Are there Female prophetess

centi50

I have no idea what made you to claim that Maryam / Mary mother of Maseeh Isa is a Prophet (and remember all prophets were messengers that?s incontrovertible).. Sometimes being as women in the man controlled society is such a hefty task.. but it doesn?t mean that women quarrel against what God has planned.. That?s then total defile. Just coz all prophets names are not mentioned in the quran doesn?t mean that we can surmise there could have been female Prophets.. That?s so bizarre of conclusion.. It?s only a speculation.. Speculation cannot be equaled to the truth.. Even you claimed it unwittingly, that?s a statement that cannot be succored with Quranic in depth or basic meaning?
Let?s look at the following verse?I know Aswaj could be Wife / Spouse / husband?but this verse perfectly fit for wife?.
1338 And verily We sent messengers (to mankind) before thee (Mohamed), and We appointed for them (lahum) wives (Aswaj )and offspring, and it was not (given) to any messenger that he (yatiya) should bring a portent save by Allah's leave. For everything there is a time prescribed.
There is no concrete verse that proves that there was Prophet in female gender.. Pls prove with quran if you were really deliberate with your statement?
342 And when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
Even in the above verse, there is no proof to claim Mary was a prophet? You were guessing, Miss Huruf, Imran?s wife wanted a son to sacrifice for the purpose of preaching god?s messages, but it didn?t happen, but she was satisfied with what God blessed her with.. It doesn?t mean that Mary was a mean person or second to Prophets.. That God knows how highly ranked she was by God? But we cannot claim she was a prophet.. Remember God furnishes example for two best women, one of those is Mary and King Pharaoh?s wife.. so we cannot claim Pharaoh?s wife was a prophet? That?s absolutely trespassing against quran..

Further read 344-50
In above verses, Maryam was given a glad tiding of a Prophet / Messenger to be born as her son? There is not in a single place in Quran mentioned ?Isa, Son of prophet Mary..? She was just a good person whom God admired? she will have her reward..
2191 has nothing to claim she was a prophet?.Positions of Prophets cannot be claimed by us.. but rather it should have been assigned by God..well known prophets with clear mentioning in the book is evidence and never mentioned prophets are something that no one can claim.. coz it?s unknown? Maryam?s name is mentioned alone and together with Isa many times, but still God didn?t mention it? But you claim She was a prophet that you will never ever prove with quran? That?s where things went wrong for few of those catholic who took Mary separate and Jesus separate?
Give everyone with proofs how you deduced it? So others will have a scope to put their thoughts into it..
God guide you to right path if your objective was unpremeditated? being a woman is no mean thing and being man is not a thing to boast around? God judge with heart?.

Dear Centi50,,, what was your intention by raising this question? Are you a female? Do you need equal right or equal in everything?
God bless all believers?

Salam jkhan

My intention was knowledge

God bless

Amra94

Mary was given revelations from God through the angels that she would give birth to Jesus and she was told details about him.(345) So it was unseen knowledge that came true given to her from God. Seems like she was a prophet in the sense that she was given a prophecy that came true.

jkhan

Salam Amra94....
God's verses cannot be taken for granted so easily with one verse. 345 never permit you to conclude that Marryam was a prophet.. The messages which came to all prophets were meant to relay to people and nothing is deliberately or unknowingly can be kept without conveying or be hidden.. That's why messengers duty to pass it as it was revealed .. If you hypothetically assume that the message that Marryam received was a message for all the people of where Marryam lived then Marryam cannot keep it with her.. She should reveal to all.. We don't find any verses support that Marryam went to place to place in delivering the message of child to be born for her... As per Quran till she brought the child no one even knew of her close people.. That's a personal message.. As the below personal message for the wife of Prophet ibrahim... Note carefully Messengers talked to the wife of Ibrahim ..note feminine uses in the verse throughout..
1169 -74
And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing a roasted calf.
But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot.
And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob
She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"
They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable.
And when the fright had left Abraham and the good tidings had reached him, he began to argue with Us concerning the people of Lot.
In above verses Ibrahim's wife directly speaking to angel messengers in the absence of Ibrahim... So the original message of bearing a child was passed to her.. At last only Ibrahim comes to know about glad tidings. So now can any one claim she was a prophet since she was given a message from God through angel messengers physically .. These are personal messages.. And there is a way God talk to people... Just coz Allah communicated with anyone in either of the mode mentioned in below verse doesn't mean they will become prophets.. But prophets are selection by God for specific task targeting for guidance of people being as an agent between God and Man..
4251 To no mortal does God speak but through revelation, from behind a curtain, or by sending a Messenger who reveals, by His permission whatever He pleases. He is the Most High and the All-wise.
Even in my understanding there was no prophets in Jin, and Human prophets were assigned for them for their guidance... That's why Jin flocked to Mohamed and were listening to quran and left with the message to spread to their community and further Jin themselves claimed that they heard a wonderful recitation (quran) after Torah.. So it shows they have been following the previous books before the advent of Quran..
Yes centi50; gathering knowledge is the best resort for salvation but while gathering claiming a thing in support of you as if your knowledge is complete is not part of gathering knowledge.. Gain the knowledge and be thorough and then with substantial proof claim anything... That's verification ..
In such way there are many examples that you can take as support for which God spoke to human in whatever the mode for some personal messages...
Claiming things which has no support in Quran is sheer blasphemy..
God bless believers...

huruf

Denying prophets is kufr, you are denying Maryam one of the main prophets, chosen by God for the world and chosen by God for the omen of the worlds.

Maryam is mentionned in sura 21 al anbia' among the prohets, but no, all of them mentionned there are prophets except Maryam.

If you ere as stingy with male prophets as with Maryam there would nto be one prophet left.

I is sickenning how sick some males can become at the mere idea that a woman should be a prophet. Nobody has ever put up such a fight to say somebody was or was nto a prophet. One would think anybody should be happy about a woman prophet, since it is indeed a good thing, a mercy of God, but no, God is prohibited by male meanness to send a woman or many women prophets. Some males prohibit it. They seem to believe that somehow they are stake-holders in prophethood by their mere male attributes and while not folloing the example of male prophets, God forbid, still want to participate in their glory. Laughable.
They do not cause any orejudice to Maryam but to thir own selves.

Thank God there are males who are not laughable, but are faithful, believers, and try at least to follow the example of prophets, male and female, and are therefore humble and not deluded by their male "powers".

Nice crusade the one to divest Maryam and any woman of prophethood. Prophecy is a male business don't you dare encroach on that monopoly, not even God may do that. Astaghfirullah.

The jealousy for womanhood runs strong and unacknowledged in some self-hating males. Unlike any prophet, they can't forgive womanhood. Like Lut's people.

Salaam

jkhan

You have not brought in your reply any distinct proof or evidence to make your claim more viable for me or anyone, but rather more aggressive approach negating the presented proofs..
I cant help in this issue unless you bring tangible quran based proof..
Only matter you keep repeating saying that about Mary is mentioned in chapter 21 and rest mentioned are prophets and the chapter name is Prophets.. Anyhow there is no proof for chapter headings and who assigned those headings unknown and irrelevant and it was not a revealed heading?
Note in the same chapter 217-8 ?And We sent not before you, , except men (rijal) to whom We revealed , so ask the people of the message if you do not know. And We did not make the prophets forms not eating food, nor were they immortal .?
In these two verses note usage of words which are all masculine?
2191 And the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her through Our angel , and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
What is the proof in the above verse my dear forum members to claim that Mary was a prophet? Let me know pls, in case I am misguided ?
2190 So We answered him, and bestowed on him John, and We set his wife right for him; truly they vied with one another, hastening to good works, and called upon Us out of yearning and awe; and they were humble to Us.
Look at the above verse? does it prove that the wife of John also a prophet since she is included in this chapter?
God is talking about the few of the past people who were good and giving sort of righteous example to Mohamed and of course for us as well? I don?t even see a single person is called as prophet (nabi) in front of their respective names in this chapter but either by their name or indirect way that we have to find out with comparison.. its not anything to claim about prophet hood. Satan always make deception, the deceptive chapter heading made you to convince yourself that Mary was a prophet..
I love women or not that God knows.. no need certificate from a mortal?
May the One Created us bless believers

jkhan

Sorry i have add these few verses to the topic in order it would give more sense for those who have not read these verse before...

333-39
33 Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds ?
34 Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
35 , when the wife of 'Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated , so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
36 But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and her descendants from Satan, the expelled ."
37 So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this to you?" She said, "It is from Allah. Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account."
38 At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, "My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication."
39 So the angels called him while he was standing in prayer in the chamber, "Indeed, Allah gives you good tidings of John, confirming a word from Allah and honorable, abstaining , and a prophet from among the righteous."
Read the above few verses and lets find our whether Mary is considered as Prophet in these verses.. in 333 Noah and Abraham family is mentioned and they both prophets, so can we come to conclusion that Imran and Adam also could have been prophets? That?s not possible?
35-36 Imran?s wife is supplicating saying she is pledging what is in her womb for God ..in simple she wants her child to grow and preach God?s message..But when she found that it is SHE, imran?s wife saying to God ?My Lord I have delivered a female..? what actually she wanted for the purpose she intended is a male. But her supplication was not fulfilled.. coz God has a different plan.. She herself said.. ?MALE is not like FEMALE..?
But note 38-39 of Zackaria?s supplication, he didn?t specifically requested a male child but an offspring.. But God gave him a male child that also God named him and said he is a prophet and note the difference for Mary her mother named her.. God has his own words that cannot be changed with supplications unless it goes with his pre-planned word? that we all should understand..

huruf

Man, you invent like made, you have no idea and you attribute to God your own meanness, and also by the way to the mother of Maryam.

It may surprise you, but you are not God nor a delegate of God nor inspired by God.
The history of the people of Lut applies to you. They also disliked females.

Salaam

Amra94

Salam Amra94....
God's verses cannot be taken for granted so easily with one verse. 345 never permit you to conclude that Marryam was a prophet.. The messages which came to all prophets were meant to relay to people and nothing is deliberately or unknowingly can be kept without conveying or be hidden.. That's why messengers duty to pass it as it was revealed .. If you hypothetically assume that the message that Marryam received was a message for all the people of where Marryam lived then Marryam cannot keep it with her.. She should reveal to all.. We don't find any verses support that Marryam went to place to place in delivering the message of child to be born for her... As per Quran till she brought the child no one even knew of her close people.. That's a personal message.. As the below personal message for the wife of Prophet ibrahim... Note carefully Messengers talked to the wife of Ibrahim ..note feminine uses in the verse throughout..
1169 -74
And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing a roasted calf.
But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot.
And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob
She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"
They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable.
And when the fright had left Abraham and the good tidings had reached him, he began to argue with Us concerning the people of Lot.
In above verses Ibrahim's wife directly speaking to angel messengers in the absence of Ibrahim... So the original message of bearing a child was passed to her.. At last only Ibrahim comes to know about glad tidings. So now can any one claim she was a prophet since she was given a message from God through angel messengers physically .. These are personal messages.. And there is a way God talk to people... Just coz Allah communicated with anyone in either of the mode mentioned in below verse doesn't mean they will become prophets.. But prophets are selection by God for specific task targeting for guidance of people being as an agent between God and Man..
4251 To no mortal does God speak but through revelation, from behind a curtain, or by sending a Messenger who reveals, by His permission whatever He pleases. He is the Most High and the All-wise.
Even in my understanding there was no prophets in Jin, and Human prophets were assigned for them for their guidance... That's why Jin flocked to Mohamed and were listening to quran and left with the message to spread to their community and further Jin themselves claimed that they heard a wonderful recitation (quran) after Torah.. So it shows they have been following the previous books before the advent of Quran..
Yes centi50; gathering knowledge is the best resort for salvation but while gathering claiming a thing in support of you as if your knowledge is complete is not part of gathering knowledge.. Gain the knowledge and be thorough and then with substantial proof claim anything... That's verification ..
In such way there are many examples that you can take as support for which God spoke to human in whatever the mode for some personal messages...
Claiming things which has no support in Quran is sheer blasphemy..
God bless believers...

Salam

2136
Say, "We have believed in God... and what was given to the prophets from their Lord."
We were given the prophecy that was given to Mary not only in the Qur'an, but also in the Gospel. This was not just a personal prophecy to Mary, as we all know this prophecy, Christians, Muslims and nonbelievers alike all know this prophecy. Do you believe what was given to Mary? You are supposed to, as you are supposed to believe what was given to the prophets from their Lord. You can play semantics all you like, but Mary was given a prophecy from God, which came true and we are all familiar with what was given to Mary, which makes her a prophet.

hawk99

Salam to All,

I am just wondering if there were female prophetess. Does the Quran have anything about this

God bless

Peace centi50 I can not find the mention of a female prophet via
Quran. nope

peace

jkhan

2"136 Say, , "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims to Him
Amra94 this is the complete verse you referring in your reply.. And claiming that prophets are to be obeyed and Mary is one of them.. Note few prophets names only mentioned here and others were mentioned as prophets... And note how the verse is constructed..... .."FROM THEIR LORD.. ANY OF THEM... " these verses are masculine forms.. If Mary or any other female prophets were assigned by God, God would have specifically elaborated at least in one of the verses... Thanks God that quran is in Arabic...
BTW with this verse no one can claim Mary was a Prophet... No evidence at all...
Okay Huruf call me anything you wish and compare me with Lot society or anything worse.. I don't mind... For me God's certificate is vital... Since you reminded about Lot people and since the topic here is about woman Prophet.. I would like to say something about Lot society based on QURAN...God will people will put a thought to it and verify... Everyone thinks that in community of Lot, men were the only culprit... But for me big NO... God destroyed whole of that city and shifting Lot and his daughters away from it sparing his wife with the rest..
2931And when Our messengers came to Abraham with the good tidings, they said, "Indeed, we will destroy the people of that Lot's city. Indeed, its people have been wrongdoers."
And indeed God said to destroy the entire city calling it's people were wrongdoers... God didn't single out saying to destroy the Men who practiced sodomy of that city.. If men were doing sodomy in one nation can we assume women in that city to be pure... Not probably n practically... Women cannot be kept away in a city... If families were living in that city then children would have been of course.. If children, then women would have had connection with men... What went wrong then???... Possible option 1..The women of that city would have never cared about what there husbands were practicing ..2 and would be keenly supporting to what the men doing ... 3 they could have been lesbians as well... . Why to destroy a city when the women of that city were pure ... That's totally unfair from God's point of view...
2932 Abraham] said, "Indeed, within it is Lot." They said, "We are more knowing of who is within it. We will surely save him and his family, except his wife. She is to be of those who remain behind."
Here most kind man Ibrahim worried about Lot and didn't even say that there were believing women also there.. When Ibrahim referred Lot be definitely mean his family too... God promised to save Lot family except his wife.. Family -AHL Or AALA (sometimes can be those who are believers with a prophet).. But here in this city it seems only Lot and his daughters...
1181 The angels said, "O Lot, indeed we are messengers of your Lord; , they will never reach you. So set out with your family during a portion of the night and let not any among you look back - except your wife; indeed, she will be struck by that which strikes them. Indeed, their appointment is the morning. Is not the morning near?"
So as per above verse Lot wife was one of those women who faced this destiny of wrath.. Observe carefully.. Messengers came to Lot and asked Him and his family to move during the night and even not told Lot to inform all the women of the city to join with him in order to save them...but not.. So it would have been a mammoth task for Lot to reach Evey household and inform them without knowing to the Men... Or else the message of destruction should have reached Lot well in advance and the women of the city should have informed repeatedly about a destruction to fall upon the city so that they could arrange themselves... But message was instant brought at night and asked to leave same night and morning was destruction... The destruction is not merely based on sodomy and more than that for which women also responsible...
I verify based on above conclusions women of Lot city also suffered the same agony which men faced with coz of one of the above reasons I indicated...
Now claiming only Men were wrong that society is purely biased statement... Don't forget when a destruction comes it destroyed men women and children as well. Coz God knows the destiny of children of such society as well...
No clue whether amra, centi50 or Huruf are born as Christians being mother toung Arabic and later you studied quran and started believing to certain extent and still unable to get out of the shackles of believing Mary to be as prophetic figure or something beyond that which was taught to you in your early life..i feel it monitoring your responses.. I find in my friends or even in this forum many who claim to be quran only but still they drag the hadith with them... Both categories are same.. People are are born and taught with certain set of beliefs but once they found the extreme truth and if they cannot discard their former belief then they will be in dilemma...
God bless believers

huruf

Peace centi50 I can not find the mention of a female prophet via
Quran. nope

peace

So why is Maryam mentionned in sura 21, al anbiaa' in the realation of prophets one after the other. Why she should be there?

And if she is not a prophet what is she? Bause obviously she is something, and something most important according to Qur'an, or are all those things mentionned and calling her an aya means nothing?

To wit that the loss for denying Maryam is nto Maryam's or God's loss, but the denier's loss.

Salaam

centi50

Salam to All,

1643 And We did not send any except men before you whom We inspired, so ask the people who have received the Reminder if you do not know.

Just read this today, so I am wondering does this mean all messengers were men or does mean something else.

God bless

huruf

You have to bear in mind the meaning of the root r-j-l, to go on foot, walk. Rajul is not sex derived, but standing derived, like let us say it is a sociological meaning, just like nisaa', plural of woman, imra't, is a sociological meaning.

r-j-l denotes a person able to walk by him.herself, to stand by him or herself, whereas nisaa' refers to time-tide happenings or events. Obviously there are different time circumstances in a woman's life, that do not happen in man's life.
But there may be men also ho have such circumstance for hatever reason. So rajul-rijaal and nisaa' are sociological constructs.

So women indeed can be rijaal and so has been the term been used. Rijaal-ul-lah is ell known concept in islamic spirituality and it includes women.

Also, please look ayas from 7.46 onwards and tell me whether those who are meant do have to have the attributes of males or whether it is indifferent.

Prophets of any sex, by their very condition are rijaal, even if they are also nisaa'. Prophets stand by themselves on their, feet or rather are kept so by God.

As to aya you mention it has to be understood as comprising both sexes since beside hat is being asserted is not the sex of anybody but the fact that God's inspires them. The fact that they would have a particular sex is of no significance nor it stated so, because if that was the idea, there is in the Qur'an very widely used term which it unequivocally determines the sex of the person, and as said, very, very widely used which is dhakar, plural dhukran or dhukur, and for the ome there is unthaa, plural inaathaa, if any of dhkar or unthaa is used, then you are completely remited to the sex of the person. If God had wanted to signify that, the use of dhakar would have been required.

If you take 16.43 to mean dhakar, you are taking a step of your own accord, imposing a particular sex on the will of God to send messengers or prophets or warners. Not God is taking that step, you are taking it. And by that step, whoever takes it is saying that Maryam was not inspired, that she had no mission from God, that God in the Qur'an is talking to us about her just for fun, no meaning to it. She means nothing to humanity nor for the women of humanity, that she is just any mother of a prophet as there are so many, many mothers of prophets who are never named nor mentionned in the Qur'an, least of all that by God's order their sons are named by the order og God by the name of their mother and not the other way around. Oh, yes, they will say to you, because he had no father, really? he had grandfather, he had uncles, he had males he could have been named after, and tht is very much used in semitic societies. Maryam seems to be that kind of hook God puts many times int he Qur'an where hypocrites can cling in order to appears as believers while in fact they believe more in their male body parts than in God.

I repeat again, it is a pity if you cannot read arabic, but pray to God, that he inspires you to dig truth out of mistranslations or unsifficient translations, because Maryam is decisive, for humanity and for women.

You see, God has told us about many male prophets int he Qur'an and in spite of it, you see that there are males that cling like hell to the maculinity of prophethood, but do nto follow, God forbid, the example set by prophets. Self effacing, self-sacrificing, humble, alwways serviciable to people, included, eminently women people.

In fact, don't you feel that it is indredible ludicrous that one big discussion amonst muslims should be that omen cannot be prophets, or that Maryam cannot be a prophet? What is the loss for anybody to have a woman be prophet. It is very depressing.

However, there r many men who believe Maryam is indeed a prophet. All the great
men of the good islamic age believed so, like Aben Arabi, Ibn Ruschd, etc.

But modern biggots know better.

Do something, go to Corpus.Qur?n.com and verify for yoursef all the ocurrences of rijaal. Verify for yourself. Anybody can do that and ill spare him or herself spewing so much nonsense.

If you cannot do it because of the arabic, here is the link on rijaal

http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rjl

Then you can check all the ayas with the ones before and after to be sure about the context.

Salaam

almarh0m

Salamun Alaykum

There is no specific verse in AQ ruling out females Nabi, Rasool, Warner or bringer of good news, if there is, I am still to find it/them. If you care to read and think about 25/20, you will find that no gender was mentioned except that those who were appointed as above were/are all ordinary human being who consume food and drinks.

And We did not send before you, , any of the messengers except that they ate food and walked in the markets. And We have made some of you as trial for others - will you have patience? And ever is your Lord, Seeing.

Salamun Alaykum

Amra94