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    centi50
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    Salam to All,

    Verse 481-2

    481 We have given you a clear conquest.

    482 So that God may forgive your present sins, as well as those past, and so that He may complete His blessings upon you, and guide you on a straight path.

    Are these verse referring to prophet Muhammad?

    Input appreciated

    Thanking you all in advance

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      Mazhar
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      Salam to All,

      Verse 481-2

      481 We have given you a clear conquest.

      482 So that God may forgive your present sins, as well as those past, and so that He may complete His blessings upon you, and guide you on a straight path.

      Are these verse referring to prophet Muhammad?

      Input appreciated

      Thanking you all in advance

      Yes, the Pronoun refers to second person, the addressee, the Messenger.

      As for translation given above it is patently incorrect by someone who does not know about Forms of Verbs.

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        centi50
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        Thank you Mazhar for clarifying.

        So can we say that the prophet had sinned, but his sins had been forgiven. That is he died without sins?

        Forbiding what God has not forbidden I think is a sin. We read in onother verse the prophet been reprimanded for forbidding something.

        I might be wrong

        Any input welcomed

        God bless

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          Mazhar
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          Thank you Mazhar for clarifying.

          So can we say that the prophet had sinned, but his sins had been forgiven. That is he died without sins?

          Forbiding what God has not forbidden I think is a sin. We read in onother verse the prophet been reprimanded for forbidding something.

          I might be wrong

          Any input welcomed

          God bless

          Not your fault. Translators even failed to notice that the word they have translated as "sins" is in original text singular not plural - http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/01.Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20003/603.%20Zunoobehim%20Zaal%20Noon%20Ba/23.gif.

          There is no such thing, in my study, about red part. Please quote ayah.

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            centi50
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            Not your fault. Translators even failed to notice that the word they have translated as "sins" is in original text singular not plural - http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/01.Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20003/603.%20Zunoobehim%20Zaal%20Noon%20Ba/23.gif.

            There is no such thing, in my study, about red part. Please quote ayah.

            Salam Mazhar,

            I was referring to 661

            661 O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Compassionate.

            God bless you

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              Mazhar
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              Salam Mazhar,

              I was referring to 661

              661 O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Compassionate.

              God bless you

              Salamun alaika,

              There is no "reprimand" in it.

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                centi50
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                Salamun alaika,

                There is no "reprimand" in it.

                I see here in this verse the prophet being reproached by Allah for forbidding something that is not forbidden by God

                I may understand it the wrong way.

                Can you comment on this.?

                God bless you

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                  Mazhar
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                  I see here in this verse the prophet being reproached by Allah for forbidding something that is not forbidden by God

                  I may understand it the wrong way.

                  Can you comment on this.?

                  God bless you

                  There is nothing in Arabic text which could convey even remotely "reproached".

                  I have given at the end of page linked morphological and syntactic analysis of the first sentence of Ayah. Please study and give your input.

                  661-5

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                    mmkhan
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                    Are these verse referring to prophet Muhammad?

                    Input appreciated

                    Thanking you all in advance

                    Salaamun,

                    Please allow me add my views.

                    These aayaat has nothing to do with Mohammed or Messenger or Prophet. If so, it would have added like Ya ayyuha alNabi we have....

                    These aayaat are all about you.

                    Please note
                    481

                    644
                    644 So when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We opened to them the doors of every thing until, when they rejoiced in that which they were given, We seized them suddenly, and they were in despair.

                    Look at the words in green in the both the aayaat, they are exactly same. Then how it became a victory or conquest in 481?

                    Look at the red part, it says WE not I. WE is not Allah but a supreme creation.
                    All of us in control of WE because they have been given the authority by Allah.
                    So they opened you from their controls, now everything is between you and Allah alone.

                    This is how I understand it.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Salaamun,

                      Please allow me add my views.

                      These aayaat has nothing to do with Mohammed or Messenger or Prophet. If so, it would have added like Ya ayyuha alNabi we have....

                      These aayaat are all about you.

                      Please note
                      481

                      644
                      644 So when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We opened to them the doors of every thing until, when they rejoiced in that which they were given, We seized them suddenly, and they were in despair.

                      Look at the words in green in the both the aayaat, they are exactly same. Then how it became a victory or conquest in 481?

                      Look at the red part, it says WE not I. WE is not Allah but a supreme creation.
                      All of us in control of WE because they have been given the authority by Allah.
                      So they opened you from their controls, now everything is between you and Allah alone.

                      This is how I understand it.

                      Did you notice the object of verb? When word "open" is used it needs an object.

                      When it is in the meaning of conquest, victory it need not an object.

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                        mmkhan
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                        Salaamun Mazher,

                        Did you notice the object of verb? When word "open" is used it needs an object.

                        When it is in the meaning of conquest, victory it need not an object.

                        481

                        I have enlarged the font size so that you can see what I am seeing )

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                          Mazhar
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                          Salaamun Mazher,

                          481

                          I have enlarged the font size so that you can see what I am seeing )

                          Despite enlarging you are not noticing it is intransitive; with no object of verb while in other place you see it transitive with object.

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                            Noon_waalqalami
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                            These aayaat are all about you.

                            Please note
                            481
                            ...
                            This is how I understand it.

                            salmun/peace alayka/upon you (singular) -- no read "in context" to 4811 ...

                            https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/48/vers/1/handschrift/163

                            https//s15.postimg.cc/bwps9vpcr/ch47v38-ch48v9.jpg

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                              mmkhan
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                              salmun/peace alayka/upon you (singular) -- no read "in context" to 4811 ...

                              Salaamun,

                              Sorry, I did not understand bro. My English is very poor, sorry.
                              BTW you wanted to mention 488 not 4811 I think.

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