Explanation 40:11
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Peace Novice.
You mean why mankind were created? Or how they were created?
Both are important questions to ask .
The why question leads to what we are talking about in this thread.
I believe Qoran answers both.
The how mankind was created question, I agreed with your take on it and the verses you quoted.
From a single cell(water,materials...) and evolved) + reproduction+ Ruh
GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
You mean why mankind were created? Or how they were created?
Both are important questions to ask .
The why question leads to what we are talking about in this thread.
I believe Qoran answers both.
The how mankind was created question, I agreed with your take on it and the verses you quoted.
From a single cell(water,materials...) and evolved) + reproduction+ Ruh
GOD bless you.
Peace.Why aspect is answered in the Qur'aan
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20being.htm
How aspect is explained rather in detail
Man's Origin History of his coming into being.
http//haqeeqat.pk/Human%20origin.htm
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Peace Mazhar.
Do you believe this happened instantly? ;quote from your link
Aa'dam is the First Man in Human Species. He was created and took existence as fully mature man.I disagree to your statement "Faida sawaytuhu" Fashioning/evolution can take years!
May be this is off topic here ,if others think it is, we can discuss in another thread.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Do you believe this happened instantly? ;quote from your link
Aa'dam is the First Man in Human Species. He was created and took existence as fully mature man.I disagree to your statement "Faida sawaytuhu" Fashioning/evolution can take years!
May be this is off topic here ,if others think it is, we can discuss in another thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.You seem not to have read. I did not say what you said. A mould - Bashr was created -- it was preened - then came the moment to vivify that preened structure - mould - modal. All process mentioned in Qur'aan are explained ayah by ayah.
Pl read again, we will discuss it threadbare.
Ok let us move to I just recalled having posted this topic
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610316.0
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The how mankind was created question, I agreed with your take on it and the verses you quoted.
From a single cell(water,materials...) and evolved) + reproduction+ RuhSalaam good logic
I want to understand how you establish that man was created out of nothing in the light of your above quoted understanding about creation of man.
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Peace Novice.
My understanding of the verse is the first creation was from nothing
"Awalam Yara...Anna Khalaqnahu MIN KABLU Wa lam Yakun Chaian".
MIN KABLU is key here, it means before he was created man.
Otherwise why use MIN KABLU? Before what?
GOD could have said just ; ...Kahlaqnahu Wa Lam Yakun Chaian."?
This and various other verses about "remind us" of our past errors leads me to this understanding.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Ok thanks for the link.
I may join that conversation with you later.
I agree with some of your points there.
"Kul Seeroo FI Al Ardi... Kaifa Badaa Allak Al Khalq...Thumma Yueeduhu..."
Yes for sure evolution of the species took place along with mankind. However each species was designed inside that single cell starter to come out and evolve separately and independently.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Novice.
My understanding of the verse is the first creation was from nothing
"Awalam Yara...Anna Khalaqnahu MIN KABLU Wa lam Yakun Chaian".
MIN KABLU is key here, it means before he was created man.
Otherwise why use MIN KABLU? Before what?
GOD could have said just ; ...Kahlaqnahu Wa Lam Yakun Chaian."?
This and various other verses about "remind us" of our past errors leads me to this understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.1966-69
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and the man says will he be brought forth when he die. (It shows his denial of the truth told to him through the scripture)(
Does the man not reflect that we created him before he was nothing. (the man thinks he is something hence shows arrogance and rejection but before his creation he was dust i.e. nothing.(
So your Rabb is a witness, we will surely gather them and shayateen then make them present around jahannam fallen on their knees.then we will surely draw from every group those who were most rebellious against Ar-Rehman. (The man becomes rebellious when he think he is something.)
So brother good logic this is what I understand from these verses.
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God creates everything from Himself, fromhis rahma
Ar-rahmaan
(Allah) Most Gracious! (1) It is He Who has taught the Qur'an. (2) He has created man (3) He has taught him speech (and intelligence). (4) The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; ....
Read de hole sura.
There can never exist nothing. Sha'i is thing.
Before his creation, man was nothing, no thing, but that does not mean that he was created from nothing, but rather that the creation he is or anything is before its creation is no thing, but God is, and is rahmaan, and all His names.
Salaam
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Thank you brother Novice for your take on the verses.
I understand from them that GOD is saying that we have already been recreated i.e we lived and died(before) and now we are created as humans . So indeed we will be resurrected again as another creation.(GOD creates a cycle and repeats a different cycle so that He completes His plan of Justice and Mercy towards all His creations- Trial, Judgement reward, sanction...Whatever is planned for what He creates)
GOD bless you.
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This topic got of lot of things to research..
lets solve this thing first what is meant by TWICE we give you life and death.
first theory, we were created before in some other forms of life where God ask us for becoming human being then we put to death..
and now here we have again life and death what we will face. 2 + 2 = 4 + we will b alive again for hereafter without getting dead again..so equation is like this 2(life) + 2(death) + 1 life = 5 no dead in hereafter
lets go onto other theory ...just this life and death + the life what we will get hereafter
so equation is like this 2(life) + 1 (death)... = 3
how you guys make it 2(lifes) + 2 (death) = 4 ?
you all knowledgeable people are jumping to second step without solving the first core subject of the verse.
whether we created from nothing or we were nothing.. will come after the first step.. police -
1775 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death
4011 They will say "Our Lord, You have made us die twice, and You have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state?"
Guys apparently nobody's interested in the equation but i found another verse saying something similar.
RED is there is any hint of re-incarnation ?
or we can come back again and again thats REAL hell and once we passed we dnt have to come back ?
thats y death is mystery no religion give details of afterlife?
becoz if we know the mystery it will b no fun everybodys enjoying life relaxly that we will come back i dun know tbh lol .but reincarnation is something interesting to think about, specially one chance philosphy is quite risky i feel ?
what you say lovely members ?
these two verses also hints towards evolutionary process of species and cells may b ?
becoz twice and double also used as multiplied respectively. example verse below.5711 Who will lend God a loan of righteousness that He may multiply it for him, and he will have a generous recompense.
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I think we were alive in some form before being put to death and resurrected in the womb. Then we die again in this life and we're resurrected again to return to our Lord. Anything beyond that seems like conjecture.