TWO STAGES OF ABRAHAAM/IBRAHEEM.
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IN THE HOLY QURAN I HAD NOTICED AND LATER RESEARCHED THAT ONLY IN SURAH AL-BAQARAH IBRAHEEM IS SPELLED AS (ABRAHAAM) WHILST IN THE OTHER SURAH'S HE IS ONLY MENTIONED AS IBRAHEEM. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH STAGES I FIND THIS INTEREESTING.
Are you talking about English translation or Arabic text? I could not find the difference in Arabic text. Which verse has Abrahaam?
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peace.
in 69 places where this name mention is either ibrahimu or ibrahima in almost every chapter
its dose'nt matter how one interpret it in English or any other language.
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IN THE HOLY QURAN I HAD NOTICED AND LATER RESEARCHED THAT ONLY IN SURAH AL-BAQARAH IBRAHEEM IS SPELLED AS (ABRAHAAM) WHILST IN THE OTHER SURAH'S HE IS ONLY MENTIONED AS IBRAHEEM. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH STAGES I FIND THIS INTEREESTING.
Peace, in oldest manuscripts spelled same with (ya) e.g. 22603 Ibrahim
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=163
https//s15.postimg.cc/7wg2beth7/ch2v259-266-2.jpg
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Salaam,
note
In chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is written I B R H M in 12 verses ( 15 times ) and in the rest of the quran it is written I B R H I M in 51 verses (54 times ) in 24 chapters, in the quran we have today ( 114 chapters and 6236 verses ).
In this manuscript in chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is written
I B R H I M
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/132/handschrift/163
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/126/handschrift/163
In this manuscript in chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is written
sometimes I B R H M and sometimes I B R H I M
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124/handschrift/170
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/125/handschrift/170/flip/1
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/130/handschrift/170/flip/1
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/133/handschrift/170/flip/1
It might be related to this
Bible
Genesis 175" Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. "
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Salaam,
It might be related to this
Bible
Genesis 175" Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. "
Peace, is this about numerology ? why in oldest manuscripts it's spelled the same?
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=878
https//s15.postimg.cc/55kokatrf/ch2v259-261.jpg
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Salaam,
All occurrences of the word Ibrahim in chapter 2, In this manuscript
13 times? I B R H M and 2 times? I B R H I M
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124/handschrift/170
2124 not visible
2125 I B R H M
2125 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/126/handschrift/170
2126 I B R H M
2127 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/132/handschrift/170
2130 I B R H M
2132 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/135/handschrift/170
2133 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/136/handschrift/170
2135 I B R H M
2136 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/140/handschrift/170
2140 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/258/handschrift/170
2258 I B R H I M ( not sure, difficult to see )https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/259/handschrift/170
2258 I B R H M ( not sure, difficult to see )
2258 I B R H I M ( not sure, difficult to see )https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/259/handschrift/170/flip/1
2260 I B R H M ( not sure, difficult to see )
In chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is written IBRHM in 12 verses ( 15 times ) and in the rest of the quran it is written IBRHIM in 51 verses (54 times ) in 24 chapters, in the Quran we have today ( 114 chapters and 6236 verses ).
There must be a motivation, source to write the word " IBRHM " in chapter 2,
and " IBRHIM " the rest of the Qur'an. -
^^^ again "oldest" manuscripts it's spelled same and the manuscripts you showed are 100+ years later.
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My concern with that comparison of the bible is a small detail.
Abram and Abraham according to the bible was the before and after submission names.
In Surah 2 it seems the name is addressing Abraham after the change. So I am not sure the comparison with the bible makes sense?
As for the difference in spelling,you are right,there is a difference.
GOD bless.
Peace. -
Salaam,
Salaam,
All occurrences of the word Ibrahim in chapter 2, In this manuscript
13 times? I B R H M and 2 times? I B R H I M
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124/handschrift/170
2124 not visible
2125 I B R H M
2125 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/126/handschrift/170
2126 I B R H M
2127 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/132/handschrift/170
2130 I B R H M
2132 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/135/handschrift/170
2133 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/136/handschrift/170
2135 I B R H M
2136 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/140/handschrift/170
2140 I B R H Mhttps//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/258/handschrift/170
2258 I B R H I M ( not sure, difficult to see )https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/259/handschrift/170
2258 I B R H M ( not sure, difficult to see )
2258 I B R H I M ( not sure, difficult to see )https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/259/handschrift/170/flip/1
2260 I B R H M ( not sure, difficult to see )
In chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is written IBRHM in 12 verses ( 15 times ) and in the rest of the quran it is written IBRHIM in 51 verses (54 times ) in 24 chapters, in the Quran we have today ( 114 chapters and 6236 verses ).
There must be a motivation, source to write the word " IBRHM " in chapter 2,
and " IBRHIM " the rest of the Qur'an.In this manuscript in chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is also spelled IBRHM
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124?handschrift=428
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/127/handschrift/428/flip/1
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/134/handschrift/428/flip/1
note this manuscript is not dated.
^^^ again "oldest" manuscripts it's spelled same and the manuscripts you showed are 100+ years later.
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=163
The first manuscript you posted is from 662-765https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=878
The second manuscript you posted is from 700-1000The manuscript that i posted is from 700-850
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like i said ONLY in chapter 2 which is Surah al Baqarah its ABRAHAAM while in the other surah's like al imran, al nisa, al anam, al tawba, hud,al anbiyaa and the rest he is only mentioned as ibraheem.
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Surah AL-BAQARAH AYAT, 124,125,126,127,130,132,133,135,136,140,258,260 all as (ABRAHM)
Surah AL-IMRAN AYAT, 65,68,84,95,97 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-NISA AYAT, 54,125,163 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ANAM AYAT, 74,75,83,161 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL TAWBA AYAT, 70, 114 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah HUD AYAT, 75,76 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah YUSUF AYAT, 6,38, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah IBRAHEEM AYAT, 35 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HIJR AYAT, 51 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-NAHL 123, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah MARYAM AYAT, 41,46 58 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ANBIYA AYAT, 51,60,62,69 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HAJJ AYAT, 43, 78 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-ASHUARA AYAT, 69 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-ANKABUT AYAT 16,31, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-AHZAB AYA, 7 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-SAFFAT AYAT, 83,104,109 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-SAD AYA, 45 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah ASHURA AYA, 13 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AZ-ZUKHRUF AYA, 26 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah ADH-DHARIYAT AYA, 24 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AN-NAJM AYA, 37 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HADID AYA, 26 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-MUMTAHANA AYA, 4 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ALA AYA, 19 as (IBRAHEEM)
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In this manuscript in chapter 2 the word Ibrahim is also spelled IBRHM
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/124?handschrift=428
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/127/handschrift/428/flip/1
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/134/handschrift/428/flip/1
note this manuscript is not dated.
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=163
The first manuscript you posted is from 662-765https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=878
The second manuscript you posted is from 700-1000The manuscript that i posted is from 700-850
Do you know how statistical probability dating works?
Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=163
95.4% statistical probability dated between 662-765 CEMA VI 165 Qur?an 95.4% probability between 649-675 CE
http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165Sana Manuscripts
http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3448/title/all-qur-27anic-fragments/cat/837i.e. probability older than CE
635.5 56.20%
640.5
645.5 75.10%
650.5
655.5
660.5 95.50%
665.5
670.5
675.5 99.20%Birmingham Qur?an 95.4% probability between 568-645 CE
http//www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/cadbury/quran-manuscript/index.aspxTakes one earliest manuscript to show spelling was consistent/same.
Hence proof that spelling in chap 2 was "changed" 100+ years later.
Therefore, it is a pointless argument only shows evolution of script.
peace!
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Do you know how statistical probability dating works?
Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/260?handschrift=163
95.4% statistical probability dated between 662-765 CEMA VI 165 Qur?an 95.4% probability between 649-675 CE
http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165Sana Manuscripts
http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3448/title/all-qur-27anic-fragments/cat/837i.e. probability older than CE
635.5 56.20%
640.5
645.5 75.10%
650.5
655.5
660.5 95.50%
665.5
670.5
675.5 99.20%Birmingham Qur?an 95.4% probability between 568-645 CE
http//www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/cadbury/quran-manuscript/index.aspxTakes one earliest manuscript to show spelling was consistent/same.
Hence proof that spelling in chap 2 was "changed" 100+ years later.
Therefore, it is a pointless argument only shows evolution of script.
peace!
DO YOU PEOPLE HONESTLY READ THE QURAN OR JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH ONLINE FOR EVERYTHING WHEN YOUVE GOT THE BOOK IN YOUR OWN HOME AND AT THE MOSQUE. MAYBE ITS EASIER FOR ME TO REALISE SINCE ARABIC IS MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. BUT ANYBODY WHO LOOKS AT THE QURAN WORD FOR WORD WILL NOTICE DIFFERENCES. THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGES OF THE QURAN. ITS NOT A COINSIDENCE THAT ONLY IN CHAPTER 2 SPECIFICALLY THERE IS NO 'Y'. IF THERE WAS ANY PROOF OF CHANGES THEN I WOULD EXPECT HOW IBRAHEEM AND ABRAHM IS SPELLED TO BE IN AT LEAST 1 AYA TOGETHER IN ANY OF THE MENTIONED SURAH. THE INTERNET SEEMS TO BE THIS UMMAHS QURAN WHILE THE SCRIPTURE SITS HOME UNREAD.
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Salaam,
MA VI 165 Quran 95.4% probability between 649-675 CE
http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165No chapter 2 in this manuscript, only from chapter 17 verse 37 to chapter 36 verse 57
Sana Manuscripts
http//www.unesco-ci.org/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3448/title/all-qur-27anic-fragments/cat/837i.e. probability older than CE
635.5 56.20%
640.5
645.5 75.10%
650.5
655.5
660.5 95.50%
665.5
670.5
675.5 99.20%Link does not work.
Birmingham Quran 95.4% probability between 568-645 CE
http//www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/cadbury/quran-manuscript/index.aspxLink does not work, but i know this manuscript; no chapter 2 in this manuscript.
Takes one earliest manuscript to show spelling was consistent/same.
Not all manuscripts are published online.
Hence proof that spelling in chap 2 was "changed" 100+ years later.
Therefore, it is a pointless argument only shows evolution of script.
peace!
It doesn't make sense to change the spelling only in chapter 2 (15 occurrences ) and not in the rest of the Quran ( 54 occurrences ).
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IN THE HOLY QURAN I HAD NOTICED AND LATER RESEARCHED THAT ONLY IN SURAH AL-BAQARAH IBRAHEEM IS SPELLED AS (ABRAHAAM) WHILST IN THE OTHER SURAH'S HE IS ONLY MENTIONED AS IBRAHEEM. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH STAGES I FIND THIS INTEREESTING.
Peace tulipred-muslima,
What is your point?
handshake
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Surah AL-BAQARAH AYAT, 124,125,126,127,130,132,133,135,136,140,258,260 all as (ABRAHM)
Surah AL-IMRAN AYAT, 65,68,84,95,97 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-NISA AYAT, 54,125,163 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ANAM AYAT, 74,75,83,161 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL TAWBA AYAT, 70, 114 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah HUD AYAT, 75,76 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah YUSUF AYAT, 6,38, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah IBRAHEEM AYAT, 35 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HIJR AYAT, 51 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-NAHL 123, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah MARYAM AYAT, 41,46 58 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ANBIYA AYAT, 51,60,62,69 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HAJJ AYAT, 43, 78 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-ASHUARA AYAT, 69 all as (IBRAHEEM)
surah AL-ANKABUT AYAT 16,31, all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-AHZAB AYA, 7 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-SAFFAT AYAT, 83,104,109 all as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-SAD AYA, 45 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah ASHURA AYA, 13 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AZ-ZUKHRUF AYA, 26 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah ADH-DHARIYAT AYA, 24 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AN-NAJM AYA, 37 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-HADID AYA, 26 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-MUMTAHANA AYA, 4 as (IBRAHEEM)
Surah AL-ALA AYA, 19 as (IBRAHEEM)
Checked 2.124, 125
in some copies it is ibraahyim
in some others it says ibraahimBur in no copy I have seen abrahm
Salaam
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Checked 2.124, 125
in some copies it is ibraahyim
in some others it says ibraahimBur in no copy I have seen abrahm
Salaam
Salaam huruf
Here is copy paste from quranexplorer.com
In 2124-140 it appears 10 times as . There is a "Y" on top of the word which shows there used to be a "Y" and for some unknown reasons to me they stopped using "Y" in the word in Sura Baqra but continued in other suras. Why they chose to do that is a mystery to me.
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Now rest of places it is with a "Y"
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Thank you, I mayhave missed that. Already everything seems too small when I look, if I did not expect to see that sweet little fantom Y no onder I mssed it. I'll check. Thank you. This is a bit like amputation, they say, that you still feel the member you lost even if it is not there.
Salaam
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It doesn't make sense to change the spelling only in chapter 2 (15 occurrences ) and not in the rest of the Quran ( 54 occurrences ).
They did it 100+ years later; how many examples old manuscripts do you need -- one should suffice?
Sana manuscript 2nd century!
https//s22.postimg.cc/50fx9kb4x/Sana_ch2v120-125-2.jpg
DO YOU PEOPLE HONESTLY READ THE QURAN OR JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH ONLINE FOR EVERYTHING WHEN YOUVE GOT THE BOOK IN YOUR OWN HOME AND AT THE MOSQUE. MAYBE ITS EASIER FOR ME TO REALISE SINCE ARABIC IS MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. BUT ANYBODY WHO LOOKS AT THE QURAN WORD FOR WORD WILL NOTICE DIFFERENCES. THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGES OF THE QURAN. ITS NOT A COINSIDENCE THAT ONLY IN CHAPTER 2 SPECIFICALLY THERE IS NO 'Y'. IF THERE WAS ANY PROOF OF CHANGES THEN I WOULD EXPECT HOW IBRAHEEM AND ABRAHM IS SPELLED TO BE IN AT LEAST 1 AYA TOGETHER IN ANY OF THE MENTIONED SURAH. THE INTERNET SEEMS TO BE THIS UMMAHS QURAN WHILE THE SCRIPTURE SITS HOME UNREAD.
3119 and be moderate in walk/pace your and lower from voice yours indeed harshest the voices surely voice the donkeys (i.e. ranting loud mindlessly/braying)
peace!