Are there Female prophetess
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sometimes i wonder why only a women can give birth to the male and female ?
males as well as females should give birth ( sister huruf do you agree with me ) ?
i also agree with you that males and females share each and everything then we can see equality in system?
actually sister huruf you should blame the author of bible and quran and all other religious texts instead of innocent males of this forum who dnt have any authority to claim what author did not claim ?
you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please..
but again my sympathies will not make her prophet as title ( becoz i dnt have any evidence from that source text).
wonder why author make such a HUGE mistake by not mentioning her name as PROPHET maryum when he already knew there is not a single quran follower(sunni,shia,quranist) will believe in her as prophet ? it must be in clear words when the matter is related with disputed things.. what do you think about that author who is causing trouble between sexes ?
another thing.. related with first question will make it more clear..
when having a kid in belly for almost 9 months women must think in such a way why God decided that women will suffer from that load. man just unload a drop of water and women shares more load more risks of that enjoyment.. and our so called system placed label in the name of father example when get admission in school the name of father conected with kid..very unfair .. mother maiden name only comes in passwords and memorable information.. when truth is this she is the one who suffer more in birth..
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Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels
https//youtu.be/ssAmweLstLEjaffar very interesting video and on top of that she never said only "christanity" is salvation and the only correct path..
people like her you can see in every nation, who according to me are the addressed muslimeen of book Quran..
in their own offical version of holy books when you compare these
christians of bible
hindus of veda
musilmeen of quranvs
criminals of bible veda and quran... surprisingly we see in all major religions all peacekeeprs and criminals share same values .. and they are not different just labelling is different..
example
killer, rapist, robber, toublemaker, (criminals in all religions)
charitable, kind, protectors of weak,good doers ( peacekeepers in all religions )these musilmeen(peace keepers) must exist in every nation so do they exist.. its very easy to understand but still racism we cant finish ..
everybody just think we are correct , becoz we belong to this .. in reality its not that hard to crack.. just a big heart is require to accept the truth of life..
brother jaffar PM me your whatsapp if u can plz need to ask some things i m suffering from and struggling applying in my life .. cant share some things here..
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Quotes of Imrankawaja to Huruf "you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please.. "
No i don't think it is a dangerous approach.. Everyone has freedom to think and decide their own in the end.. No one will be in danger by some people saying this and that... She may be right and she may be wrong... in the end Quran is Right and there is no wrongs in it... If it is a dangerous approach it is wrong, who will get diverted to what she says only who are misguided by satan.. Can anyone make any one go in straight path.. No only God can... So let the freedom of Speech remain.. in my opinion her statement is not dangerous though i am not in support of her statement saying that Mary was a prophet.. People can decide whether Mary was a prophet or not with quran.. afterall what they decided is their guidance or misfortune..But one thing i dont like and agree with her in which she presume that believing women are in support of Mary being a Prophet.. Coz She talks of women in common... I don't think all believing women would agree to Mary as a prophet.. Gender is not the criteria of belief but pure intention and the quest for the truth..
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sometimes i wonder why only a women can give birth to the male and female ?
males as well as females should give birth ( sister huruf do you agree with me ) ?
i also agree with you that males and females share each and everything then we can see equality in system?
actually sister huruf you should blame the author of bible and quran and all other religious texts instead of innocent males of this forum who dnt have any authority to claim what author did not claim ?
you are putting all of them in a dangerous approach be careful about it please..
but again my sympathies will not make her prophet as title ( becoz i dnt have any evidence from that source text).
wonder why author make such a HUGE mistake by not mentioning her name as PROPHET maryum when he already knew there is not a single quran follower(sunni,shia,quranist) will believe in her as prophet ? it must be in clear words when the matter is related with disputed things.. what do you think about that author who is causing trouble between sexes ?
another thing.. related with first question will make it more clear..
when having a kid in belly for almost 9 months women must think in such a way why God decided that women will suffer from that load. man just unload a drop of water and women shares more load more risks of that enjoyment.. and our so called system placed label in the name of father example when get admission in school the name of father conected with kid..very unfair .. mother maiden name only comes in passwords and memorable information.. when truth is this she is the one who suffer more in birth..
You seem to be deliberately ignoring all that has been said in this thread and others and insist on answering with the same popular crap as if you were enlightening somebody.
I am not going to pander to laziness nor to heart and mind diseases. When people get tired of their own diseases they will do something about it or not. That is their problem. I have answered all those questions that deserved and answer and I am not going to continue like a donkey around and around.
If God sends menssengers and prophets, of whatever kind and sex and they reject them, it is their own loss, nobody else's. If they want to remember what God says about those who reject messengers and prophets, that is their business. Nobody else will benefit or loose.
Funny, funny, funny, that somebody should ask if one agrees that males do not have babies and females do.
?How clever and witty! bravo bravo bravo bravo bravoBut it is nonetheless diagnostic. ?Is it because males cannot have babies while women can that the worst amongst them(males) take revenge on women forbidding them anything else that is not useful to them? Many a psychologist, of any sex, would agree. Meanness is a trait that does away with manliness.
So Maryam, she did have a baby. It is only the baby and just the baby that is of any significance. She is a mere instrument, to be used and forgotten. That is what Maryam is for them. And they foam that anybody should think that she be anything else. Forget the ayyas God tells us about and forget anything spiritual or anything about her beeing chosen by God over the worlds. She is to be done away with, full stop.
Whose loss is it if somebody does not want Maryam as a prophet? Not God's, not Maryam's, not those who consider her as such and envoy of the Most Merciful.
Those who have a disease in their hearts and minds will not benefit from so many things in the worlds...
What does being witty(or to think that one is witty) do for anybody?
Humility and obedience to God (and not using God as an isntrument to uphold the boys' club) and thankfulness to God for the way He has created us, is what will help us to be happy, satisfied, hopeful and self-respecting and respectful of others, not belonging to the boys club where prophethood seems to be just a token of power or superiority, no matter how much crap is said about logic or nature or whatever. Nobody in his right mind uses so much energy to deny what they deny if it did not touch in them a very sore spot.
Yes, revenge on women for being those who give new life is very old, very, very old, and it has resulted in them being deprived of everything that cannot be used for the advantage of the rogue males. But that is not what prophets have taught nor gave example for, yes, those male prophets the antiMaryam crowd say they believe in, but whose example they will not follow if it kills them. They speak a lot about exclusively male prophethood, but won't follow the example of prophets, no way be humble, serve others, fight peacefully or not peacefully in extremely difficult situations... no just talk and benefit of all the power the world has to offer to males. Exactly what the male prophets did not do.
'Isaa, dear kind 'isaa, did he think her mother as nothing, just bore him and that is it, prophet was his, beause he was a male, and his mother just a tool at his service?
Those who deny Maryam it is their loss not anybody else's loss.
And those questions they ask expecting you to submit to their mean minds and hearts they should not ask them from us, those of us, males and females, who thank God for Maryam and her prophethood, they should ask them from God. He knows well. They do believe in God, right?. So ask God to enlighten you about that, if the request is sincere, It is sure God will give His answer. He always does.
Don't play with us seudointellectual games. It is useless. Go to the One who knows and can.
We, poor males and females that simply acknowledge the enormous favor of God sending Maryam to us, cannot satisfy
you.Salaam
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
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Such Quranic figures are not meant to be understood as people who existed long ago and ye are somehow supposed to speak for/against them without illumination! Thats the exoteric bs of "hadithers"! To understand the esoteric part of the Quran (mutachabihat) one needs to stop looking at it with materialistic eyes projecting ones shadow of preconceived notions.
The surface of things is not where attention should rest.
The kingdom of G.D is within you, and so is "jesus" and "mary" if one only drops the ego mask, in favor of the voice within, to realize G.D.
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Another trend of God's chosen messengers is that they have families, each of the messenger have a life partner and at least a child <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1338">1338</a>
So if Maryam is married or had a future plan to marry and was chosen as a messenger she wouldn't have argued 'when no man has touched me...' about the prophecy for the conception of Isa ibn Maryam in these verses <a href="http//tanzil.net/#347">347</a> and <a href="http//tanzil.net/#1920">1920</a>
?Argue?
Asking a proper and very uch to the point question is now called aruing if it is a woman who does it?
We do not need any hadithers to trash women. Qur'an aloners do it perfectly.
Salaam
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jaffar very interesting video and on top of that she never said only "christanity" is salvation and the only correct path..
Infact she said religion / tradition doesn't matter.... it's the heart that matter..
She has also prayed in the mosques with other muslims... (minutes 23 on the video)
She has did such quite few times actually.. including in Shiite's mosques...I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not...Only occultist and sectarian paid much attention whether someone (who has been long dead) is a prophet / prophetess or not... and paid no attention to things which are actually important.
people like her you can see in every nation, who according to me are the addressed muslimeen of book Quran..
in their own offical version of holy books when you compare these
christians of bible
hindus of veda
musilmeen of quranvs
criminals of bible veda and quran... surprisingly we see in all major religions all peacekeeprs and criminals share same values .. and they are not different just labelling is different..
example
killer, rapist, robber, toublemaker, (criminals in all religions)
charitable, kind, protectors of weak,good doers ( peacekeepers in all religions )Good souls are just good souls
Rotten souls are just rotten souls
They can be found anywhere...everybody just think we are correct , becoz we belong to this .. in reality its not that hard to crack.. just a big heart is require to accept the truth of life..
It's a common characteristic of fanatics, with a big ego and couldn't escape their "Us vs Them" mentality.
brother jaffar PM me your whatsapp if u can plz need to ask some things i m suffering from and struggling applying in my life .. cant share some things here..
Feel free to send me your PM anytime..
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Jafar
Statement you made "I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not"This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
How can you say I don't care she is a prophet or not.. Only thing you should have said in my opinion "She is not a Prophet or she can't be a prophet as per QURAN " .. Do you agree Jafar? You can't be ambiguous.. It sounds like she may be a prophet and one option on the other hand she may not.. but only thing you don't care about both... You don't say directly both are wrong but just say you don't care... It gives option both being prophet and not is within the possibility. How can one say I don't care about a prophet?
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This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
its a logical fallacy becoz you are using quran as evidence same like christian will use bible as evidence hindu will use veda as evidence..
having faith in something is different than experimental data of facts that generate proper "evidence"
the statement only works for those who have faith in quran.
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You seem to be deliberately ignoring all that has been said in this thread and others and insist on answering with the same popular crap as if you were enlightening somebody.
what i wanted to tell you everybody has their roles and duties so as per the book what you are reffering there is not any direct or indirect evidence of what you claim about mary.. if you have any evidence provide one plz.
and good thing you know that man cant give a birth becoz that role is decided by creator that women will gona give birth. and i am fully submitted with this decision of creator.. so do you.. yay
hope you got my point ..
and if maryum is prophet and you get one verse about her prophethood then me and any male dnt have any objection accepting that..
i dnt need your views in long posts just you can share 3 strong verses in your case .. (just verses please)...
and then check this verse as per RULES what being used by very quran alone followers to make their claim about the death of jesus.. muscle if you follow that rule from text then why you are ignoring it when God already make it CLEAR..
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a Messenger, like other Messengers before him who passed on. And his mother was a woman of truth. Both of them were human beings who had to eat food (like all other mortals). See how clearly We explain Our verses for them, and note how they still deviate!
in this verse points to ponder..
all messengers before him passed away (if maryum was exception where it is mention)
second point ( maryum was woman of truth ) not prophet ==> as per QURAN rules from which you filter information..where you will go now ?
BTW most of the times i agree what you said about other topics regarding women.. dnt get me wrong please.
salam and God bless you.
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Such Quranic figures are not meant to be understood as people who existed long ago and ye are somehow supposed to speak for/against them without illumination! Thats the exoteric bs of "hadithers"! To understand the esoteric part of the Quran (mutachabihat) one needs to stop looking at it with materialistic eyes projecting ones shadow of preconceived notions.
The surface of things is not where attention should rest.
The kingdom of G.D is within you, and so is "jesus" and "mary" if one only drops the ego mask, in favor of the voice within, to realize G.D.
yeah we dispute unnecessarily sometimes.
its a logical fallacy becoz you are using quran as evidence same like christian will use bible as evidence hindu will use veda as evidence..
having faith in something is different than experimental data of facts that generate proper "evidence"
the statement only works for those who have faith in quran.
Peace good brother, you may be right, can you name a prophet since Muhammad?
peace
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Peace good brother, you may be right, can you name a prophet since Muhammad?
peace
peace brother,
i was talking bout logical fallacy , (seal of prophet) was not my topic.but lovely brother i ll give you answer what u asked from the lens of people who are not quran beleivers.
when they revisit the history, after islam and christanity who build their empires with the help of political movements we come to know there are lot of other figures like baba guru nanak of sikhs .. who also worked the same way how islam and christanity works and their followers are increasing day by day ,, in next 1000 years guru nanak followes will be more than the present amount of muslims and christians...
so for me first i need to see what author of Quran mean by prophethood...
even the word prophet for nabi is very poor translation...
if you asking about any NABI after muhammad then my answer is no?
the news giver of that book Quran ended with his life approx 1400 years ago so we can only find the 1400 yrs old data and you are asking the events afterwards,, its also illogical..but one simple answer the LAST nabi of QURAN was MUHAMMAD ? this news is 1400 yrs old..
now i understand why jews never accpet jesus, and why christian didnt accpet muhammad , and why muslims didnt accpet baba guru nanak as prophet.. but sikh does..
if prophethood is the fan following.. then michal jackson is the one who is praised by every single nation , almost 99% of population from 1980 till now know him and his messages in songs.. they love it they worshipped him and they fell unconscious upon seeing him... (evidence is available in video clips) even he died 10 years ago his songs are still saved in time space same like message of the author of quran is saved in time space... after 1400 years u can still able to see michal jackson in news that he was the king of pop.. who knows how many bigger kings than jackson take place in that period but the title always diredct towards jackson thats how God save his creation who is worthy to get saved by God..
ages ago we know a nabi named as david also got musical skills .. and given title king as well.. he was blessed by God same like micky was blessed by God...
when someone is blessed by God there is nothing that can stop him to show what God blessed him...
blessing of God
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Jafar
Statement you made "I really don't care if she is a prophetess or not..
Infact she also doesn't care whether she's (regarded as) a prophetess or not"This is a very reckless statement knowing that God has sealed prophets with Mohamed..
It's a statement based on fact, I don't care and she also don't care.
And so does any person who has been long dead (such as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, David).. they don't care..How can you say I don't care she is a prophet or not.. How can one say I don't care about a prophet?
As I said, it's because
Only occultist and sectarian paid much attention whether someone is a prophet / prophetess or not... and paid no attention to things which are actually important.
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what i wanted to tell you everybody has their roles and duties so as per the book what you are reffering there is not any direct or indirect evidence of what you claim about mary.. if you have any evidence provide one plz.
and good thing you know that man cant give a birth becoz that role is decided by creator that women will gona give birth. and i am fully submitted with this decision of creator.. so do you.. yay
hope you got my point ..
and if maryum is prophet and you get one verse about her prophethood then me and any male dnt have any objection accepting that..
i dnt need your views in long posts just you can share 3 strong verses in your case .. (just verses please)...
and then check this verse as per RULES what being used by very quran alone followers to make their claim about the death of jesus.. muscle if you follow that rule from text then why you are ignoring it when God already make it CLEAR..
575 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a Messenger, like other Messengers before him who passed on. And his mother was a woman of truth. Both of them were human beings who had to eat food (like all other mortals). See how clearly We explain Our verses for them, and note how they still deviate!
in this verse points to ponder..
all messengers before him passed away (if maryum was exception where it is mention)
second point ( maryum was woman of truth ) not prophet ==> as per QURAN rules from which you filter information..where you will go now ?
BTW most of the times i agree what you said about other topics regarding women.. dnt get me wrong please.
salam and God bless you.
The silliness of what you write does not say anything about Maryam but says a lot about you, so Maryam is a woman of truth, and his son is a prophet, so Maryam according to this is not a prophet and her son accotding to this is not a man of truth. You are calling 'isaa ibnu maryam a lier and a cheater?
You are fonder of male priilege than of God's favours on human kind. You do not show any imaan in this but pretended technicalities to avoid acknowledging a person chosen by God over the worlds, and over the women of the worlds.
You may outlqast me in insisting on nonsense about giving birth and so on as if anybody here needed YOUR LESSONS, but the fact is tht you do not have a blooming idea of who Maryam is or of her mission, and much worst than that, you do not want to learn it nor want it learnt by anybody.
You will get your rewards and everybody will get his or her rewards, particularly for that nice one whereby you call 'Isaa ibnu Maryam a lier.
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The silliness of what you write does not say anything about Maryam but says a lot about you
my sister do u have a habit of doing personal attacks with arrogance?
or its only males you like to show your arrogance i dnt know what wrong males did with you in life anyway... its your choice of treating males like shit but dnt worry carry on... you are elder then me i ll not do any personal attacks ...that what i learn from in the field of values and ettiquites... hope you ll also find some manners in ur own version of quran.NOTE instead of saying YOU , just correct ur words and say AUTHOR of quran.. becoz 575 is not my property or my claimings.. POINT TO PONDER
You are calling 'isaa ibnu maryam a lier and a cheater?
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its a perfect example of cause and effect..
now all forum members are perfectly observing that a old women get answerless as per scholarly rules of text .. now she is accusing me of what i never said... becoz what i ask from her she is unable to solve it and suddenly her mind start taking action which are toatally reckless ..
thats why i said in my last post where you GO now after putting 575 in ur mind ?
LIER (proven one) who you or me ?
either you have to prove me that i said jesus a liar
otherwise prepare urself for hundred lashes rotfl rotfl rotfl rotflor provide four witness from forum that i say jesus a "liar"
tbh all forum members not only she say me liar she say the author of quran liar as well ( indirectly ) becoz its not me who claims i just share the verses.. she got a problem with that..
you lost case ..
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Kawaja & Huruf...
I wish in this forum people talk within the quran when the subject is within the quran... People dont converge here to see personal messages attacking each other.. and it has no value... for that there are many mode of social medias..you can enjoy....I dont blame both of you... but i see both of you well versed in quran and your knowledge can be shared among those who are still at grass root level... such exchanges wont help anyone... pls dont in reply attack me both of you.. i meant for the good of all.. Argue at the level of it's pinnacle but dont attack personally.. it looks so ugly... seriously i mean.. it tempts think how your personal characters..May God guide us and give us patience May God save us from Ego and arrogance...
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I have found some substantial research works on Mariam (pbuh) in the following link
https//quranguideblog.wordpress.com//?s=Mariam&search=Go
Please read carefully the points raised therein and take honestly your stands on Mariam (pbuh) as well as Jesus based on words of Quran.
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Kawaja & Huruf...
I wish in this forum people talk within the quran when the subject is within the quran... People dont converge here to see personal messages attacking each other.. and it has no value... for that there are many mode of social medias..you can enjoy....I dont blame both of you... but i see both of you well versed in quran and your knowledge can be shared among those who are still at grass root level... such exchanges wont help anyone... pls dont in reply attack me both of you.. i meant for the good of all.. Argue at the level of it's pinnacle but dont attack personally.. it looks so ugly... seriously i mean.. it tempts think how your personal characters..May God guide us and give us patience May God save us from Ego and arrogance...
I wish you both stop this and keep bringing quran verses to support your claims... all will love it...bro advice taken and i always try to be funny and chill but sister huruf have a long term problem of hating MALE and not only me every sensible male can feel it .. otherwise it was totally on merit untill she used this YOU
i had a history with her 2 years ago same thing happen i was thinking she will gona read some of manners verses or article of islamic etiquette in free minds website ... but my fault she is still same.. male hater
may God placed love in her for poor males hahahahaha
BOLD part
thats what i was doing and i also request her to share 3 strong verses in her case ... but u can see with ur eyes whats just happened ...