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Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder

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    Mazhar
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    //And which period do you think that this "Pharaoh Of Moses Time" lived?

    We can then compare it to actual archeological findings...//

    Not time, but duration.

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      Makaveli
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      A man with a little common sense and IQ would realize that Qur'aan is a non-fiction book. Nothing symbolical and mystical.

      Really? What's the point of 351, 234? Come on, one short answer from you for both verses - it should be scientific, clear and not a mystical.

      Qur?n is an explicit elucidation for the peoples at large.

      There is nothing "explicit elucidation for the people at large" in that verse. Not to mention you got the definition of the Qur'an wrong.

      This (Grand Qur?n) is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind. The purpose is that they might get warned-admonished-awakened by it.

      So why don't you wake up already and write non-sensical stuff instead?

      Qualitatively, it (Qur?n) is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener. .

      Does your deluded world understand what the "glad tidings" is?

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        I actually had to split his non-sense in few halves. This is becoming ridiculous.

        Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen it (Qurn) have purposely abstained adhering it. Thereby, they people persistently listen not.

        Look at definition of kafara when you get time, and then look at the mirror.

        It is a fact it (Qurn) is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger

        Nothing about a Qur'an in in. You inject words on a freely basis, eh?

        Another type of texts, difficult to interpret at the time of narration and writing, are statements of soothsayers - prognosticators. Qurn is easy to interpret because it is not a discourse narrated by a soothsayer - prognosticator

        O really? Interpret me 901, make it an easy interpretation.

        No..instead, he simply parrots verses because it tells him

        And neither it (Qurn) is an Oral and written expression of a soothsayer - prognosticator.

        Yet little is that you people try self retaining and comprehending it.

        Indeed it (Grand Qurn) is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear.

        The verse has nothing of what you just listed.

        Grand Qurn illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as if they were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually.

        You do not know what are you talking about.

        But certain people for reason are debarred even understanding the surface meanings of the text.

        Yes, they think it is a historical book, and do not even understand the definition let alone a purpose of the Quran. Poor folk.

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          Narcissists Personality Disorder does not mean and refer every ruler. Just first study it in some psychology book.

          Oh yes it does. Anyone who is capable of ruling others by force is narcissistic and a psychopath, who per definition is incapable of empathy towards suffering of other humans. Since you have a veil over your mind and a slave mentality you still dualistically divide "bad" and "good" rulers. If you could understand the Quran you wouldn't.

          The problem of many people, a disaster, is dualism, which is a form of shirk, like it or not. But the longer you abide in your castrated worldview and deception the longer it will take for you to realize what is the core problem of your thinking and useless tractates which bear no historical or religious purpose and are a product of mindless verse juggling, made of combining random verses, which are not contextually consistent, and using own flawed logic to impose a meaning on such a mixture.

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            Oh yes it does. Anyone who is capable of ruling others by force is narcissistic. Since you have a veil over your mind and a slave mentality you still dualistically divide "bad" and "good" rulers. If you could understand the Quran you wouldn't.

            You have some psychological problem and some delusions. Better consult a psychiatrist. First tell him what you perceive from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

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              You have some psychological problem and some delusions. Better consult a psychiatrist. First tell him what you perceive from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

              What is my psychological problem and where am I deluded? Perhaps it is you who should consult a psychologist to find out the root cause of your mindless tractates which is nothing but a worthless diatribe, which you claim to be "historical" or "scientific" work.

              I already gave you a definition of narcisstic behavior. It is plain and simple, an incapability of showing mercy and feeling empathy towards suffering of other human beings, which an archonic (based on hierarchy and control) ruler by definition is, as opposite to the leader, who suffers the same scenario as people who trust their lives to him.

              Your dualism and deception prevent you from understanding it. This is why you keep parroting random verses you have no understanding of.

              Why? Because you were decieved, was lost in your spiritual guidance, got dissapointed with mainstream Islam, but since you still needed a spiritual guidance you entered the book-worship bandwagon. I give you hints that the book you deem as "absolutely clear" is in fac the answer to your suffering and stupidity. But since it is obvious how illogical you sound, means you did not grasp the meaning of the book, your delusion does not cease. Start with basmallh, and think why it appears at the beggining of the chapters. But you will probably ignore my words.

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                Mazhar
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                What is my psychological problem and where am I deluded? Perhaps it is you who should consult a psychologist to find out the root cause of your mindless tractates which is nothing but a worthless diatribe, which you claim to be "historical" or "scientific" work.

                Advice was sincere. Do visit a psychiatrist. Tell him what name you chose for appearance on internet. Also show him some scripts of your writing. He will quickly diagnose the problem and start rehabilitation work.

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                  Advice was sincere. Do visit a psychiatrist. Tell him what name you chose for appearance on internet. Also show him some scripts of your writing. He will quickly diagnose the problem and start rehabilitation work.

                  Is that all you could respond? Is that what your age long intellectual capacity did develop into? Is this your Rabb's final form? Or are you still evolving? Perhaps you should write another worthless diatribe on Quran and psychological issues in accordance with the Quran? I would gladly write another review )

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                    Is that all you could respond? Is that what your age long intellectual capacity did develop into? Is this your Rabb's final form? Or are you still evolving? Perhaps you should write another worthless diatribe on Quran and psychological issues in accordance with the Quran? I would gladly write another review

                    Salama

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                      It is clear ignorance of ancient Egypt in this forum is colossal, and always ignorance is very daring. Slandering aciente Egypt, since the bible does it seems to be a holy crusade.

                      Speaking about narcissism, in this forum there is disproportionet concentration of it. Any know all spews nonsense about Egypt at any time and about ancient Egypt at all times.

                      So much narcissism and ignorance together is depressing and the great doctor in egyptology seems to be the bible-cum holywood.

                      The facts about Ra-messes II has NO REFERENCE to Bible.
                      He was a good example of both Narcissistic and Psychopatic ruler.
                      Based on Archaeological findings.
                      Along with many other examples (ie Nero, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Mary of Tudor, Kim Jong Un, Saddam Hussein and to some extent Donald Trump)

                      I do wonder why you have such sensitivity to Ancient Egypt?
                      Why you do NOT complaint about the "level of ignorance about North Korea" since the description also gives out Kim Jong Un as an example.

                      It seems that you are self-identifying yourselves only with Egypt???
                      Thus anything 'bad' being told about Egypt you consider it as an attack to you? (and your identity)

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                        Makaveli
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                        Salama

                        I wish you would abide in selam as well, not duality. But I guess selam is also a meaningless word for you, which is "clear" and not "mystic", correct?

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                          The facts about Ra-messes II has NO REFERENCE to Bible.
                          He was a good example of both Narcissistic and Psychopatic ruler.
                          Based on Archaeological findings.
                          Along with many other examples (ie Nero, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Mary of Tudor, Kim Jong Un, Saddam Hussein and to some extent Donald Trump)

                          I do wonder why you have such sensitivity to Ancient Egypt?
                          Why you do NOT complaint about the "level of ignorance about North Korea" since the description also gives out Kim Jong Un as an example.

                          It seems that you are self-identifying yourselves only with Egypt???
                          Thus anything 'bad' being told about Egypt you consider it as an attack to you? (and your identity)

                          YOu are completely off and being in this forum many years has not helpt you at all.

                          You have no idea of ancient Egypt, that is the problem, you merely parrot all clishes, like slavery.

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            peace Guys,

                            why people think they cant be recognize/identify.

                            the only problem with such type of intelligent person is = he imagine rest of them are fool and D...heads.. ( rotfl)
                            so other people called such type of person as over-confident ( yay)

                            a famous psychological disorder (if somebody struggling understanding his problem)

                            multiple personalities in one character.. in terms of forums a person who come again and again by different IDz is suffering from this possible psychological disorder..

                            WARNING its dangerous if handle with ignorance.. (most of them ended in mental asylum).
                            SYMPTOMS ( a person feel himself insightful person and the highest knowledgeable person throughout the world)
                            SOMETIMES even imagine himself as prophet or part of God too ..

                            CURE .. brickwall or elektro or whatever or pr

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                              Assalam Alaykum. I'm just curious about Narcissistic Personality Disorder though I am not one of those diagnosed. 1) How would you explain the psychological origin of NPD in Islamic Psychology like what is the ego and superego and what happens? 2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood? Can they control it or is it like any other disorder that can develop? 3) Is there any cure for it Islamically? If yes, what is it exactly? If no, what does the person do if he is Muslim because he won't truly be sincere? Will he be destined for hell? 4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim? I mean can the disorder and the faith coexist? How? Why not? 5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer? I would really appreciate that you answer them for me. Thank you.

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                                Assalam Alaykum. I'm just curious about Narcissistic Personality Disorder though I am not one of those diagnosed. 1) How would you explain the psychological origin of NPD in Islamic Psychology like what is the ego and superego and what happens? 2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood? Can they control it or is it like any other disorder that can develop? 3) Is there any cure for it Islamically? If yes, what is it exactly? If no, what does the person do if he is Muslim because he won't truly be sincere? Will he be destined for hell? 4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim? I mean can the disorder and the faith coexist? How? Why not? 5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer? I would really appreciate that you answer them for me. Thank you.

                                Salamun alaika,

                                Ayah 8-20 describes people of a certain psyche - Narcissist

                                Concept?theme

                                The text of paragraph is expository a type of informational text that provides factual information about a topic using a clear, non-narrative organizational structure with a major topic and supporting information. It is written in a way that doesn't assume that the reader has prior knowledge of the subject matter. It is used to explain things rather than argue a point.
                                Here it describes people who are termed in the discipline of Psychology as "Narcissists". It is a personality disorder. A critical reader will find that the Grand Qur?n classifies and portrays people by their psychology and assigns them a typical name-term for identification. Like a superb coherent paragraph, it discloses in ascending order the characteristic features of the Narcissist in the society of believers of exalted last Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam . The first is that they are Impostor Believers Introduction of a peculiar class of people belonging exclusively to the Believer's society http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00026.%20Yunfiqoon%20Noon%20Fa%20Qaaf/14.gif , "the Narcissist" and they are the wanderers http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00018.%20Zualeen%20Zuad%20Lam%20Lam%20negligent%20astray/1.gif the second category of people who follow not Siratal Mustaqeem as stated in 16-7. The paragraph will close by exemplifying these people with natural phenomenon that images their inner-self to facilitate the believers recognizing them.

                                People of a certain psyche Ayah 28-20

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                                  The above "explanation" from Mazhar is a plain disrespect in the name of common sense, critical thinking, philosophy and literary studies. Not only does he attract his personal limited worldview to 28-20, which by the way states nothing about arrogance, which is what a narciss per definition is, it is personal arrogance and solipsism, but it speaks about delusion/cover; he actually makes two distinguishable erreneous conclusions

                                  1. His explanation of 28-20 contradicts 234, when a methaphisical created is termed as kafiruun, whereas the former verses speak of ordinary human beings. Now when I bring this up look him trying to solve this, he will say it has to do with "rejection" on his side for this reason he is termed like this. So, is he a disbeliever, an arrogant narcisstic persona, or a rejector?

                                  If Iblis is a disbeliever - that does not make sense, he gives an oath to God and speaks in a quite respectful manner to him;

                                  If Iblis is a rejector - well, yes, he refused to bow to Adam, but how is this sort of rejection relate to 28-20?

                                  If Iblis is arrogant - again, in the beginning of Baqara it states that their hearts are sealed, meaning they have no choice believing or disbelieving in God, or their condition is flawed to an extent they cannot see obvious processes happening in their lives (something I notice among inhabitants of this forum as well); therefore arrogance or narcissism is nowhere defined explicitly at least in 28-20.

                                  By the way, there is nothing mystical in the Quran according to Mazhar's earlier conclusion, so therefore 234 should not even bother him altogether.

                                  1. He said

                                  Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam

                                  If something demands to call himself like this, with exalted titles and mantras, that is he who is an arrogant narciss, which is everything we know about Mahomet.

                                  So again, we clearly see contradictory and dualistic views of Mazhar. If something is culturally accepted, for instance, that the Kings of Ancient Egypt were "bad", fine, let's make up a diatribe "proving" their psychological disorder (as if hundreds of other kings can't be measured with such); but if something in his culture is regarded as "good", let us say 'salallaahoalaih wasalam' after his name.

                                  Now, substitute Firun and Mahomet and there we go, in a parralel universe Mazhar would write the very same diatribes proving that Mahomet was a narcisstic persona and Firun alallaahoalaih wasalam was God's messenger...

                                  And what is the difference between Salallaahoalaih wasalam and Firun?

                                  1. Both were rulers, meaning they had a personal army;

                                  2. Both were rulers and therefore had slaves;

                                  3. Both probably led a very excessive lifestyle in regards to power, faith and sexual pleasures, because that's what culturally comes to mind when we speak of Pharaoh's and that's what is known from the ahadith literature about Mahomet (read below what I think about this first);

                                  4. Both were rulers and were higher standing in social hierarchy;

                                  5. Both were murdering people, including unarmed folk, including contract murdering or murder per order;

                                  6. Both were arrogant and demanded special treatment towards their 'divine' persona.

                                  Except that we know nothing about the Biblical and Quranic Firun as a historical persona outside of Biblical and Quranic narratives, which make it an archetype and not a historical figure as I alreday told; and the facts about Mahomet are contradictory and have authenticity issue (like anything in history). But, if we only measure them by the Qur'an, for instance, then what is the point of saying salallaahoalaih wasalam after someone who is not even mentioned in there?

                                  Quran says nothing about a person called Mahomet, and these 4 words allegedly attributed to him (out of more 6400+ verses in the whole book) do not even explain a context about him, and clearly mean a different thing, not a person.

                                  I know what 'muhammad' in the Quran refers to. But people being subject to their own flaws and degraded worldview do not let alone require answers.

                                  And in the context of his discourse he by the way mentions

                                  A critical reader will find
                                  as if he himself is unsure whether his explanation is "critical" enough so that he tries to impose his view by stating that only "critical minded individuals like I am" will understand it.

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                                    The above "explanation" from Mazhar is a plain disrespect in the name of common sense, critical thinking, philosophy and literary studies. Not only does he attract his personal limited worldview to 28-20, which by the way states nothing about arrogance, which is what a narciss per definition is, it is personal arrogance and solipsism, but it speaks about delusion/cover; he actually makes two distinguishable erreneous conclusions

                                    Dear, what is the shape of your eyebrows?

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                                      Makaveli
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                                      Dear, what is the shape of your eyebrows?

                                      Good idea, you could write another wonderful (i.e. full of wonders of logic) article on the Quran and the eyebrows, I am sure you could juggle anatomy of human head out of the verses.

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                                        Good idea, you could write another wonderful (i.e. full of wonders of logic) article on the Quran and the eyebrows, I am sure you could juggle anatomy of human head out of the verses.

                                        I have not found mention of eyebrows in the semantic domain body-parts in Qur'an.

                                        I had just tried to visualize your face in my imagination. It was in that connection. You wish not to share, it is okay.

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                                          Makaveli
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                                          I had just tried to visualize your face in my imagination.

                                          If you do not have any other worries, then I am fine, but there is I think more crucial things for you to contemplate upon, don't you find?

                                          I have not found mention of eyebrows in the semantic domain body-parts in Qur'an.

                                          As if you have found anything else you keep writing about.

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