Are there Female prophetess
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Thanks, Amra, hopefully, when Maryam is acknowledged we will have etter societies.
I wonder those who deny her how do they think 'isaa ibnu Maryam might feel about their denial. Of course no loss for him nor for his mother, they both fulfilled their mission,
but just imagine how it might be.Salaam
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Centi 50 and the rest... Think of these verses of your minds still thinks Mary was a prophet... ..
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth (Sidddeqah) They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.Now look how perfectly God describes a messenger.. Jesus mother is included in this verse but not called as messenger.. And most astonishingly God says messengers before him passed away..but if Mary was a messenger then God shouldn't call messengers before HIM passed away while Mary was alive. . Instead should be called messengers before them or before him and Mary..
Precisely God called Mary a siddequn... We know by below verse... Prophets are on a different level from siddiqun.. But still prophets could be a siddequn or even salihun based on his deeds.. But siddiqun or salihun cannot become prophets unless assigned by God.. Positions of prophets cannot be equalled to what a person's deeds.. But he or she may get the rankings in Janna which prophets are given.. If still one claim then clear rejection of God's verses and stated at the end of of 575...
469 And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth (Siddiqun) the martyrs and the righteous (salihun) . And excellent are those as companions.
God bless believers -
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth (Sidddeqah) They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
Now look how perfectly God describes a messenger.. Jesus mother is included in this verse but not called as messenger.. And most astonishingly God says messengers before him passed away..but if Mary was a messenger then God shouldn't call messengers before HIM passed away while Mary was alive. . Instead should be called messengers before them or before him and Mary..
peace,
thats called height of confidence handshake
prophethood = as a title = ( according to quran ) = maryum ? ( evidence required where God adresse mayum as PROPHET maryum = ?
chapter 21 only mention names of prophet ( evidence required again) ?
who is maryum if shez not prophet? vs who is asia( firoon wife) if shez not prophet ? vs who is mother of moses if shez not prophet ?
instead of gender debate women should note why God didnt make a women prophet ?
answers are lot lets start from this one.
now a days we see women and man are giving their roles with the help of security at that times it was security issue thats y in old times it was difficult for a women to preach like men. may b one of the possible reason. even the prophets of God were afraid of pharoah and he asked assistance. think about women at that situation who easily get scared by rat running at her house hahaha. naturally women is either scared from things weaker than her or they pretend to do it ? ( experiences from personal memories)
same like man pretend to brave enough even if they are not groupbtw i dnt mind if a women or man can b prophet infront of God. but as per scholaraly rules of grammer there is no evidence of a female as a prophet in quran? thats y people use grammer for indirect evidences.
i am saying again infront of GOD ? not infront of quran.
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strange logic rotfl
we cant say something what God did not say ? yes
we cant haram something if God made it halal ? yes
we cant make somebody prophet on basis of our wishful thinking, if God did not make them prophet ? yesstraight forward logic but the deniers always wanted to fit grammer logic and everything to prove their point but again saying as per QURAN there is no female prophet.
herez a new challange denier vs denier ?
denier X( accuse those who deny maryum as a prophet)
denier Y( dnt think maryum in the list of prophet as therez no mention of her prophethood in scripture)denier X got no evidence as per rules of text
denier Y got plantey of evidences as per rules of text.God bless us all group
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If it supprts Maryam as messenger then it is not good, it it can be used by making it apply where it is not applicable as an alibi to say the opposite, then it is good.
We deny, you are. Sura 21 is not good enough for you nor is anything of what is in the Qur'an about Maryam and you speak about logic and what is thre and what is not?
Yes deniers, exctly that deniers who prohibit God to send Maryam to the world, le alone other women.
You disguise it as you please you are rejecting Maryam. Do not address us person in a forum address yourself to God and tell Him I deny Maryam. I do nto care about the blabber repeated ad nauseam that you use as an alibi not to accept what God outs in the Qur'an. You explain to Him.
Salaam
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this question is so silly, gender has nothing to do with what comes from God.
gender identities, and all imaginary pride filled group identities will die when the body dies and the only identity left is that one thing that truly unites us all. Everything else is a distraction and a potential source of division and a trial.
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5116 Sahih International And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen..
Take evidences from above verse 5116...God will pose a question to Maseeh Isa perhaps in the Day of ressurection.. .. "DID YOU SAY ...? God has records of everything and even without records God knows what people spoke in the past, but still will ask Isa... Why not Marryam the same question?... Isa was Prophet and messenger and he had his duties to speak to people with what is revealed and commanded to him... Coz people have claimed that Isa has said that he and his mother were deities other than God and in various other ways as well.. .. So God will ask the right person the right question.... God didn't ask Mary " Did you say to the people that take you and your son as deities other than God? " coz Mary was not assigned to deliver messages... Why God asks Isa Did you say to people unless people say so? So people have said that blasphemy and practiced and lodged the blame on Isa their Prophet innocently to do what their heart preferred to do by way of not rejecting Isa and Marryam but raising them more than that they were..... This is one of the example we can derive from QURAN that messengers will be gathered and questioned and the messengers will answer publicly denying...
5117 Sahih International I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
Isa and Mary lived same place with same people and still Isa only says to God "I said not them except what you commanded me.... " Commandments did come to Isa and not Mary... (this 5117 is one of those strongest verses that made me to believe that Isa is dead and never come back to this world... If u research you will know)
616 Sahih International And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."
As per 616 Isa claims "verily I am the messenger of Allah to you (Israel)... Confirming Thorah... Mary didn't claim neither Prophet /messenger /deity.. One of the signs of messengers was that they claim they are messengers truly... Anyone claims or accepts so, is uttering vehiment blasphemy against God.. In addition Isa talks of a glad tidings of a messenger to come after Him...
5727 Sahih International Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave HIM the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient
Verse 5727 is apt to include Mary as messenger if she was in fact... Coz God could have said " then we sent following their footsteps our messengers and followed with Mary and her son and gave THEM Injeel.. " No... Gave HIM instead... Only singular... If Mary was Messenger she would have been taught by God with Torah and Gospel and Hukm etc as God claims in another verse...6612 Sahih International And Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into through Our angel, and she believed in the WORDS of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.
Look at the above verse.... Mary was revealed a word saying about a child.. She preserved the word and believed it and that's a revelation and that's for her personal and in fact most wanted revelation from her point of view.. Coz she can't get conceived without any information to her or even without her permission.. If not revealed she will not come to know till child grow and she will start to doubt herself and she won't have any confidence in bringing up the child.. She would wander in confusion.. And people would tease her and she would feel she was wrong.. Unless God strengthened Her with message . Even after child (Isa) is born till he grows well, she would face immense trouble from the people UNLESS the child spoke ... " He said verily I am a slave of God, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet 1930"... Isn't that amazing... Child speaks and mother silent..(was mother a silent Prophet?) Further God planned Her birth and she guarded Her Chastity and public knew what her character was and unblemished and God gave her such high position in society and then the son has to become a prophet... If she was was a messenger she doesn't need to go away from her family hiding from them.. And when she returned back she doesn't need to say to speak to the child if she was a messenger she should speak and let people know the message what she received. No point of hiding... Coz she was not a messenger.. And No words from the author of Quran...
Chapter 19 allegedly captioned as Mary is mentioned many a prophets names and their stories including Isa.. Was Mary given that status in that chapter?...why only stick with chapter 21 ? Is it coz it's been captioned as Prophets? -
We see the phrase ? (1117 , 4612) ? correctly means ?book of Musa?, the phrase ? (1951) ? too means ?the book of Musa?, the phrase ? ? (1941) means ?the book of Ibrahim?, the phrase ? (1954) ? means ?the book of Ismail? and the phrase ? (1956) ? means ?the book of Idris?.
We also see the phrase ? (1916) ? that correctly means ?the book of Mariam?. So, Having books from God if Musa (pbuh), Ibrahim (pbuh), Ismail (pbuh) and Idris (pbuh) be acknowledged as prophets, then why not Mariam (pbuh) be acknowledged as prophetess even after having a book from God?!
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Where and how I am twisting God's verses brother?
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complain without details, really painful!
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Wa (and) azkur (remind) fi (in) -l Kitaabi Maryma (the Book of Mariam).
Where is the twisting? -
Complain/protest without details, really painful!
Wa (and) azkur (remind) fi (in) -l Kitaabi Maryma (the Book of Mariam). (1916)
Where is the twisting (in meaning of zikr and kithab)? -
If 'talking / meeting with angels' is a criterion of a prophet.
Then what the fuss about debating about somebody who has been long dead because there is a lady, still living among us, who claimed to regularly see and talk with angels.Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels
https//youtu.be/ssAmweLstLEShe has released few books too
-Angels in My Hair (200
-A Message of Hope from the Angels (2012)
-Love from Heaven (2014)None of which requires you to believe that those were 'authored by God'.. (ehm)
And.. She never asked anyone to testify that she is the prophetess of God either (ehm)As of now nobody has created a cult / religion of her figure or make an idol out of her books.
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Soitto...
972 "Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from ALLAH IS GREATER It is that which is the great attainment"what does this phrase means in general when it is togetger.. It may mean God is Greater or great allegedly for that matter.. But actually does this verse mean Allah is greater in the context of 972? No... Just coz Two words come together doesn't mean a complete meaning of the sentence... Construction and context of the verse is so vital..
Not necessary for you to feel painful.. It's not God who deemed you... It's only another human like you deemed you as twisting God's verses... God knows how He deems you...
Why don't you present the full sentence from the beginning and explain to the readers that this is what the verse means. Rather than just point what your mind prefers.. So 1916-36 is part of the verses of the book of Mary..thats what it should be as per you.. Right? Coz you have considered it Book Of Mary...
In the verse 1941 God speaks about Ibrahim..
1941 Arberry "And mention in the Book Abraham; surely he was a true man, a Prophet."
As per you it should mean " And remind/mention IN the Book OF Ibrahim (as a possession).. That's so away from the context of the verse and the story explained in following verses... As per you if you take it as possession then whatever explained subsequently about Ibrahim should be quotes from the book of Ibrahim... .. Same in the case of Mary...right? .. Does the verse and verses following resembles as quotes OR further explanation by the author of Quran?...lets see how the verses continues 1942 "When he said to his father, 'Father, why worshippest thou that which neither hears nor sees, nor avails thee anything?" Does this look like from the book of Ibrahim?? Or does it look like the explanation of what happened with Ibrahim to us in order for us to comprehend his life.. It's not from the book of Ibrahim.. I can't deem so.. Not just coz I can't deem but it is not giving a clue to deem so.. It's erroneous conclusion...
Same with all examples you brought...
In the verse 1916 "And mention in the Book Mary when she withdrew from her people to an eastern place"
So you want us to deduce "and remind/mention IN the book OF Mary,,,, when she withdraw.... So the continuation is quotes from the book of Mary...? No..no not at all.. 1917 " and she took a veil apart from them; then We sent unto her Our Spirit that presented himself to her a man without fault" these are not quotes directly from a book in the past into Quran but they are elaboration freshly by the author of Quran which are given as REMINDING IN THE BOOK (QURAN)...Okay take this example and compare the verses you claim to be possession and Book of Mary... Book of Ibrahim etc..
Example.. Let's hope the title of the song is Enmity.. So the singer says to the creator of song to keep some lines about love also in the song.. This is how he said "Mention/remind in the song Love when they had good times... " Now will the title become as Song OF Love.. No.. Or can we hypothetically guess it is talking about Song of Love from song called song of love... No.. It is song titled "Enmity" In which love is explained..
Yes it is Book called Quran in which Mary Ibrahim Moses etc is explained and it is not the book of them, but QURAN...
Okay one more example.. Some one says " remind /mention in the book Ronaldino.. Will it become book of Ronaldino... It's just reminding in someone's book(lets hope title football history) about Ronaldino as well..
God bless you to guidance...