Could someone please explain following verse to me?
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What the proponents of the Mount of Olives didnt realize is that they had fallen under the influence of an old and fruitless Jewish debate regarding the true location of ?Mount Sinai?; a debate that is still raging until today. In fact, some Jewish sects firmly believe that the Mount of Olives is ?Mount Sinai?, where the Lord spoke to Msa. A more recent theory among Biblical scholars and academics has even placed Mount Sinai in the far north of Saudi Arabia, claiming that it is none other than the famous Jabal al-Lawz, a peculiar-looking mountain with a blackened peak, located near the city of Tabk, not far from the Jordanian border. Still, others have claimed that Mount Sinai is somewhere in the Negev desert!
In fact, Paul, who invented Christianity, clearly states in one of his letters that Mount Sinai is in Arabia, without specifying where exactly. (Incidentally, it seems that Paul picked up much lore during his ?mysterious? three-year sojourn in Arabia). Here follows is a passage from the New Testament
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Picture #23 Jabal-al-Lawz, near Tabk (Saudi Arabia). It doesnt seem too green, does it?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to abondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children (Gal. 4 22-25).
This is very interesting, isn't it? Paul is saying that Hgar, the alleged bond maiden of Ibrheem (P), is an allegory to the ?bond of flesh? and to Mount Sinai itself, which is in Arabia. What is popularly called the ?Sinai Pennisula? today was never a part of Arabia. In fact there is zero evidence that the peninsula was ever called by that name before the 4th Century AD.
If you think, dear reader, that the location of Mount Sinai is agreed upon - whether by scholars or by laymen - then you are gravely mistaken. All it takes is a bit of research on your part, whether on the internet, or in books of theology, and you will soon notice the heaps of conjecture and hearsay that our predecessors spewed forth concerning the location of this mountain. This has resulted in nominating no less than four different locations as possible candidates for the legendary landmark! Is it in Egypt, or in the Negev Desert? Or is it in Jerusalem? Or perhaps in Saudi Arabia?
Is it possible that Allah has purposely led humanity astray regarding this issue? Or has the shortcoming been on our part? The answer to this puzzle can be found in the Qurn,
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and is supported by a mysterious passage in the Bible, whose implications have just recently begun to dawn in the minds of scholars. First, lets see what the Qurn says
{By the r * And a recorded Book * In parchment unrolled. * And the crowded Sanctuary * And the ceiling that is raised. * And the sea that is set aflame. * The retribution of your Rabb is unavoidable * Nothing can stop it}?.
The above passage begins with an oath sworn to Muammad (P), by the malikah of revelation, that the retribution of Allah is unavoidable. The malikah are evidently swearing by certain phenomena or geographical features that are well-known to Muammad the green mountain (r), the Book that is being recorded on animal skins, the ancient and well-established Bayt (sanctuary), the sky that has been raised without pillars, and the sea under which flames erupt (meaning that Muammad lived in a land that - at some point not too long before his time - exhibited volcanic activity).
To all free-thinking believers who refuse to let their minds be enslaved by the understanding of the salaf, we ask the following what does the r (green mountain) have to do with the Bayt? Why are they both mentioned in the same context, in the same passage, and as part of the same oath? Has anyone ever deeply contemplated this? What do all these locations or characteristics have to do with Palestine or Egypt?
{And We sent down from the sky water in due measure, then We let it reside in the earth, and We are capable of taking it away.* So We brought forth for you gardens of palm trees and grapes, for which you will find many fruits and from it you will eat. * And a tree which emerges from the r of Seen, it grows with oil and is a relish for those who eat}?.
Who is being addressed in the above signs? Is it not Muammad (P) and his people? Are they not being asked to contemplate how Allah sends down rain for them to revive the land after its death? Are they not being asked to reflect on how that rain causes the earth to sprout palm trees and grapes for them to eat from? Did Allah not strike for them, as an example, the green, wooded slopes of Seen? Does this not mean that Muammad (P) and his people resided very near that green mountain, and were well familiar with it? How then can it be in Palestine or in Egypt?
{By the fig and the olive * And r Seeneen * And this secure country * We have created man in the best form * Then We returned him to the lowest of the low * Except those who have believed and done good works, they will have a reward that will not end * So what would make you deny the deen after this? * Is Allah not the Wisest of the wise?}?.
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Which ?secure country? is being spoken of in the above signs, and associated with the r? Is it not the same country mentioned in the following?
{I do swear by this country * And you are a dweller in this country * And a father and what he begets}?.
Who, other than Muammad (P), is being addressed here? If the r is in Egypt, or Palestine, then why did Allah associate it with ?the country?? And which country is it then? If, by now, you have jumped to the conclusion that the r is near the city of Makkah, in the southern ijz, then you need to pause and think a bit where, in the vicinity of Makkah, can we find green mountains? Are there any grape orchards, fig, olive, or pomegranate trees anywhere within 500 kilometers of that city?
When you read the precise details given to Muammad (P) in the Qurn, regarding the place where Msa (P) had heard the divine call, you will immediately realize that Muammad (P) must have known that very spot like he knew the palm of his own hand
{So when he reached it, he was called from the edge of the right side of the valley at the blessed area of the tree ?O Msa it is I, Allah, the Rabb of all peoples?}?.
This fact is even more obvious in the following
{And you (O Muammad) were not on the western slope when We decreed the command to Msa. You were not a witness * And We established many nations, and many ages passed them by. And you were not living among the people of Midyan, reciting Our revelations to them. But We were to send messengers * And nor were you on the side of the r when We called. But it is a mercy from your Rabb, so that you may warn a people who received no warner before you, perhaps they may take heed}?.
To elaborate what we are saying, consider the following example would someone, describing certain important past events to you, dear reader, say ?I was there, at the corner of Main Street and 12th Avenue, under the great elm tree. I saw it happen?, if that place wasnt in your own neighborhood or, at the very least, very familiar to you? What sense would such details make if it wasnt? Muammad knew very well where the r was. It was in the secure country, in the vicinity of Midyan, to whose inhabitants Allahs messenger Shu?ayb (P) was sent in the bygone days. It was in Msas very footsteps that Muammad walked. It cannot possibly be any other way.Salaam
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Minus substance, part 3 is a long statement.
{By the r * And a recorded Book * In parchment unrolled. * And the crowded Sanctuary * And the ceiling that is raised. * And the sea that is set aflame. * The retribution of your Rabb is unavoidable * Nothing can stop it}?.
The above passage begins with an oath sworn to Muammad (P), by the malikah of revelation, that the retribution of Allah is unavoidable. The malikah are evidently swearing by certain phenomena or geographical features that are well-known to Muammad the green mountain (r), the Book that is being recorded on animal skins, the ancient and well-established Bayt (sanctuary), the sky that has been raised without pillars, and the sea under which flames erupt (meaning that Muammad lived in a land that - at some point not too long before his time - exhibited volcanic activity).
To all free-thinking believers who refuse to let their minds be enslaved by the understanding of the salaf, we ask the following what does the r (green mountain) have to do with the Bayt? Why are they both mentioned in the same context, in the same passage, and as part of the same oath? Has anyone ever deeply contemplated this? What do all these locations or characteristics have to do with Palestine or Egypt?Some information is given by oath to emphasize its certainty.
Oath is by five objects; one is singular Proper Noun; and other four are by Adjectival phrases. Second one is indefinite noun.
In Arabic Adjectival phrases the second noun depicts the characteristic of principal noun.
And swearing by At-Tur ?
And by a book, its characteristic is that it is written in a line on a qualitatively fine spread paper?
And by the House, its prominent feature is that it is frequented - enlivened - vivified ?
And by the Canopy raised high?
And by the Sea whose characteristic is that fuel is placed in it?
We know concepts like Mountain, Mountain range, Mountain belt, Hill.
A Mountain range is a series of mountains or hills ranged in a line connected by high ground.
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Learned Ibn Faris described its primary signification in these words
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That it leads to the perception of extent, span, and elongation of a thing with regard to space or time. An example of its application is to refer "the pavement, sidewalk of a house, dwelling which extends to its faraway courtyard.
Thereby in contrast to Jabal, a general noun describing mountains, the elongation of Jabal is Mountain range. Needless to say it is a range in the Peninsula of Sinai.
Mountain range is a series of mountains in a line connected with high land and is over some spread area on the surface of the Earth, and a book has written text in a line with space between the words on a spread paper.
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To the reader I regret to have this in several parts, but those itnerested I am sure they will be able to follow the argument starting from the first quote. Of course, those who start from the point of view that the bible is infallible and that absolutely all that is in the Qur'an should be sumitted to what the Bible says, because the bible is the word of God and the Qur'an just the beggar poor relative that copied all from hthe holy bible, should not bother if they are not ready to take real research seriously. Salaam
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On the other hand, the Quran tells us that Muammad was sent forth after a seemingly long absence, a pause - so to speak - in the line of messengers. This fact is made evident by the following sign
{O people of the Book, Our messenger has come to clarify for you after a respite in the messengers*; so that you cannot say ?No bearer of good news or warner has come to us?; for a bearer of good news and a warner has come to you; and Allah is capable of all things}?.
This is what the Quran means when it tells us that Muammad was sent to a people whose fathers had not received any messengers. It is because many centuries had passed between Muammad and his predecessor. It does not mean that no messenger was ever sent to the distant ancestors who lived in the same land. How else can we reconciliate the apparent lack of messengers before Muammad on one hand, with the very clear signs that called on Muammads own people to look upon the ruined homes of those nations who disobeyed their messengers, and who had occupied the same land wherein the Quran was revealed?
By contrast, the previous messengers, all of whom were of one lineage, were sent to their peoples in relatively rapid succession, as is evident in the following
{We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation their messenger, they denied him. So We made them follow one another, and We let them serve as narrated examples}...{2344}.
Concerning Seen, Ibn Manr, author of Lisn?ul ?Arab (Lit The Arabic Tongue), says the following in his famous book
, and Seeneen (as in r Seeneen), which appears in . He suggests that Seen is the actual name of the area or the spot of land; whereas Seeneen is the plural of seeniniyyah, which is a type of tree.
In his book entitled (Lit) The Arabs, The Semites, the Hebrews, and the Children of Israel (1991), scholar and researcher Amad Dwd says
- The Arabic word used in this sign is fatrah ( ) which conveys the meaning of a pause or a break in a succession of messengers.
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What is worth noting here is Dwds indication of a phenomenon that we will encounter very often on our quest to recover Arabias lost history. This phenomenon consists of hijacking the names of locations (towns, mountains, rivers, etc?) or tribes - whether they are mentioned in the Qurn or in the Old Testament - and projecting them onto geographical regions that have absolutely no connection to the original names whatsoever. Most notable among those names are Seen, Yathrib, Makkah, Bakkah, Midyan, and Mir. By the time we reach the end of our journey, we will have come across over a hundred examples of this fraud.
Despite the fact that we disagree with Amad Dwd about the origin and meaning of the name Seen we have to give him credit regarding what he said about the famous peninsula having gotten its name sometime during the 4th Century AD. His observation is actually spot on. In fact, many Jewish and Christian scholars are pretty much unanimous that it was Emperor Constantine (died in 377 AD), who gave that Biblical name to the triangular peninsula lying between Egypt and Palestine. Among those scholars, for example, is John D. Keyser, who stated the following ?It has been a common belief in the Christian world, since the time of Constantine, that the so-called Sinai Peninsula is in fact the location of the legendary mountain mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments, and where God is said to have spoken to Moses. What the vast majority of people dont know is the fact that choosing the peninsula as the site of the Biblical mountain was in fact the result of Emperor Constantines personal opinion?.
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Salaam
- The Arabic word used in this sign is fatrah ( ) which conveys the meaning of a pause or a break in a succession of messengers.
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It is incredible, ununderstandable that with all the things that according to Egypt haters happenned in Egyp or with Egypt to the the peoples, that not even once a great river is mentionned let alone a single time de word Nile, which would be quite conclusivee.
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Instead of it we have springs, not fountains, no, real springs, rivers in plural, and that country with all those things is given to the banu Israil take it over and live in it. And historians unaware of it, and even the bible, the dear old bible, unaware of it.
And supposed believers in the Qur'an fighting hard to uphold those truths and being ever so shocked that it should even be doubted.
Not only is Egypt full of little currents and rivers and springs and is a banana kingdom here the king has to send some guys to get a band to pursue the evaders because it has no army, no police no regular forces of any kind and has to recruit some for the occassion, but also shortly it is going to be taken over by the gang of evaders.
But what can one say? Who came first comes first, and the first to come has been the bible and the bible rules. Even against the very bible.
Salaam
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Thanks. Then what he thinks which country is Misr.
I recall his article saying that Misr means a settlement or a small town. There is no specific country called Misr. There were many Misr at that time.
Present day "Egypt" used to be called "Gypt" in old times. Egypt is a twisted form of "Gypt".
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I recall his article saying that Misr means a settlement or a small town. There is no specific country called Misr. There were many Misr at that time.
Present day "Egypt" used to be called "Gypt" in old times. Egypt is a twisted form of "Gypt".
Grateful. But why he missed Pharaoh claiming
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Thanks. But did he explain by what argument he thought Mulk means a township instead of a kingdom or country.
I hope it is not bothering you.
Not at all Mazhar Bhai. He did not say Mulk means township but he translated Mulk as control or rule of Misr- a township.
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Not at all Mazhar Bhai. He did not say Mulk means township but he translated Mulk as control or rule of Misr- a township.
You please advise whether Possessive Phrase , which is subject noun of and Prepositional Phrase is about elided predicate, could be taken as the Ruler of Misr.
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You please advise whether Possessive Phrase , which is subject noun of and Prepositional Phrase is about elided predicate, could be taken as the Ruler of Misr.
Lets take translation of 4351 from your web site
Know this fact, Fir'aoun/Pharaoh circulated proclamation/address within his Nation, he said,
"O my countrymen/nation, is the state/dominion of Misr not for me, and these streams of water are flowing by my side/underneath ?
Will you people still not see/focus ?
The meaning of dominion
dominion
ExamplesWord Origin
See more synonyms for dominion on Thesaurus.com
noun
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
rule; control; domination.
a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.So means power of governing and controlling of Misr...the township.
I do not see issue with but with "Misr" translated as Egypt. Pizazu has done extensive research and his findings are worth understanding.
Salaam
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bearing in mind that the people of Musa in their wandering seemed to be having with them plenty of cows, we must remember the extensive pastures all over the Sinai peninsula for them to graze to their satisfaction.
Deserts are famous for cows pastures aren't they?
Salaam
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Lets take translation of 4351 from your web site
Know this fact, Fir'aoun/Pharaoh circulated proclamation/address within his Nation, he said,
"O my countrymen/nation, is the state/dominion of Misr not for me, and these streams of water are flowing by my side/underneath ?
Will you people still not see/focus ?
The meaning of dominion
dominion
ExamplesWord Origin
See more synonyms for dominion on Thesaurus.com
noun
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
rule; control; domination.
a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.So means power of governing and controlling of Misr...the township.
I do not see issue with but with "Misr" translated as Egypt. Pizazu has done extensive research and his findings are worth understanding.
Salaam
That was the reason I gave in brackets the sense of the word dominion.
Thanks, your insights on his work have clarified to me what is his view point, reading with First part given by Huruf
The Israelites, led by Msa (P), fled Mir (a prominent walled citadel in ancient Yemen), at night. This is the essence of isr' (the departure from a place in secrecy, without attracting attention). It was not until after Far?awn realized the Israelites had left, that he gathered a party of hunters from the nearby villages, and launched a full pursuit of what he called ?a small band?. Would the great kings of Egypt, who lived in huge palaces with an army ready at their call, prepared to take on rival empires at any time, need to send callers to nearby villages to organize a search party? Would Ramses, Merneptah or Imhotep, personally take it upon themselves to chase a small band across the wilderness of Egypt?
Has he said something about this
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Does he take Jundohum groups of villagers and who is Haman.
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That was the reason I gave in brackets the sense of the word dominion.
Thanks, your insights on his work have clarified to me what is his view point, reading with First part given by Huruf
Has he said something about this
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Does he take Jundohum groups of villagers and who is Haman.
Thank brother Mazhar. I guess you should read his articles and see what he has researched. I do not remember every word he wrote because I read his article long time ago. Below is the link if you want read it
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/1st-E-Book_Search-for-Pharaoh.pdf
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/2nd-E-Book_Road-of-the-Patriarch.pdf
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/3rd-E-Book_Israel-and-Sheba.pdf
https//www.quranite.com/wp-content/uploads/4th-E-Book_The-Assyrian-Storm.pdf
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Novice thanks.
I downloaded his work.
After talking at great length about the Book of Mormon (https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon) he talks about (seems imaginative) a survey about two photographs 3 and 4 calling second which he calls an Arabian as probable Pharaoh.
Interestingly the photograph 4 can not even be considered of a man of Hijaz with that big turban and heavy dress. In peninsula of Arabia one cannot think of putting such heavy turban on head in scorching temperature.
Then he discusses about the origin of name Misr by borrowing hundred percent from a paper already on internet because I found it in my folder on Root Misr, exactly as he has written.
Please reflect on this para of him
//This is why, in the entire text of the Qur?n, we do not come across any mention of the
term Far?awn either before or after Msa?s time. The proof is evident by reading Surah
12 of the Qur?n, which recounts the story of the prophet Ysuf (P). Allah?s book - which
99% of the Muslims have thrown behind their backs - tells us that the title of the ruler of
the place called Mir during Ysuf?s time was al-malik (the king or supreme authority),
while his subordinate was given the title of al-?azeez (meaning ?one who had high status
or power?, or something of the sort). There is no mention of Far?awn anywhere in the
account of Ysuf (P), even though it is presumed that he lived, at most, some 150 years
before Msa ?s time.//Yusuf alahissalam along with his father, mother, brothers and their families are admitted to have settled in Misr. By the passing of time they turned into Bani Israel. And demand from Firaun was to let Bani Israeel go with Musa alahissalam.
He naively forgot or overlooked this speech
It is Chapter 40
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Interestingly the photograph 4 can not even be considered of a man of Hijaz with that big turban and heavy dress. In peninsula of Arabia one cannot think of putting such heavy turban on head in scorching temperature.
Brother Mazhar as I recall his research shows that scene of Misr was southern Arabian Peninsula around Yemen area. Turbans are still worn in that area. Please google Sultan Qaboos and see how he looks in his pictures.
Then he discusses about the origin of name Misr by borrowing hundred percent from a paper already on internet because I found it in my folder on Root Misr, exactly as he has written.
I cannot speak on his behalf. So I dont know if he borrowed from some other research paper.
Yusuf alahissalam along with his father, mother, brothers and their families are admitted to have settled in Misr. By the passing of time they turned into Bani Israel. And demand from Firaun was to let Bani Israeel go with Musa alahissalam.
Does Quran confirms this statement? If not how it is admitted and by whom?
He naively forgot or overlooked this speech
It is Chapter 40
Sorry brother I could not see how it confirms that Prophet Yusuf was in Egypt.