope everyone can also see that difference. Note that has also been used in Surah Namal and there is no . why so? Because is different word?
is also used in Al-Quran where it is meant smile/laugh.Would appreciate your explanation.
Thank you in advance!
Peace!
Salamun alaikum;
Good approach,
Basic principle of Arabic nouns is that in default state they are always Nominative. A noun
will be in genitive case when it is object of a preposition and secondly when it is second noun in construct meaning Possessive Phrase. Thereby, it is a prepositional phrase.
When a noun in the beginning is subject of the sentence it is always in nominative case ending.The first radical is with genitive vowel, if it were from other Root "smile" it would have been having accusative vowel sign, I suppose.
Other Root , is not relevant to the context, other collocates in the sentences.
Is it a Root? What perception it conveys?
I have mentioned in the link that at other four places it is spelled along with Hamza wasl when it finds mention in the middle of the sentence. When it is at the place of subject of a sentence it is spelled without hamza wasl in three places.
There are other same words spelled slightly different in the text.
Can you draw some inference why are they different in the orthography of Qur'aan while having same meanings and same vocalization and same sound for the hearer?
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Salamun alaikum;
Good approach,
Basic principle of Arabic nouns is that in default state they are always Nominative. A noun
will be in genitive case when it is object of a preposition and secondly when it is second noun in construct meaning Possessive Phrase. Thereby, it is a prepositional phrase.
When a noun in the beginning is subject of the sentence it is always in nominative case ending.The first radical is with genitive vowel, if it were from other Root "smile" it would have been having accusative vowel sign, I suppose.
Other Root , is not relevant to the context, other collocates in the sentences.
Is it a Root? What perception it conveys?
I have mentioned in the link that at other four places it is spelled along with Hamza wasl when it finds mention in the middle of the sentence. When it is at the place of subject of a sentence it is spelled without hamza wasl in three places.
There are other same words spelled slightly different in the text.
Can you draw some inference why are they different in the orthography of Qur'aan while having same meanings and same vocalization and same sound for the hearer?
What does Nominative & Possessive Phrase mean?
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Salamun alaikum;
The first radical is with genitive vowel, if it were from other Root "smile" it would have been having accusative vowel sign, I suppose.
How is that? ?Can the vowel of the first radical of any word change to "genitive" or "Accusative", you min from kasra to fatha or what. Canyou explain better or give some example?
Salaam
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What does Nominative & Possessive Phrase mean?
Arabic has three short vowels; these are described as Genitive, accusative, and nominative.
The Possessive Phrase in Arabic is called literally annexation, addition, or attachment; Possessive/Relative Phrase-"the Construct"?association of two nouns, one "possessing, belonging/having association-relationship" to the other. Such phrases are easily identifiable because of their distinct visual features
Pl skim it
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How is that? ?Can the vowel of the first radical of any word change to "genitive" or "Accusative", you min from kasra to fatha or what. Canyou explain better or give some example?
Salaam
This was explained that the first word is not from Root .
The first radical would have been with Fatha (accusative vowel sign) if it was from this Root. Since the first word begins with Kasra vowel and the word ends with Kasra vowel it is a prepositional phrase.
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How is that? ?Can the vowel of the first radical of any word change to "genitive" or "Accusative", you min from kasra to fatha or what. Canyou explain better or give some example?
Salaam
Yes vowel sign can change
Meanings will be different one denoting pregnancy, lifting of weight invisibly; the other lifting of weight visibly.
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So you are speaking about there being a kasra or a fatha no to the word itself, the same word turning into acussative or genetive.
I mean
andare two different words, but not the same word with different case.
Both of them could be in accusative in a text or in genitive according to the function in the snetence.
Is that what you are saying or something else?
Salaam
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So you are speaking about there being a kasra or a fatha no to the word itself, the same word turning into acussative or genetive.
I mean
andare two different words, but not the same word with different case.
Both of them could be in accusative in a text or in genitive according to the function in the snetence.
Is that what you are saying or something else?
Salaam
You are right that Vowel on the last radical indicates the function in a sentence. Vowels on the first and middle consonants relate to morphology while the last is for syntax.
Arabic is a language of syllables. Any meaningful sound comprises of a consonant and vowel (C + V) which conveys a proposition. It is called light and open; and consonant coupled with long vowel (C + VV), and the heaviest and closed syllable is consonant coupled with vowel and consonant (C + V + C). The longest syllable at few places could be C + VV + C.
The text of Qur?n has consonants followed by "moves" termed in Arabic ; the three short vowels. This feature enables the eyes to move in smooth pursuit which means closely following a moving object. The words of the text are like moving objects on the page. These vowels move the eyes steadily with equal pace and time duration in one direction along the line of text. These forward moves control the regressions by not allowing backward movement of eyes.
http//haqeeqat.pk/FacilitatorHow.htm
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Salam!
Dear Brother Mazhar!
I think that you are the right person to discuss topics related with Arabic and its grammar since you have worked very hard and with a great detail. I like your website as well and have been wondering how many people worked for how many years.
Moving to the topic. Please note that I do not know grammar of Arabic language but a very few basic concepts. I think that knowing grammar is not a must requirement to understand Al-Quran. Because Al-Quran is a message for all people whether they are literate or not.This was explained that the first word is not from Root .
The first radical would have been with Fatha (accusative vowel sign) if it was from this Root. Since the first word begins with Kasra vowel and the word ends with Kasra vowel it is a prepositional phrase.
From your above quote I understand that if a sentence starts with a root then it must have a Fatha. Here is an example from Al-Quran where a sentence is beginning with a root which has Kasra in the beginning
What would you say about that? Is not from the rooth ? or is a preposition? Please explain. Thanks!
Moreover, would appreciate if you could share any other example of sentence in Al-Quran which starts with the preposition with Kasra.Peace!
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Salam!
Dear Brother Mazhar!
I think that you are the right person to discuss topics related with Arabic and its grammar since you have worked very hard and with a great detail. I like your website as well and have been wondering how many people worked for how many years.
Moving to the topic. Please note that I do not know grammar of Arabic language but a very few basic concepts. I think that knowing grammar is not a must requirement to understand Al-Quran. Because Al-Quran is a message for all people whether they are literate or not. From your above quote I understand that if a sentence starts with a root then it must have a Fatha. Here is an example from Al-Quran where a sentence is beginning with a root which has Kasra in the beginningWhat would you say about that? Is not from the rooth ? or is a preposition? Please explain. Thanks!
Moreover, would appreciate if you could share any other example of sentence in Al-Quran which starts with the preposition with Kasra.Peace!
Root is a cluster of three, in some cases four or rare five, consonants of Alphabet placed in a peculiar sequence.
Words are made by adding vowels and for derivatives consonants are suffixed, in-fixed and suffixed.
The Root that was under consideration its word does not have Kasra on first consonant.Then in another post another Root words were mentioned
Meanings will be different one denoting pregnancy, lifting of weight invisibly; the other lifting of weight visibly.
I would like to suggest you to simply skim this
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm
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I like your website as well and have been wondering how many people worked for how many years.
I and my wife are self studying Qur'aan for the last twenty years. This work is manually done by me.
Why and what inspired to undertake self study?
Preface
The basic inspiration to self-acquire the skill for real-time translation and interpretation was that I did not find a work about Grand Qur?n that is exactly in accordance with the basic academic rules and principles of reading a book and translating and interpreting it.
Acquiring the skill for comprehending the message with personal effort is all the more important and necessary when we carefully listen to the information and cautions given therein about a type of scholars who are declared the enemies of the exalted Messenger Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. We should study the Built-in Information about certain religious scholars and their works on the Divine Book?mingling and jumbling of fabricated stories, whereby the need will be felt that every believer must make an effort to learn the skill at least for understanding the surface meanings of the original Arabic text.
http//haqeeqat.pk/Word%20by%20Word.htm
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Please note that I do not know grammar of Arabic language but a very few basic concepts. I think that knowing grammar is not a must requirement to understand Al-Quran. Because Al-Quran is a message for all people whether they are literate or not.
For natives, i.e. the Arabs, it is true. For non-natives it is necessary that they acquire the skill to translate which is easy if one wants to know only the meanings of written words because today the meanings can be ascertained from online dictionaries. But the message, the intent of the Author, can only be understood by knowing grammar and syntax.
Grammar and syntax of Qur'aan is the simplest and the easiest of all grammars. For this a sub-website is under construction
http//haqeeqat.pk/Grammar.htm
An excerpt
Our purpose is only to acquire the skill for understanding the meanings, perception and message of Grand Qur?n. Our goal is not the learning of Arabic for communication, i.e., speaking and interaction with Arabs. Therefore, the most suitable strategy - method - approach for our goal is Grammar-Translation method, also known as classical method. Its name captures the main emphasis of this method?the study of grammatical aspects of language and the use of translation as a means of acquiring comprehension. It will enable us appreciate the all time classic Grand Qur?n in its original language.
Oft repeated disadvantage associated with this method is the much rote memorization of grammatical aspects such as verb conjugations and recitation of rules that described language functions. But no such practice is needed for employing grammar-translation method for learning Arabic of Grand Qur''an. Its miraculous uniqueness is that its learning to understand is much easier as we can visually recognize nouns and verbs, grammatical units?prepositional, possessive and adjectival phrases, and other elements like subject and predicate, subject and object of verbs while just watching the text. This feature facilitates self-comprehending the text by taking help from "teach yourself" books.
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Al-Quran where a sentence is beginning with a root which has Kasra in the beginning
It is not the beginning of a sentence, but is in the middle of a statement. To consider a word as subject - start of sentence it will always be nominative meaning last vowel will not be accusative or genitive.
It is part of address to a nation by the Messenger in 4028-45 which is one Frame on a specific subject.
4028-45
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@ brother mazhar do u have something like a list of all grammer related things what quran used? i mean grammer of quran (not grammer of arabic).
although we can get it on corpus i have another thing to ask when we see corpus do u see any wrong grammer or parts of speech applied there ?
to b honest i always wanted to get rid of grammer related things in both urdu and english when i was student but somehow i learn it by repeating and memorizing. on other words when i see corpus i rely on the person who set grammer there for quran and obviously he is a human being.
although learning grammer suits to the individual like you who know the rules of grammer thats y its easy for people like you to understand and work on it for research purpose.
for a random person quran works same its easy to understand
example a statement in quran
1God is one
2dont steal
3dnt kill
4do goodin all above four statements one can easily understand whats the message either he knows grammer or not.
but only the person with experty in grammer can tell you what is object, subject of verb, what is noun proper noun and all related things.
his knowledge only telling him the usuage of grammer.
but its better to encourage people on learning grammer one need to carry responsibilty on all ages.its not that people dnt bother to learn it but its a fact gammer appear boring to most of students thats why they dnt make it field of life. same like chemistry but their importance is a well known fact too.
its all about interest lot of people who have poet/writer nature also have interest of improving their language skills by grammer. when i was student i interested in math and physics although lot of my fellows also hate math coz u have to use brain for it lol.
every perosn is exactly doing for what God created them. and they automatically interested in things what God want them to learn
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@ brother mazhar do u have something like a list of all grammer related things what quran used? i mean grammer of quran (not grammer of arabic).
although we can get it on corpus i have another thing to ask when we see corpus do u see any wrong grammer or parts of speech applied there ?
to b honest i always wanted to get rid of grammer related things in both urdu and english when i was student but somehow i learn it by repeating and memorizing. on other words when i see corpus i rely on the person who set grammer there for quran and obviously he is a human being.
although learning grammer suits to the individual like you who know the rules of grammer thats y its easy for people like you to understand and work on it for research purpose.
for a random person quran works same its easy to understand
example a statement in quran
1God is one
2dont steal
3dnt kill
4do goodin all above four statements one can easily understand whats the message either he knows grammer or not.
but only the person with experty in grammer can tell you what is object, subject of verb, what is noun proper noun and all related things.
his knowledge only telling him the usuage of grammer.
but its better to encourage people on learning grammer one need to carry responsibilty on all ages.its not that people dnt bother to learn it but its a fact gammer appear boring to most of students thats why they dnt make it field of life. same like chemistry but their importance is a well know fact too.
its all about interest lot of people who have poet/writer nature also have interest of improving their language skills by grammer. when i was student i interested in math and physics although lot of my frllows also hate math coz u have to use brain for it lol.
every perosn is exactly doing for what God created them. and they automatically interested in things what God want them to learn
I had edited it before it went up. Kais sent me grammar part of his thesis before submission.
Firstly it is the desire of person, then comes the decision of Allah the Exalted.
Syntax of Grand Qur?n is the simplest because we have only to observe the vowel on the last consonant of a noun. The last vowel reveals the role and function of a noun in the sentence. Nouns having vowel sign , , on their last consonant are termed "nominative- "; those with vowel sign are termed "accusative-", and third case-ending with vowel sign are termed "genitive-".
There are 8 roles that nouns play in sentences when they have case ending , , ?"nominative- ";
There are 12 roles that nouns play in sentences when they have case ending ?"accusative-"; and
There are 2 roles that nouns play in sentences when they have case ending ?"genitive-"
Thus there are only 22 positions for reflecting the role and function a noun performs in sentences and discourse. There are 22 standard amino acids, a start and a stop codon in protein-coded gene translation. In Arabic, there are twenty two declensions of a noun that signify its role in the sentence two genitive, eight nominative, and twelve accusative.
Those who know this know Arabic of Qur'aan. Those who know not, they know only the meanings of individual words.
Qur'an is a unique book. It is written with choice of such words and structures that it meets and satisfies the intellectual level of each reader. Everyone can benefit from it with little interest and effort.
Any book that does not correspond to intellectual level of its audience, it loses its importance and efficacy. Qur'aan is specified as the Grand Book, and is for whole humanity which comprises of varying intellectual levels, from men of ordinary prudence like me to the level of philosophers, scientists, intellectuals. Thereby, it meets all the criteria necessary to call it grand, exalted book.
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Salam!
It is not the beginning of a sentence, but is in the middle of a statement. To consider a word as subject - start of sentence it will always be nominative meaning last vowel will not be accusative or genitive.
It is part of address to a nation by the Messenger in 4028-45 which is one Frame on a specific subject.
4028-45
Dear brother Mazhar! I appreciate your answers to my questions but I am still not satisfied. When I read Al-Quran, it says that "So when you recite the Quran, seek refuge in Allah from Shaitan - the one who speaks without knowledge/who throws meaningless words" . But whenever I see written Quran, almost every surah starts with which is not according to the Quran itself.
When I read Surah Namal I see that the word is not the beginning of the sentence, but is in the middle of a statement. Or you can share an example where a sentence is beginning with (Note still you have not shared example of a sentence which is beginning with preposition)
Indeed it is from Suleiman and indeed it is pleasure of Allah, Al-Rehman, the most merciful that you not be superior above me and come to me peacefully.
Grammar/language experts translate as "in the name of" or "beginning with the name of". Since here is not in the start of a Surah but in the context still it is missing the 'alif' as in .
Again, in 1141 only the compound of two words is used within the context.(Noah) said, "Embark in it. Pleasure of Allah sails it and stops/anchors it. Indeed, My Lord is forgiving and merciful".
Still I do not see an 'alif' here as in .
It is a matter of sight/seeing which would be questioned . I am sure that Allah will not question about my grammar experties/education.
May Allah bless and guide all the truth seekers.Peace!
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Salam!
As per my understanding the word bism is same as the words rizq and ilm , which are nouns/verbal nouns.
Example Compound of two words used in 260 and the compound have the same structure.Peace!
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Salam!
As per my understanding the word bism is same as the words rizq and ilm , which are nouns/verbal nouns.
Example Compound of two words used in 260 and the compound have the same structure.Peace!
has kasra on letter meem which is only possible grammatically if for example it is preceded by a preposition or a mudhaf construction.
..... ..... 260 has preposition before that is why letter kaaf has a kasra.
So and are not same grammatically.
Question remains to sort out is what means. "In/with the name" is the translation of
as used in the Quran at 961There is a difference between and which is letter alif.
Salaam
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Salam brother Novice!
Is this a hard and fast rule that after a preposition, the 3rd letter of a root word will always have a Kasra? Then what would you say about below example
... ...Here the word does not have a Kasra on letter
Peace!
