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Peace, do simple word substitution to see that meaning ascribed by Parvez below is senseless/contradicting...
Quote from Novice on June 24, 2017, 020356 PM
In Lughat-ul-Quran, Parvez writes that al-sana(t) is called a year of hardship/famine and al-aam a year of greenery and abundance. So may be 2914 is saying that Noah mostly had hardship except for a little time of ease.Likewise three separate words Aam/year (solar); sinna/years (lunar); sanatin (time-frames/dates)
1247 said thou cultivating seven sinna/years of hardship/famine? usual of so what harvest you so leave it in corn husk its except little of from what thou eating
1712 and made we of the night and the daytime signs two so erase we of sign the night and made we of sign the daytime visible to thou pursue ye of bounty of from lord yours and to thou know ye of number l-sinna/the years of hardship/famine? and the account and each thing explain we it detailed of
704 ascend the controllers/angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanatin/years of hardship/famine?
Peace Noon
Here is what Parvez explained in his Lughat ul Quran. All the meanings you gave for three words are given by him as well. What he wrote is that a usage of AAM and Sinina is also time of hardship and time of abundance.
W-N-S
?ا ?as-sanah) means years (its plurals are ?
? ,(sanawat ? (
? and) sinoon ? (
.(sineen ?(
There is some difference of opinion about its root. One school of thought says that its root is (S-N-H)
because the Arabs say ?ف ? saanahtu fulana) which means that I cut a deal with him on yearly
rate.
Ibn Faris says the real meaning of ?ن ? sanah) is dependent on a period of time.
?ن ? sanahatan nakhlah) many years passed on the date palm. A second opinion says that its
root is ?
ن ? sano) from which ?ی ?yasnu) has been derived, which means to go round and round a
well.
?ا ?as-saaniyah) means an animal which is made to go round and round a well in order to bring
water out .
?ا ?as-sanah) means one orbit of the sun. This is also called ? د ? daar), and since this orbit takes a
full year, therefore ?ا ?as-sinah) means one year.
?ا ?as-sanah) is a solar year while ?
ا ?al-a?am) is a lunar year.
?ا ?as-sanah) also means a year when there is drought and intensity, and ?
ا ?al-a?am) is a year
when there is prosperity and good harvest .
2914 And he lived fifty less than one thousand years
among his peopleHere ?
ا ? a?ama) is the period without hardships and ?
ن ? sanah) is the period when there were
hardships.
Lane says ?
ن ? sanah) also means crop of which there are four harvest in a year.
?ا ?alfa sanatin) means two hundred fifty years, and ? ع ? a?am) is one full year. So if ?
?
(khamseen aama) are taken out from it, it leaves us with two hundred years, which could be a man?s age.
But these are all conjectures. When more historical facts come forth it will become clear what the Quran
meant to say that Nooh lived fifty less than one thousand years among his people (2914). Some say this
is his period of messenger-hood, which commenced from the the era of an earlier messenger of Allah.
?? or) sannah ? (
ت ?tasniah) opened it, facilitated it, made it easy {T, M, R}.
Source http//qes.no/Lughat/LughatVolum-II.pdf
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Peace Noon
Here is what Parvez explained in his Lughat ul Quran. All the meanings you gave for three words are given by him as well. What he wrote is that a usage of AAM and Sinina is also time of hardship and time of abundance.
Peace Novice, he/they are all over the place -- do you see the clear contradiction with below?
1247 said thou cultivating/harvesting seven sinna/years of hardship/famine?
Likewise with this receipt for sheep Perf-558 was year "22" (25 April 643 CE) bad/good year?
shahru jumada the first from sanatin twosome and twenty (i.e. 22) and written his son hadidu
https//s3.postimg.org/u5wb0wv0j/Perf-558.jpg
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Peace Noon
What I understood from his Lughat is that Aam and Sinina were also used as years of hardship/famine or years of ease/abundabce. It does not mean that this usage is for each and every instance.
How would you translate/understand verse 2914?
Peace Novice, need to study nan (Noah of/a Noah); likewise 4615 ashuddahu/vigor his and reach forty (it's different uses) cross-reference especially with 1882 and as for the wall so it was for boys two yatmayni/orphaned two ... so intended lord your that reached dual ashuddahum/vigor theirs dual (40 year old orphans?) perhaps forty in context pertains to 40 cell divisions/iterations and is about aging; see Hayflick limit.
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Peace,
You are making things too complicated for yourself. The god simply tells us in 1712 to use the day and night to know the number of years. No need for conjecture about eclipses or things to supposedly align with the galaxy center. The ONLY way to use the day and night to know the number of years is if we take the year as the interval between longest/shortest day/night, in other words the interval between solstices. THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER WAY TO APPLY 1712 PERIOD.
That is not true as we could pick the interval between equinoxes. What speaks against this? Can you explain also why it can't be any other days?
Also, how would the intercalary period work - what happens if a 13th full moon appears. How exactly would one account for that, how long, etc.?
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Salaam!
So who is fasting now?
I jumped from thread 120 to 285 just to ask the question.
May Allah bless us all.
The correct question is not who is fasting now,
but why are muslims blind to God's truth?And God's truth is that each full moon appears only in its own season;
so the fasting full moon
no matter which particular one it is
appears only in one particular season of the year. -
The correct question is not who is fasting now,
but why are muslims blind to God's truth?And God's truth is that each full moon appears only in its own season;
so the fasting full moon
no matter which particular one it is
appears only in one particular season of the year.No need to of a calendar. Wrong translations will lead to this kind of threads
See the gods truth to which Muslims will be blind forever
http//quranstruelight.com/thematic-translation-installments-1-35-in-english/crucial-themes-of-fasting-and-pilgrimage-installment-8 -
That is not true as we could pick the interval between equinoxes. What speaks against this? Can you explain also why it can't be any other days?
Also, how would the intercalary period work - what happens if a 13th full moon appears. How exactly would one account for that, how long, etc.?Peace and sorry for the delayed reply. The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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Peace and greetings.
I counted from the last prescribed fast (June 2 12 Full Moons - which works out to be on June 17 2019. This is 4 days before the official day of the start of the Summer Solstice, which is on the 21 June. -
Peace and greetings.
I counted from the last prescribed fast (June 2 12 Full Moons - which works out to be on June 17 2019. This is 4 days before the official day of the start of the Summer Solstice, which is on the 21 June.Peace Scrappy.
Please note that number of the full moons is not 12 but 13
from summer solstice 2018 to summer solstice 2019
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases2001.html01 -> Jun 28, 2018
02 -> July 27
03 -> Aug 26
04 -> Sep 25
05 -> Oct 24
06 -> Nov 23
07 -> Dec 22
08 -> Jan 21 ...
09 -> Feb 19
10 -> Mar 21
11 -> Apr 19
12 -> May 18
13 -> Jun 1701 -> July 17 2019
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Welcome back Brook. It's been a while.
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Peace Scrappy.
Please note that number of the full moons is not 12 but 13
from summer solstice 2018 to summer solstice 2019
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases2001.html01 -> Jun 28, 2018
02 -> July 27
03 -> Aug 26
04 -> Sep 25
05 -> Oct 24
06 -> Nov 23
07 -> Dec 22
08 -> Jan 21 ...
09 -> Feb 19
10 -> Mar 21
11 -> Apr 19
12 -> May 18
13 -> Jun 1701 -> July 17 2019
...I counted 12 moons from the last Ramadan, not 13. /
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Does the 13 month get counted as 1, otherwise we will be fasting in april in a few years. I must be having a numpty head moment, cause I can't seem to count. giveup
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I counted the 13th month as number 1 the start of Shahru Ramadan, and fasting is always in June, If you miss the 13th month out completely, which is not what I am understanding anyway, we will keep going backwards.
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Salaam Ayman,
Some of the links on the Quran 4 Peace website is no longer clickable.
Peace and sorry for the delayed reply. The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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Peace and sorry for the delayed reply. The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 1712.
In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 936. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
Ayman seems to say that number of full moons is never 13 as per 936. But God is not saying that. What God is saying as per 936 is that number of full moons is 12 just like He is saying as per 2258 that God brings the sun from the east.
Does the fact that God brings the sun from the east mean that He brings only the sun from the east? Does He not bring from the east the full moons as well?
The claim that number of full moons is only 12 belongs to the supporters of the 12-moon lunar YEAR, and the claim is false. God's truth is that you cannot make a YEAR from - the full moons.
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Ayman seems to say that number of full moons is never 13 as per 936. But God is not saying that. What God is saying as per 936 is that number of full moons is 12 just like He is saying as per 2258 that God brings the sun from the east.
Does the fact that God brings the sun from the east mean that He brings only the sun from the east? Does He not bring from the east the full moons as well?
The claim that number of full moons is only 12 belongs to the supporters of the 12-moon lunar YEAR, and the claim is false. God's truth is that you cannot make a YEAR from - the full moons.
peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number) -
peace brook ... see difference count (1, 2, 3, ... 10, 11, 12) and number e.g. (12)
936 iddata/count
937 iddata/count23112 adada/number
7228 adadan/number of (a number)Ayman has discussed this in the past, e.g.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9480.msg39246#msg39246Original article http//islam-and-muslims.com/timing.html
