Muhammad not mentioned in the Koran...
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Greetings Damon,
Thanks for your reply?
Okay ApplePie,
I've went along with your diversionary tactics long enough.
Trying to maintain the theme of this thread is now a ?diversionary tactic??.?
I answered your question for you.
You have??
If you do not accept my answer to be the truth, that's fine and well with me. I gave you a reply whether you accept it or not.
Again?where is your reply to the theme of this thread??
Now please do the courteous and brave thing and answer my one question that I asked if you would be kind enough to answer. As far as all the other questions you just asked in your latest post, I would be more than happy to answer each and every one of them. However, I ask that you answer my question, because it was asked of you before you asked yours.
You asked me a question before I even started this thread?.?
Now, that is amazing?
One last thing....
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If it?s so easy, then why have you not already addressed the theme of this thread??Because it was already answered for you by others in this thread. What would be the point in repeating the same answer you were already given? You will find the name and title Muhammad mentioned in four seperate chapters of the quran. You were already told this.
Please give us the classic definition for your ?prophet??
Now Mr. ApplePie, I'll be waiting for your response to my question regarding everyman being sinners.
And?I?ll be waiting for you to start that dedicated thread of insecurities of yours?
Take care?
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Can anyone tell me why Islams prophet is not mentioned in their book of faith..?
In the same token, can you tell me why there isn't a Gospel according to Jesus?
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Peace Apple Pie
Could you also provide a single solitary Koranic ayah which states that the written word of God (i.e. the holy Bible) to be in error in any way, shape, or fashion??
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And God will Say "O Jesus son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods instead of God?" He said "Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my soul while I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the unseen. -
Could you also provide a single solitary Koranic ayah which states that the written word of God (i.e. the holy Bible) to be in error in any way, shape, or fashion??
930 The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of God," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of God!" These are blashpemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. God condemns them. They have surely deviated.
931 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords instead of God. Other deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
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Salaam,
Could you also provide a single solitary Koranic ayah which states that the written word of God (i.e. the holy Bible) to be in error in any way, shape, or fashion?
Do you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the WORD of GOD, then DISTORT IT, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?
And when they meet the believers, they say, "We believe," but when they get together with each other, they say, "Do not inform (the believers) of the information given to you by GOD, lest you provide them with support for their argument concerning your Lord. Do you understand?"
Do they not know that GOD knows everything they conceal, and everything they declare?
Among them are gentiles who do not know the ecripture, except through hearsay, then assume that they know it.
Therefore, woe to those who distort the scripture with THEIR OWN HANDS, then say "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for such distortion, and woe to them for their illicit gains.
Among them are those who TWIST their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from scripture, when it is NOT from the scripture, and they claim it is from GOD, when it is NOT from GOD. Thus, they utter LIES and attribute them to GOD, knowingly.
Those who conceal GOD's revelations in scripture, in exchange for a cheap material gain, eat but fire into their bellies. GOD will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them. They have incurred a painful retribution.
It is painfully obvious that our Christian friend judges something that he hasn't read himself. The condemnation of this earlier practice is all throughout the quran.
Peace,
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Greetings Tony,
Thanks for your reply?
Apple Pie wrote
Could you also provide a single solitary Koranic ayah which states that the written word of God (i.e. the holy Bible) to be in error in any way, shape, or fashion??
930 The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of God," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of God!" These are blashpemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. God condemns them. They have surely deviated.
931 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords instead of God. Other deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
While these two ayahs have absolutely nothing to do with ?invalidating? the written word of God (the Holy Bible), they do uncover a truth that all Muslims need to look at more closely?
Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahi waqalati alnnasara almaseehu ibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oona qawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahu anna yu/fakoona
9.30 And the Jews said "Ezra (is) Allah's son", and the Christians, said "The Messiah (is) Allah's son." That (is) their saying/word/opinion and belief with their mouths, they equal/resemble (the) saying/word/opinion and belief (of) those who disbelieved from before, Allah fought/killed them, how (do) they be lied to/be turned away?
Ittakhathoo ahbarahum waruhbanahum arbaban min dooni Allahi waalmaseeha ibna maryama wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo ilahan wahidan la ilaha illa huwa subhanahu AAamma yushrikoona
9.31 They took their religious scholars and their monks (as) lords from other than Allah and the Messiah, Mary's Son, and they were not ordered/commanded except to worship one Allah, no Allah except He, His praise/glory from what they share/make partners.
Summary
- AND ?wa? And the Jews said "Ezra (is) Allah's son",
- AND ?wa? the Christians, said "The Messiah (is) Allah's son."
- That (is) their saying/word/opinion
- AND ?wa? belief with their mouths, they equal/resemble (the) saying/word/opinion
- AND ?wa? belief (of) those who disbelieved from before, Allah fought/killed them, how (do) they be lied to/be turned away? They took their religious scholars
- AND ?wa? their monks (as) lords from other than Allah
- AND ?wa? the Messiah, Mary's Son,
8 ) AND ?wa? they were not ordered/commanded except to worship one Allah, no Allah except He, His praise/glory from what they share/make partners.
It is clear from these ayahs that Jesus is considered to be deity, as all who take ?religious scholars and monks as lords from other than allah AND the Messiah (Jesus)?, are considered to be the disbelievers.
The authors of the Koran are putting Jesus on the same level as the allah of the Koran.
Jesus is God.
Greetings Damon,
Thanks for your reply?
Salaam,
Apple Pie wrote
Could you also provide a single solitary Koranic ayah which states that the written word of God (i.e. the holy Bible) to be in error in any way, shape, or fashion??Do you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the WORD of GOD, then DISTORT IT, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
And when they meet the believers, they say, "We believe," but when they get together with each other, they say, "Do not inform (the believers) of the information given to you by GOD, lest you provide them with support for their argument concerning your Lord. Do you understand?"
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Do they not know that GOD knows everything they conceal, and everything they declare?
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Among them are gentiles who do not know the ecripture, except through hearsay, then assume that they know it.
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Therefore, woe to those who distort the scripture with THEIR OWN HANDS, then say "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for such distortion, and woe to them for their illicit gains.
Again?please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Among them are those who TWIST their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from scripture, when it is NOT from the scripture, and they claim it is from GOD, when it is NOT from GOD. Thus, they utter LIES and attribute them to GOD, knowingly.
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Those who conceal GOD's revelations in scripture, in exchange for a cheap material gain, eat but fire into their bellies. GOD will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them. They have incurred a painful retribution.
Please be so kind as to show us the Arabic word or words that you want to force-fit to mean ?distorted WRITTEN words of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? ?
Care to try again?.?
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Greetings ApplePie,
Care to try again.?
No need to....the evidence is clear for you to see and your inquiry has been answered for you.
You're pretending to establish a line between written and oral when the very clear fact remains that it says earlier scripture was distorted...period!! You're trying to establish a case that earlier scripture was only orally distorted ??? I can see right through tactic. The only way to truly distort something is to make said changes to the document itself. You cannot "orally" distort something.
If you wrote an autobiography, I can't distort it by telling others false information about it. I can only distort if I am able to distort the book itself. That's the only way my plans for distortion and spreading of false info can take effect. I cannot orally distort it if the book itself is available in it's original publication.
Believe it or not, I know exactly what I'm dealing with when it comes to you and your tactics here. I've been down this road plenty of times with others who practice the same tactics.
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Forgive me bro Damon cry
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Hi all,
Rolling on the floor, laughing lol
Guys, let's cut this thread, it's all over
Apperantly, for many centuries of Dark Ages Christian scolars have done a great work to develope a sophisticated sholasticism techniques. Surely they will "prove" you that black is actually white pretending to be black, Jesus is God, Trinity is not a foolish innovation of clergy, mickey mouse was one of us, etc
This kind of "arguments" is nothing but waste of time, effort and nerve cells. There is no point. "Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not revert" (21
They believe that bible is a word of god - actually it is. It's a word of their own god. They invented their god while recompiling re-editing the actual Word of God.
Let it be, guys "They are harming their own "Selves" (c) QuranAnd by the way, if a Scripture, being the Word of God contains a Law and basic order of interaction and relationship between ALL people, nations etc. logically it must be availabe to everybody. How it comes that Gospels of Mark contain a "secret" part (which was discovered in letters of saint Clement of Alexandria (3rd century) that can be only available to the elites?
Is it elitarian religion? So let the so-called "elite" go by it's own way -
Greetings Damon,
Thanks for your reply?
Greetings ApplePie,
You wrote
Care to try again?.?No need to....the evidence is clear for you to see and your inquiry has been answered for you.
Actually, none of the ayahs that you posited declares the written word of God to be in error, in any way, shape, or form.
That is why I posed to you to show me the Arabic word(s) that support your position.
It is clear that you don?t understand the written classic Arabic like you claimed.
You're pretending to establish a line between written and oral when the very clear fact remains that it says earlier scripture was distorted...period!! You're trying to establish a case that earlier scripture was only orally distorted ??? I can see right through tactic. The only way to truly distort something is to make said changes to the document itself. You cannot "orally" distort something.
Again?come forth with the Arabic that supports your position.
Unless you don?t understand Arabic, that is?
If you wrote an autobiography, I can't distort it by telling others false information about it. I can only distort if I am able to distort the book itself. That's the only way my plans for distortion and spreading of false info can take effect. I cannot orally distort it if the book itself is available in it's original publication.
Believe it or not, I know exactly what I'm dealing with when it comes to you and your tactics here. I've been down this road plenty of times with others who practice the same tactics.
I doubt this, as you cannot even address the theme of this thread?.you simply jump from topic to topic.
Take care?
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Peace people,
Peace Damon,
Just an OOT comment
You begin to sound (write) like Apple Pie!!!
shock shock shock
Would you mind telling me what you mean by this statement?? ? ?
Dear Daniyar,
Everything you have said in your post is true. I never had any intention of changing Apple Pie's views because, as you have pointed out, his mind is made up. I only posted just to see how far he would go to defend his position even after his position has been exposed in the open. I also wanted to examine for myself which tactics he would make use of. Trust me guys, he's no different than the others of his ilke....they're all the same.
Peace,
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Peace Apple Pie
Jesus is God.
Y.Ali
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And behold! Allah will say 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?' He will say 'Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.Y.Ali
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O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity' desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. -
Greetings tux,
Thanks for your reply?
Peace Apple Pie
Apple Pie wroteJesus is God.
Yes?Jesus is God?as stated scores of times in the Koran?.
Y.Ali
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And behold! Allah will say 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?' He will say 'Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.Let me extend the same offer to you as I did to Damon.
Please show us the Arabic words that are troubling to you?
Y.Ali
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O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity' desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.Again?please show us the Arabic words that are troubling to you?
Thanks?
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Greetings tux,
I appreciate your honesty.
I would like to ask then how is it that you can put your full faith into Yusuf Ali??
Think about it?
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Greetings tux,
Thanks for your reply?
I read different translations of the Koran.
Let me guess?you study English translations?but never the mother tongue in which your book of faith was written?
Am I correct??
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Salaamun Alaikum,
Brothers and sisters in Islam,Dear brother pie of an Apple, wink
I got a question for you.
What is Bible? I heard from a Christain friend of mine saying that Bible is a recording of Jesus sayings and doings. Is that correct?
It is recorded by the followers of Jesus after him.
It can be true because... AlQuraan is still called AlQuraan and Taurah is still called Taurah. Then how come Injeel is called Bible?
I think that Injeel is something else and Bible is the Hadiths for Prophet Jesus.
Can you put some light on this?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Regards,
Mohammed Mahtab Khan