Where is Paradise.
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Novice salam,
If tasting the tree or my example are HILARIOUS for you, then you know better about the verse..And you have to consider all those quran translators (arabs and non arabs) should be hilarious, and remember they also most probably would have translated the verse using so called classic dictionaries or on their own knowledge.. no more comment on that part..
1770 We have honoured the Children of Adam and carried them on land and sea, and provided them with good things, and preferred them greatly over many of those We created.
531 And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice , and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said , "I will surely kill you." Said , "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous .
727 Children of Adam! Let not Satan tempt you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts. Surely he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not. We have made the Satans the friends of those who do not believe.Look at the above two verses.. 1770 talks about ?The Children of Adam? while 527 talks about ?The Two Sons of Adam?. Now Is Adam a Person (Male) or Adam A Community (Males) or (Males & Females) as per 1770?.. And in 527 ?The Two Sons of Adam?? Are these two Sons of Adam is of one Community (male or males&females) or of a single person called Adam (male)?
Look at verse 727.. it says ?O Children of Adam ? don?t let satan tempt you as he brought your PARENTS (dual).. Suppose Adam was a community (males or males& females) so we are Children of those community, if so Why God should make that community in the same verse as PARENTS in dual form? This parents should never be a dual form indicating to two persons (father and mother- are father and mother parents in any language) will they not be dual? Yes..But if Adam was a community the word PARENTS should be in PLURAL and not dual but in plural more than two?I love arabic language for sure?
Lets turn to your plural form of Adam?
710 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you grateful.
711 And We have certainly created you, , and given you form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
The above two verses explains about the entire human and Adam..Now your claim is that in 711 it is referred to Adam as plural (YOU) .. The YOU is not for Adam in the verse. . It is so clear from the verse before it.. 710? It says We have Certainly Established YOU ? and made for YOU livelihood?? Now the question is God created Adam before ESTABILISHING & PROVIDING LIVELIHOOD to (YOU) ? Or after? It is after.. Then why the particular verse comes before the creation of Adam..as stated 711 ? we have certainly CREATED YOU (PLURAL)? it talks of the entire human being.. not Adam..key here is ?Thzumma? translated as (Then).. This Thzumma in entire quran will not give a meaning as Then or After that etc etc.. If you take all Thzumma words in quran you will notice it.. It may come in between a verse or just after a verse and at the beginning of next verse.. by that we cannot deem that the next verse is talking about the previous verse by using Thzumma..Once you research you will find it clearly..As per my understanding of you Novice.. you have taken Adam as a community but of Males? Right? You can?t say Adam are male and female Community. coz God calls in quran 235 separately saying Adam dwell You and Your wife? so the wife cannot be included as ADAM.. agree or not?
So you have taken Adam as Single Community with full of Males and not a single person and God created for these Adam (single Community of males) their wives.. So Single Community includes only Males. So when God refers as Children of Adam, will the children(men & women) of Adam be from mere Males Community? Coz you can?t conclude as per quran Adam as Males & Females community.. Answer me pls..
So your assumption is that God didn?t create a single man and single women and reproduce but many Men and many women then reproduce.. Right?. If ONE COMMUNITY (males) = ADAM then who are those women those one community married with? So Males are one community.. What are Females ?
3660?Did I not ordain for you, O Children of Adam, that you should not worship Shaitan (Satan). Verily, he is a plain enemy to you.?
The wives of those One Community (Adam) are not the children of Adam..cannot be? Yeah or can be as per you? I don?t see allah addressing those wives of One Community in the verse 3660 but this verse extreme common to all human being who are in hell.. isn?t it?
So God never created a single person first but many males?
3875(Allah) said "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?"
What the above verse says.. I hardly see such a verse in quran.. saying that God creates by HIS both hands..but for adam he said? but we say like Qun fa yakoon (be and it is)..So You want to say that Allah created many number of men by His both hands? I don?t see God says same to the wives of those one community created by His both hands..
41 ?O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one SOUL and created from IT IT?S MATE and dispersed from BOTH of THEM many Men and Women?.... ?. ?.
So you want to say God Created Many Males (Adam) first and Then Many Females.. Does the above verse suit for that? Coz Your One Community is Adam and Females.. I hope you speak Arabic.. Does the word Nafs Wahid, Sza?jaha, Minhuma etc in this verse suit for many Males and Many women.. Explain this verse to me pls since you are serious about Adam being Community. God says from BOTH OF THEM (dual) dispersed Many Men and women.. I don?t see any Rib here.. those are stories.. God knows how he made the mate of Adam.. that?s mystery? I can see only from one couple the generation spread by this verse.. coz God called spread Rijal and nisa and not nafs either..
20115 ?And We made covenant with Adam before, but he forgot, and We found in him no constancy.?
According to you God says to One Community (Adam-Males & Female) they didn?t have constancy.. but all singular words? No where in the whole quran God says one community is Adam.. it?s only your conjecture and conjecture is not equal to truth.. Even if you want to claim so you don?t have substantial evidence from Quran to put to argument and convince others..Guidance from the day one is not same, if so no need of different books and different prophets.. Guidance kept on developing according to situation and the number communities.. Guidance adam got was not Noah got or ibrahim or Moses or isa or any other .. but one thing is same Submit to One God and not to associate anything with God.. but guidance have vast spectrum..
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You are in paradise, its your birthright.. but still you have lost it because you cannot enjoy the present moment here and now (as you used to do long ago, as an unknowing infant with open chakras, before your cultural conditioning and chemical dumbing). In case you havent noticed, most people are blind to matters of the heart, overthinking junkies, either living in the painful regrets of the past or in fear planning for the unknown future, instead of positively enjoying ourselves fully, right here and now )
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Salute
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If tasting the tree or my example are HILARIOUS for you, then you know better about the verse..And you have to consider all those quran translators (arabs and non arabs) should be hilarious, and remember they also most probably would have translated the verse using so called classic dictionaries or on their own knowledge.. no more comment on that part..
Salaam jkhan
People have reflected on Quranic verses and have given their understanding rejecting traditional Arab and non Arab translators. For example
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Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
722 So by deceit Satan brought about their downfall. They tasted of the tree of discord and started to divide into branches. Soon their imperfections became obvious to them and they tried to conceal them with courteous behavior. Then came a reminder from their Lord, "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you that Satan is your open enemy?"10Note 10
Personal interests dominated their minds rather than the collective good of all. Humanity began to fall into mutual contention. Leaf of Paradise = Righteous behavior. unquoteI am at work so will post rest of my reply later in sha'a Allah.
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Salam to all,
Pls explain me any one whether by these verses you are prompted to deem Adam was a community (males & females)Verse 333-34 " Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Ibrahim, and the family of Iran above the alamin". Offspring one of the other.... "
Verse 359 " Verily the likeness of Isa before Allah is the Likeness of Adam. He created him from dust then said to he be, he was"
as per 333 Aren't Ibrahim, Imran, Noah the names of people and why exclude Adam... Interestingly God mentioned family of Ibrahim and Imran.. If Adam was a community this is the best verse God would have mentioned families of Adam but only mentioned Adam.. Does it mean that Adam (first community) is chosen above the alamin....... Noah family was not chosen above the alamin as per the verse. But only Noah same as Adam.. But Note 1770 & 1762 Adam as well children of Adam are honored (karamna) by God.. That's not equal to 333 word (asthafa ... Ala)- chosen above..
359 Why to compare Adam with Isa if Adam was a one community with males and females.. But Adam and Isa different from others.. Adam was created by God's hands and said be he was... Isa in much later time was created inside the womb of Mary.. I don't think it is semen of any men which was in the wombs of Mary but pure creation.. Read 347 for verification.. 3"47 resembles 359 for me.. Only difference Adam was created outside the womb but Isa inside the womb
Let me finish this topic with below verses..
20120 "Then Satan whispered to him saying, 'Adam, shall I point thee to the Tree of Eternity, and a Kingdom that decays not?"
20121 "So the two of them ate of it, and their shameful parts revealed to them, and they took to stitching upon themselves leaves of the Garden. And Adam disobeyed his Lord, and so he erred."
What the word sajara refer here Novice? You have not brought any of your concrete meaning to sajara rather than saying how to eat Tree or saying about one Indian translation of secretarianism or narrow mindedness.. Let's check what suits for above two verses..
Satan wispers to HIM (Adam) to DIRECT you (adulluka) sajara of Eternity and a Kingdom that decays not... Now if we replace sajara (tree) with another meaning such as dispute, sectarianism or narrow mindedness, will that suit to the verses? How Satan DIRECT Adam to DISPUTE or etc.. Etc.. And then what is eternity...satan wants to direct Adam to eternity of dispute or secretarianism for which Adam got enticed.. What's in it to get enticed? Is Adam fool?
Then Satan entice with a Kingdom of no decay.. For all these enticement what is the factor Adam has to perform is tree non other but tree.. How big the tree or how tiny the tree God knows .. Not only Satan enticed Adam and wife with this but also of becoming angels and immortals...Look at the glaring verse next one 20121 it says so they both Adam and wife EAT FROM IT (fa'akala minha).. Yes from what they they eat from tree... Here it doesn't say they tasted the tree but instead of taste it is ATE FROM IT.. SO it is one tree both tasted and it is from one tree they ate..
That tree had nothing of its importance but only as sign from God to Adam, and the same tree Satan used for duping and poor Adam failed to grasp what God gave him as sign and got trapped with fancy enticements of Satan..
I have no more comments in this subject and leaving to the rest to decide positive or negative all per QURAN based on their understanding..
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peace jk khan,
its interesting to see things by different angles.
what if ADAM got two meanings..
1 (name of first human)
2 (human/ity)only with the help of passage we can differeniate between meanings..
in my language adam-zad means human-being..
its more confusing if someone got name adam.. and we say adam is adam where the second adam means human...
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Salam to All,
I just want to know where is Paradise and hell according to Quran. As far as i know its in heavens.
God bless
time and space a very big illusion..
what if paradise is not ready yet?
the garden where adam and mate placed was not in unknown dimenshens it was clearly having sun in it where in the paradise you need sun?
that paradise is just a garden somehwere in earth..
now popular story of adam and eve is basically a first human mistake/shortcoming happened in very planet earth where you saved from sunshine... (think about it ) what SUN author is reffering here?
first human was the first one who experienced that mistake and after him every human did it..
cause and effect was the law so when he break the law then result of that action make them lose the facilitated garden where a human of that time can wish to live...
at present time nobody really wana live in garden becoz we feel safe in cemented houses lol thats why residing ourselves in comfortable atmosphere is first preference of almost all humans .. that why everybody build their own house as a target in this life.. think if we have to expelled from facilitated house how we will feel ? same like adam feels when he lose his first residence..
sometimes i think doing mistake is a part of human nature , on other words it was first experiment of human being to try something what attracts them but all that glitters is not gold ... type of situation they faced in the end...
dropped from heavens is myth and wrong understanding of laws...
last part of the story just my understanding when adam acknowledge his mistake and ask forgiveness from God , then God forgive him and he learned some "formulas" from his God .. then i think he build his own residence by those formulas.. so same type of things happened in our lives.. whenever we do something wrong most of the times we encounter unfavorable results..
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Peace All.
Paradise is not of this dimension. No "body" can go to paradise. Only a non dimensional(spirit/soul) entity can go there.
Not in our world. Not in our universe. Never in this life will paradise exist.
Since only a " wordlyplace" only exists in our world, paradise is no place on earth or in our universe.Paradise is in another world/dimension that we cannot grasp with our current form(human).
Now Qoran talks about the human as two entities, a body and a soul. Once the soul sheds the body, it returns to GOD, to another dimension. That is where paradise can be found.
Also GOD can take a soul to another dimension ,leaving the body here on earth(example Adam, Jesus,Elijah, Mohammed...others.
In the case of Adam, the demonstration of "our sin/rebellion" to the Angels took place in Paradise. Only the soul was there, the body remained here on earth. The "proven rebellious soul" of Adam was then returned to the body to undergo the test .
In the case of Jesus the crucifixion of the soul never took place. The soul was taken to paradise way before the body got crucified.
In the case of others( those who believe/follow GOD s system/die for no other reason than siding with GOD s system) the souls after their bodies are killed/die are taken to paradise to await the resurrection/ day of judgement as another pair of entities.
Of course this is my opinion and understanding from Qoran.
GOD bless you all.
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Acording to shahih international It's near the lote tree
Acording to Freemind it's near the ultimate point
Acording to haqeeqat it's near
Point of the Demarcated Ultimate Boundary/Horizon
In my opinion it's near the lote tree (also Adam ate from a tree)Where is the lote tree?
It's near the paradiseWhy do you people controvert with him the Messenger against him whom he sees?
While the fact is that he had indeed seen him on last sole occasion descending downwards?
From that Point of the Demarcated Ultimate Boundary/Horizon?
The Paradise the Garden of Abode is situated by its side
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Paradise is a psychological state of mind reached when the 7 chakras of the body are cleared and balanced with kundalini. When you reach this state of enlightenment, so as to eat from the tree of life, the body heals automatically, you become childlike happy, and very wise void of ego, hate, fear, anger or any vice whatsoever. "I" have tasted paradise, and so did several individuals across this flat/stationry earth. You fall in love with life, get up early to meditate then spend your day helping others selflessly. The ME mindset has now become WE. You become filled with the Holy Spirit and get contacted by angels AND serve as a messenger of the Divine. I did so around the eclipse of july. Yes, you heard right. I got inspired by G.D through the holy spirit, saw both past and future visions and activated my "super powers". Those who wait for paradise when their life is over are up to a big shock.
We are co-creators. As above so below, as within so without.
Dont trust your brains soo much, they havent been really loyal to ye.
G.D is contacted only via a pure heart,
not an over-loaded brain (=donkey with books)
Intuition is the gps of the soul via which this life is navigated.You are not your body. You are not your skin.
You are the Divine Soul that lives within.Research super-consciousness
#hicham9
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Peace Avatar Z/ hicham9.
Welcome back.
So paradise is a place in everybody s mind?
Interesting idea, can you quote some verses from Qoran that confirm this stand?
Thanks in advance.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Avatar Z/ hicham9.
Welcome back.Namaste brother @good logic sun been a while myman
So paradise is a place in everybody s mind?
Interesting idea, can you quote some verses from Qoran that confirm this stand?Not exactly what i said but hey!
To answer your 2nd question, take for instance the passages that speak of gardens beneath which rivers flow. A materialist would imagine it outside him/her, after life. The spiritually adept however experiences it inside him in the eternal now, as my body is the temple of G.D. The rivers of bliss i felt/still feel rn are not of water but of light, has its own genius/intelligence and flows from the crown chakra down to my root where i feel intense orgasmic cosmic energy 24/6 that is anything but immoral. Very pure, sacred matrimony balancing both masc and fem energy, yin and yang
Clear your energy pools and experience it.
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The light in me honors the light in you.
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I did so around the eclipse of july
The real date of "shahr ramadhan" mind ye
Coinciding with the longest total lunar eclipse of the c.Hope this helps
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Paradise is a psychological state of mind reached when the 7 chakras of the body are cleared and balanced with kundalini.
Absolutely wrong. Paradise is a physical place.
Yes, you heard right. I got inspired by G.D through the holy spirit, saw both past and future visions and activated my "super powers". Those who wait for paradise when their life is over are up to a big shock.May be you got inspired by iblees.
Al-An'am 693And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, , "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."
You are not your body. You are not your skin.
You are the Divine Soul that lives within.
#hicham9Again wrong.
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Absolutely wrong. Paradise is a physical place.
Because you were indoctrinated to believe so?
May be you got inspired by iblees.
Al-An'am 693
And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, , "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."
Again wrong.Thank you for sharing your opinion (about my personal experience)
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Salute sun
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brother hicham,
namastay/namashkar.hope u doing good in life.. i missed u a lot .. yay
i start thinking about reincarnation.. upon seeing you how successfully u manage to reincarnate again and again...
i hope u have a safe jouney at FM LMAO rotfl
sat saree call on your next greeting if u plan to reincarnate as sikh next time group
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This small thread is to Negate to ONE COMMUNITY (ADAM) but SINGLE MAN...
I was reading chapter 11 to refresh a bit on the stories of those past generation...
I found in it the communities of Aad and Szamud... They were communities of people of Hud and Salih...strangely to Adam always kept singular and dual when talking with his wife.. But for Aad and Szamud God used plural and .. Verses like... " .... Aad disbelieved in THEIR Lord... Same Szamud disbelieved in THEIR Lord... But we see different to Adam God says " ........ ... Adam disobeyed HIS Lord... "
God is very precise in placing His verses that's why God says No doubt in this book and You won't find contradictions....
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@ JKhan verses 527 and 19 58 you can use for your claims... look plz
527 Recite for them the news of Adam's two sons in truth.
1958 Those are the ones whom God has blessed from amongst the prophets from the progeny of Adam, and those We carried with Noah, and from the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and from whom We have guided and chosen. When the signs of the Gracious are recited to them, they fall down prostrating, and in tears.
on other verses if changed from Adam in to (human) did not really change or contradict the meanings.. here is one example...
7172 When your Lord brought forth generations in succession from the Children of Adam/humanity, and made them bear witness, ?Am I not your Lord?? They said, ?Yes, we bear witness.? Thus you cannot say on the Resurrection Day, ?We were not aware of this.?
God knows best either its two different meanings for one word.
only confusing thing is if meanings of ADAM = HUMAN?
although for HUMAN Quran Also use word "INSAN"so most probably ADAM was first human as per text rules of BOOK..
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What the word sajara refer here Novice? You have not brought any of your concrete meaning to sajara rather than saying how to eat Tree or saying about one Indian translation of secretarianism or narrow mindedness..
Salaam jkhan
May I know if you read and understand Quran in Arabic without translations. Do you know the idiomatic and allegoric expressions used in a language?
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Namaste brother @good logic sun been a while myman
Not exactly what i said ) but hey!
To answer your 2nd question, take for instance the passages that speak of gardens beneath which rivers flow. A materialist would imagine it outside him/her, after life. The spiritually adept however experiences it inside him in the eternal now, as my body is the temple of G.D. The rivers of bliss i felt/still feel rn are not of water but of light, has its own genius/intelligence and flows from the crown chakra down to my root where i feel intense orgasmic cosmic energy 24/6 that is anything but immoral. Very pure, sacred matrimony balancing both masc and fem energy, yin and yang
Clear your energy pools and experience it.
https//www.openhandweb.org/sites/default/files/images/Masculine%20%281%29.jpg
The light in me honors the light in you.
Ps.
The real date of "shahr ramadhan" mind ye
Coinciding with the longest total lunar eclipse of the c.Hope this helps
Profound...where can I learn more on this Avatar Z.
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Salam to All,
I just want to know where is Paradise and hell according to Quran. As far as i know its in heavens.
God bless
In the Hereafter Universe called the Lord's Floor (Indallah).
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