Ramadan is spiritual retreat, 3 days, in the 7th full moon after march equinox
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Fasting gives you more knowledge about yourself. Everything is amplified, and all the little things in you become manifest.
Very useful.3 days out of 365 days isn't a reasonable amount of fasting though. unless you think of it as some sort of weird ritual.
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peace,
and this is clear definition of siyyam
1926 ?So eat and drink and be content. If you see any human being, then say ?I have vowed an saouman for the Almighty, so I will not talk today to any of mankind.??siyyam =not to speak because of sipiritual retreat
No. It seems you have not considered the rather obvious possibility that sawm simply means abstinence, and it is the context that will determine from what. Not only can this be deduced from this verse but is also blatantly obvious from classical arabic dictionaries.
As I said, go ask the question I posed to anyone you consider competent. You will quickly realise what's what.
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its not that simple,
fasting from what ? food or sex ? or both ?
either this ?eat and drink? define the physical eating ?
the fast of marry in quran is equal to the method of fasting ? -
Salaam
As I said, go ask the question I posed to anyone you consider competent. You will quickly realise what's what.
it is a strange advice dear wakas. Seem quite to be the opposite of the advice of God
47-16Majority is astraying
6-116Perhaps it is for that that Allah ask us to make a spiritual retreat to meet Allah alone and not speaking to astraying people.
However, in the case you consider me competent, let me tell you something
Salat, Zakat, Saoum, and hajj are coherent and aim to guive you guidance.
Salat is reading litte Quran twice a day alone in a place called mihrab at home. It is also a masjid since every place where soujoud occurs is a masjid. Theis web site is a masjid. And Soujoud is a listening+obeying.
Salat, sometimes, occurs in group. That Salat Jomoua. In can be on monday or sunday, no matter. The important is to meditate in group aboute what Allah send us.
Zakat is the purification obtained from salat. That is throwing away Bullshits invented by chaytan.
Saoum is three days dedicated to salat.
Hajj is the debate in wich hojjajs (debators) d?bate while whose making Omra listen. Of Course, people making Omra have to do siyyam.The set is "coherent".
All is about guidance, listening Words of God and of course trying to understand what he send us and trying to avoid what Chaytan send us (don't eat, don't drink, prosternate towars a cubic stone, stone chaytan and son on...). Chaytan is a very creative guy and he first need to convince you not to read and meditate what Allah Sent and try always to send you to some of his devoted pupils described as "competent" people.
No. It seems you have not considered the rather obvious possibility that sawm simply means abstinence, and it is the context that will determine from what. Not only can this be deduced from this verse but is also blatantly obvious from classical arabic dictionaries.
let see a dictionnary
Ibn Fris, Maqys al-Lugha
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seems that the wod saoum means kind of abstinence + (staying in place sun) .
Strangely, the "staying in place" seems more important than the "abstinence".
the quranic sample point to thet aya 19-26
and the "traditionnal understanding" is of course mentionned without quranic reference.Now my question is
When he have to do siyam like Meriem did in 19-26 ?
When we have to make 3oukouf in masjid during day like 2-187 says ?dear wakas
the belief of "not to eat and not to drink" is a belief i had before.
I rejected it totally because it has no sense and is not in Quran.
I didn't rejected that belief because i didn't knew what "competent" people and "dictionnaries" says as you seems to belief.
I will continue to make saoum as i understand now and if Allah ask me from where i get this i will show him his book and his verses without calling any competent guy to help me.My turn to ask you something.
I ask you simply to take 2 or 3 days and to meditate alone about what Allah send to you, far away from burdening humans.
The only competent guy i ask you to follow is yourself while under the sabil.((َ ، and not under any other lateral "revelation".
24,25, and 26 September would be good dates.
no matter if you don't want to call that ramadan or siyyam.Peace
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Fasting gives you more knowledge about yourself. Everything is amplified, and all the little things in you become manifest.
Very useful.3 days out of 365 days isn't a reasonable amount of fasting though. unless you think of it as some sort of weird ritual.
Salaam
why not do it all the year if it is so useful for you ? 30 days seems to be insufficient for you.
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Dear Wakas
i will give you a funny and very useful trick/criteria i use to distinguish truth from falsehood.
it is the mockery criteria
since Allah is wisdom and Chaytan is foolishness people following Allah can easily mock people following chaytan.For example, you cannot mock the way i do salat and saoum as it is lecture, meditation and thinking about quran. But i can very easily mock the way "muslims" following "imams" do salat and saoum and hajj.
Think about Abraham and the idols of his people. To silent him, his people has the violence criteria to win and it is only possible when they are numerous.
Chaytan tries always to label wisdom all his foolishness.
it is why when you hear now to "muslim scholars" pretending to on "the wisdom" path, you hear only rubbish.in fact, it is a reasonable criteria since you will not be able the judgement day to mock deen of Allah and present a better deen. The judgment day is not a day where Allah will use violence to impose his opinion but a day where it will obvious for foolish that they were foolish and that they followed chaytan revelation and not Allah Revelation.
Allah is wisdom. Chaytan is foolishness.
We have to never forget this even if chaytan will always try to call foolishness wisdom and wisdom foolishness.i am ready to say this to Allah the judgement day
"Not to eat and not to drink is foolishness. No wisdom in this and for people doing this.
Meditating about what you sent us is wisdom. No foolishness in this and for people doing this."Peace
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Allah is wisdom. Chaytan is foolishness.
We have to never forget this even if chaytan will always try to call foolishness wisdom and wisdom foolishness.i am ready to say this to Allah the judgement day
"Not to eat and not to drink is foolishness. No wisdom in this and for people doing this.
Meditating about what you sent us is wisdom. No foolishness in this and for people doing this."What if simply, indulging in pleasurable activities on a daily basis brought a kind of sloppiness to your mind ? If you can't tell, you can't tell.
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What if simply, indulging in pleasurable activities on a daily basis brought a kind of sloppiness to your mind ? If you can't tell, you can't tell.
Dear Cerberus
you can accuse who you want of "sloppiness in mind".
However it is clearly incompatible with the "comments" of hard work i received in the beginning of the thread.What is funny is that it is not the first time i receive a free psychological analysis.
according to french wikipedia (traduced by google)
Indoctrination involves the regular use of various means of psychological pressure such as fear, hope, guilt or the indefinite hammering of the same affirmations, socio-emotional training, etc. by working to short-circuit the critical thinking skills of the person whose thoughts are being changed, or even the personalitywhat i mean, indoctrination is the top level of "sloppiness in mind " and is rarely based on "pleasurable activities".
deprivation of food and drink would better fit with the "indoctrination" process and the "mind sloppiness".As i said, Wisdom is from Allah and Foolishness is from Chaytan.
But what do you think about this affirmation " Pleasure is from Allah and sadness is from Chaytan" ?
and about "Allah love beauty and Chaytan love ugliness" ?Why there is some people who think that Allah is angry when they take pleasure ?
Why some "muslim" women think that to be lovely inside they have to be "ugly" in their "external" appearance.Lastly, If we ask Quran, the main reason of "mind sloppiness" would be willing to follow deen of ancestors even if they were wrong.
as you see, "mind sloppiness" is a very interesting subject to study.
It would involve Quranic words like rijss, khamr and sakran for example.
sakran for example, is "mind closed" and not drunk. And the most "mind closed" people i met never drink wine.Peace
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Sorry it's my mediocre english in action.
"What if simply, indulging in pleasurable activities on a daily basis brought brings a kind of sloppiness to your mind ?"
I'm not calling you that. I think it's clearer now.But what do you think about this affirmation " Pleasure is from Allah and sadness is from Chaytan" ?
I assume you refer to this "479 Any good that befalls you is from Allah, and any evil that befalls you is from yourself."
What I think about it is that WE ARE a duality of something from this earth, material, that will eventually return to the ground, and something from Allah, immaterial and everlasting. And if we act using that which is associated to Allah or using that which is associated to "ourselves" we simply reap the benefits or the consequences accordingly.
Can't see how it helps your opinion;
But this also isn't something tied to the Islamic faith, neither is fasting.
Perhaps if you spent more time reflecting on yourself instead of reflecting on the words of quran, they do not speak but you speak for them and you make what you want of them. And you may not WANT what is right for you because you do not know nor understand.
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Perhaps if you spent more time reflecting on yourself instead of reflecting on the words of quran, they do not speak but you speak for them and you make what you want of them. And you may not WANT what is right for you because you do not know nor understand.
it is the second personal attack with speculation on my psychiatric disposition.
it is not problem for me.
However, attacking the messenger instead of message is something we can find in Quran156 And they said ?O you upon whom the Reminder has been sent down, you are crazy.?
2370 Or do they say that there is a madness in him? No, he has come to them with the truth, but most of them are hateful of the truth.
348 ?Has he invented a lie against God, or is there a madness in him?? Indeed, those who do not believe in the Hereafter will be in a retribution and are far straying.
3736 And they would say ?Shall we leave our gods because of a crazy poet??
6851 And those who have rejected almost attack you with their eyes when they hear the Reminder, and they say ?He is crazy!?Hope i will not get another free speculation about my mind and others advice about what i should do
Peace
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salaam
2185 SHAHR RAMADAN, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you SHAHIDA the SHAHR, then let him MAKE +SAOUM therein. ......
here is the traduction found on free-minds
2185 A month of aspiration, in which the Qur?an was revealed; as a guide to the people and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month....let suppose that shahr is lunar month (it is full moon for me) and let suppose that ramadan is name of a month (it is period of first rain after summer for me) , the question is how you observe/see month of ramadan ?
that is
how do you now that you have to begin a month with crescent ?
how do you now that "the month thaht you see" is month of ramadan ?of course, for the first point, there is this verse
2189 They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say ?They are a timing mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage.? And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.what is front door and what is the back door ?
is new moon (when it is all black) front door and full moon (when it is all light) back door or reverse ?but the funny thing is how you can guess that we are in the "moon" of ramadan with quran ?
where is the first month in quran, who told you that ramadan is 9th month ? and who fixed the beginning of counting since "lunar year" has no fixed reference to seasons ?
what i mean is whatever you do, you cannot see "shahr of ramadan" with priesthood understanding.
however, this year, the full moon of first period of rain after summer is for monday 24, tuesday 25 and wednesday 26 september. No need for any monk to see that. No need to know for who fixed the calendar and when.
Ramadan Mabrouk for who do it.
Peace
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salaam
however, this year, the full moon of first period of rain after summer is for monday 24, tuesday 25 and wednesday 26 september. No need for any monk to see that. No need to know for who fixed the calendar and when.
Ramadan Mabrouk for who do it.
Peace
Ramadan Mabrouk
How was the three days of Spiritual retreat?Peace
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salaam
Peace
Salam
I noticed @noshirk has not posted since 2019 -
Scouring through his posts I was shocked by his weird insights such as Miriam mother of Issa being sister of Moses,
Ramadan where there is no fasting,
Medina not being the town where Mohamed (P) & muhajiroon emigrated,
that events of Qur'an happened in East Arabia (Oman, Bahrain), not West Arabia & so on...I am glad I did not read those posts before his insights of Ramadan being as 7th full moon after the Spring equinox, otherwise I would have dismissed him outright.
Kamal Salibi did a far better forensic job about Jesus Christ vs yeshu bar nagarah which I posted about in a separate thread.
Yet noshirk complains about pazuzu joining the flat Earth cult, but his outrageous claims (like Ayman's Jinn being fantasies) are as ludicrous.
