Nature of Satan
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Peace HAWK,
lets use malaika FOR angels in your interpretation.
234 And We said to the malaika "Yield to Adam," so they yielded except for ibless, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
points to noted..
it ADRESSED to all malaika including
malaika = gabi (communiation expert) {nature = spirit} , production material(unknown)
controller= mikaeel ( ? ) { same as gabiz nature = spirit} production material (unknown)
malaika= gravity controllers
malaika= energy controllers
malaika= water controllers
malaika = IBLESS (duties =unknown), production matetrail (NAAR)
malaika = any human? incase (if travellor with moses and person with solomon who bring queens throne) production material = water and dust..
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. God knows how many malaika he got.. so according to this verse one of the malaika rejected the command..who was he ? lets move on to 1850 now..
1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except for Satan, he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?" Miserable for the wicked is the substitute
the controller/malaika who rejects was by nature a JINN (material NAAR)..
NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
adam n eve is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
brother hawk,
people dnt know the nature of angels apart from the concept of light ..
thats why i said leave that traditional angel at side and see what people think and debate ..ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ? is that you are trying to say.. ?
if its not then tell me
what was iblees at the time of rejection (creation of ?) and what he become after rejection ?we already know he loose the status of controller and he rejects and became kafir, even kafir mean disbeleiver but do you think he was disbeleiver?
he still beleive in God he said...
714 He said, "Grant me respite until the day they are resurrected?"
715 He said "You are granted."
716 He said "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path."so its mean he is still asking something from God.. mean he is not a disbeliever, he believes in God and his believe was not even a blind belief like us ?
and he is blaming God as well, what going on.. ?
in all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
tbh this story makes no sense same like lot of other stories from religious tales are full of myth .. appears that people relate things to God, with the help of RELIGIOUS books,
a TRUE LOGICAL GOD is all powerfull, none can Go agaist him..
its like if m creating a torch , when i press a button it will give me light.. and there is nothing that can stop a torch to submitting my command..
why i ll gona make a torch which will not give me light in darkness? whats the purpose? even a human being think this way so why people address silly things to God who is the supreme intelligent being ..
another discrepancy
718 He said, "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those among them who follow you, I will fill hell with you all!"
so God is showing anger and saying him to get out, i wonder a powerful God can make command and make him get out why he is saying him to go, same like if a guest is in home and we say him to get out from my place ... but with God there is nothing impossible..
second thing...
he will also fill those in hell who will follow him .. just like UNIVERSAL WAR is going on and whoever is the allies of ibless will gona suffer same fate.. and 98% people dnt even know they are allies of ibless.. and 98% confirmed that they are allies of ibless rotfl
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label
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Peace Imran .
If you are taking this view, quotein all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
It will be interesting to hear your take on the verses .I am assuming you are not agreeing with the current translations Or are you doubting the verses are part of Qoran?
GOD bless you.
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Salam Kawaja?.
I brought this up to explain since I was not convinced in some of the things explained by you though you addressed to Hawk..?
Lets discuss with what you wrote ?
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Peace HAWK,lets use malaika FOR angels in your interpretation.
234 And We said to the malaika "Yield to Adam," so they yielded except for ibless, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.
Using Angels to Malaika has no issue Hawk? rather than giving a one meaning to them as (controller) .. typically the word Angel in represents as under.. How far it is right.. not an issue but that?s what the English word refers..
?A spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of god, conventionally represented in human form with wings and a long robe.? Google
You know, no one has seen the Angels to be honest except very few, so giving a definition in a dictionary is a huge effort for the inventor of the dictionary.. leave the subject aside.. but we know to whom we refer as angels as per quran?that?s vital..points to noted..
it ADRESSED to all malaika including
malaika = gabi (communiation expert) {nature = spirit} , production material(unknown)
controller= mikaeel ( ? ) { same as gabiz nature = spirit} production material (unknown)
malaika= gravity controllers
malaika= energy controllers
malaika= water controllers
malaika = IBLESS (duties =unknown), production matetrail (NAAR)
malaika = any human? incase (if travellor with moses and person with solomon who bring queens throne) production material = water and dust..
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. God knows how many malaika he got.. so according to this verse one of the malaika rejected the command..who was he ? lets move on to 1850 now..
1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except for Satan(Iblees, better to use), he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?" Miserable for the wicked is the substitute
the controller/malaika who rejects was by nature a JINN (material NAAR)..
Yes? above is right.. no issue..NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate(lets use submit) all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
We are not in illusion? it?s true? It doesn?t say ?No one can go against God? but it says ?They are not arrogant? ? for what they are not arrogant is to submit (sujud)?
One more thing you should notice? By this you can?t most probably deduce that ARROGANT is meant for all but for Angels & Dabba only? coz in verse it started as ?wal malaikathi wahum la yasthakbirun? for me it refers to angels & Dabba who are not arrogant in submitting but the rest are submitting could be arrogant and may not.. that?s what I get..
Who is dabba? 638 ?And there is no creature(dabba) on the earth or bird that flies with its wings except communities like you?
Very interesting usage of words.. if we human and Jins also part of Dabba, then God doesn?t need to say that Dabba is LIKE YOU.. So this Dabba include all those living on the earth, water, except Men and Jin.. Refer for further understanding 2218 (here dawwab and Men mentioned separate) and 2445 (Every dabba started with one one which creeps on bellies.. and started with human).. 2960 (separately indicated as provides for it for YOU..) .. 454 (separate We & dabba)
Look at the continuation of the next verse.. 1650 ?they fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.?
This is common with Angels and Dabba.. they don?t disobey or arrogant and following the commands..
1650 is actually meant for the Malaika & Dabba they fear their Lord and they do what they are COMMANDED.. . COMMANDMENT is for malaika and dabba..Dabba is very complicated topic and very tricky word in my knowledge of Arabic?If one claim dabba includes men and jin as well then.. then 1649 should God only calls the Angels as not arrogant?since ?wal malaikathi wahum la yasthakbirun? is used.. but most unlikely ? give yours thoughts pls..
Check all the dabba and dawabb words for much wider approach?as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
Yes, humans and Jins disobeyed.. For Iblees disobedience he was ousted from his status since the arrogance is not the sign of Angels.. For Adam?s disobedience He was ousted from Janna? Janna is only for those who deserves with obedience to God.. if anyone want to deserve it come after deserving it?
adam n eve(Not in quran) is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
Nothing fishy in it.. re-think.. approach God..
brother hawk,
people dnt know the nature of angels apart from the concept of light ..
thats why i said leave that traditional angel at side and see what people think and debate ..ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ? is that you are trying to say.. ?
(light is not from Quran.. I don?t see even Hawk mentioned it..)
if its not then tell me
what was iblees at the time of rejection (creation of ?) and what he become after rejection ?
He was a Malak(highly rated Jins with positions assigned) and became to mere Jin.. worthless now? Remember as per Quran God has used Jins (rated as angels) in the creation process, but intentionally God has not used Iblees in this process and not even let iblees know his own creation. Knower of the future..we already know he loose the status of controller and he rejects and became kafir, even kafir mean disbeleiver but do you think he was disbeleiver?
Yes he(iblees was a disbeliever from the moment he rejected to God?s order and still a disbeliever and will remain till the day of resurrection).. any doubt???
he still beleive in God he said...
How come? You got it wrong Kawaja..
714 He said, "Grant me respite until the day they are resurrected?"
715 He said "You are granted."
716 He said "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path."so its mean he is still asking something from God.. mean he is not a disbeliever, he believes in God and his believe was not even a blind belief like us ?
By simply asking a thing from God doesn?t make one a believer in God? I hope you have read the complete quran many a times.. Don?t you find disbelievers asking things from God? Do I need to bring examples.. I hope not.. Ibless is not blind when he is doing something but those who are following him is manifestly blind?
and he is blaming God as well, what going on.. ?
Yes? disbelievers will definitely blame God as if the disbelievers are right?
in all this story its appears to me.. God is causing trouble between creations of FIRE and CLAY ?
No? God is just? if Iblees and Adam couldn?t control their mind doesn?t mean God is causing?Arrogance crept in Iblees?s mind Is the cause of God? After warning and advising Adam about the tree if he still approached to it for betterment out of fancy words of satan of what God has created.. is God the reason behind?.. Didn?t God give the free will to Iblees and Adam? God is mighty just?tbh this story makes no sense same like lot of other stories from religious tales are full of myth .. appears that people relate things to God, with the help of RELIGIOUS books,
It makes sense to me and hope to many.. Hope it will make to you also one day..Why you approach religious books while Quran is complete and detailed..a TRUE LOGICAL GOD is all powerfull, none can Go agaist him..
Simply YESits like if m creating a torch , when i press a button it will give me light.. and there is nothing that can stop a torch to submitting my command..
why i ll gona make a torch which will not give me light in darkness? whats the purpose? even a human being think this way so why people address silly things to God who is the supreme intelligent being ..
But God is not selfish like the torch you refer..
another discrepancy
718 He said, "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those among them who follow you, I will fill hell with you all!"
so God is showing anger and saying him to get out, i wonder a powerful God can make command and make him get out why he is saying him to go, same like if a guest is in home and we say him to get out from my place ... but with God there is nothing impossible..
After saying the above by God where did Iblees go? Yes he lived in janna.. See how generous God is? He was living with his descendants with provision and luxury of Janna..? Why God said Iblees to go away is ?Coz iblees was among the elite group where no one before Iblees were arrogant.. everyone obeys God and obeyed willingly and with love to God for what they have been given mercy?? After all this Iblees went arrogant as if all this belongs to him(iblees)? God is fair? It?s no difference for me someone who was kept as honest in a position of a company and found out dishonest by the owner and get upset and asking him to get out but still owner pays his dues and everything he deserves..That?s a good owner.. Only ousted from the Job not punished him with unfair approach..
second thing...
he will also fill those in hell who will follow him .. just like UNIVERSAL WAR is going on and whoever is the allies of ibless will gona suffer same fate.. and 98% people dnt even know they are allies of ibless.. and 98% confirmed that they are allies of ibless
Yes? If you think Iblees is just then those who follow him also will look like just for you.. But if you think iblees disobeyed truly then whoever follows him will only follow whose heart is no difference to Iblees which is filthy..
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label?
That?s personal opinions of Religious Scholars.. How do they know what God thinks of them..Don?t do the part of God? be as human? that?s more than enough?He(God) knows what you don?t know?coz he is the Creator of everything?
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Everything in existence was/is created by Allah the creator.
When approaching the Quran we must do so as students of the most high,
Allah is teaching us. , , and many more verses, are
explanations of reality. Yes, Allah created evil and in this reality both
good and evil exist simultaneously, this life is neither paradise nor hell but both.
The Quran was revealed to guide us to paradise and to warn us of hell. When
we understand that It is impossible to step outside of the jurisdiction of the
All-Mighty we can learn that Iblis has a role given to him by Allah.In this life
Iblis = arrogance, pride, evil, perversion
racism "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."
liar, conquer, exploiter.And in this wonderful life our creator has given us limits (hudud)
and if we live within the limits we will have peace and happiness
in this life and the next!peace
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NOW i ll gona bring 16 49 and something i just discovered now..
1649 To God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures as well as the controllers, and they are not arrogant.
i m stuck here if this verse is saying no one can go agaist God.. either its controller or creatures.. then we are in a big ILLUSION.
as we know lot of humans and jinns and one of the controller(JIN) already disobeyed... even first human disobeyed...
adam n eve is the biggest ever myth i had in my life.. every single time i think about it research about it.. i feel there is something fishy.
I agree, taking the story literally is a problem like when it is said
"get down from here"What does the garden story represent metaphorically to you?
example.. all religious scholars and teaching is we are TRUTH and rest are waste. everyone saying evil doer to everyone on daily basis even if a very good heart person, charitable bellong to hindu, he is ally of ibless already in muslims mind.. same goes for every label
What is the one way, dinn, religion, path, guidance according to you?
ibless was angel ( he was creation of light) then he became jinn ( creation of fire) ?
is that you are trying to say.. ?
nope I do not know what Iblis was made of in the previous state.
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Examine , , .
And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever
is on the earth of creatures, and the angels , and they are not arrogant.
(yastakbirna)And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam";
so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was haughty (wa-is'takbara)
and became of the disbelievers.And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and
they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the
command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies
other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers
as an exchange.There appears to be a point of demarcation where Iblees was an angel
when obedient and became Jinn after disobedience.Any thoughts?
peace
I tend to lean to the idea now of iblees was an angel and became a jinn
But really argument and counter arguments are very strong
God bless
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I tend to lean to the idea now of iblees was an angel and became a jinn
Peace -- no, the jinn (i.e. controller type) were created before humans ...
1526-31 and surely creation we of the human from clay from black mud altered being and the jinn creation we him from before from fire the scorching and when said lord your to the controllers indeed I going to create mortal of from clay from black mud altered being so when fashion I him and blew I in him from spirit mine so fall ye of to him sjidna fasajada l-malikatu/the controllers all them together being except iblis refused that being with l-sjidna
Talks about those "that do" NOT about those "who do not" ...
1649-50 and to god yasjudu what in the heavens/skies and what in the land of dbbatin/creature (type) wal-malikatu/and the controllers and they not arrogant being fearing lord theirs from over them and fulfilling what commanded being
7206 indeed the ones near/with lord your not arrogant being about devotedness his and glorifying him and to him yasjudna
Talks about those "that do" AND also those "who do not" ...
2218 did not see that the god yasjudu to him entities in the heavens/skies and entities in the land and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the vegetation and the creatures and much of the humankind and much justified on him/said person the punishment and whom humiliates the god so not to him any conferrer of honor indeed the god fulfilled what willed
2724-25 and found I her and folk hers yasjudna to the sun from besides the god and beautified for them the devil deeds theirs so aversion theirs about the path so they not guided being that not yasjud to god the one evicted the hidden in the heavens/skies and the land and knoweth what thou concealing and what thou declaring
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Peace -- no, the jinn (i.e. controller type) were created before humans ...
1526-31 and surely creation we of the human from clay from black mud altered being and the jinn creation we him from before from fire the scorching and when said lord your to the controllers indeed I going to create mortal of from clay from black mud altered being so when fashion I him and blew I in him from spirit mine so fall ye of to him sjidna fasajada l-malikatu/the controllers all them together being except iblis refused that being with l-sjidna
Talks about those "that do" NOT about those "who do not" ...
1649-50 and to god yasjudu what in the heavens/skies and what in the land of dbbatin/creature (type) wal-malikatu/and the controllers and they not arrogant being fearing lord theirs from over them and fulfilling what commanded being
7206 indeed the ones near/with lord your not arrogant being about devotedness his and glorifying him and to him yasjudna
Talks about those "that do" AND also those "who do not" ...
2218 did not see that the god yasjudu to him entities in the heavens/skies and entities in the land and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the vegetation and the creatures and much of the humankind and much justified on him/said person the punishment and whom humiliates the god so not to him any conferrer of honor indeed the god fulfilled what willed
2724-25 and found I her and folk hers yasjudna to the sun from besides the god and beautified for them the devil deeds theirs so aversion theirs about the path so they not guided being that not yasjud to god the one evicted the hidden in the heavens/skies and the land and knoweth what thou concealing and what thou declaring
The command was to the Malaika? Why iblees is included if he was jinn. Did this command also include the jinn entity
Or Maybe I am not understanding you
God bless
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The command was to the Malaika? Why iblees is included if he was jinn. Did this command also include the jinn entity
Or Maybe I am not understanding you
God bless
the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
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the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
May Allah bless you brother noon. Most of the times truth is right into our face but we cannot see it. Thanks for your explanation.
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Salaam,
Salam to All,
Please can anyone tell me who is Satan, what is his Nature i.e is he a Jinn by nature or creation or what is he (obviously he is not human) or is he an Angel.
Please don't ask me what I is he according to me because I wouldn't have ask. If you want help me understand you are welcome and I will appreciate it
God bless you are
A possible explanation
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607818.msg376044#msg376044
Allah knows best.
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the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
not iblis refused then became jinn he was alreadypeace and blessing!
Thank you brother noon for replying
the jinn created 1st (iblis)
the human created 2nd (adam)The above statement is understood
command given to l-malikatu (includes jinn type)
This I did not understand? Why is it including Jinn? Is it the Arabic language Grammer? If so can you explain to me little bit more. I mean if the command was only to Angels (controllers) how would it been addressed?
God bless you
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I agree, taking the story literally is a problem like when it is said
"get down from here"peace brother hawk,
i was just busy in some personal matters thats y repling late..this thing once asked from me "get down from here" its not that hard to tackle though..
example if somebody's in fort and king order him get down/descend/get away from here .. its just the way how author select the words..
people usually think earth is on ground level and heaven/paradise is on 2nd, 3rd, fourth floor thats not the case..thats why they take this desending physically..
What does the garden story represent metaphorically to you?
after thinking and reading a lot, different NEW things comes in mind whenever u read that story, it appears its a metaphorical story in shape of lesson about the nature and properties of human bodies(provided with characters) weakness, intelligence, secured future, desires, fear of losing something, are described in a story manner.
What is the one way, dinn, religion, path, guidance according to you?
whatever is to me doesnt really matter brother..i m gone far away now.
the only blind following thing was quran in my life but true creator give me lessons of life i applied some rules from that book that turn my tables upside down,once i was blind followed my nation,family,values,fika BUT slowly slowly i learn a painful truth, it was a pain for a bit but then i realise its good that i discover the truth/or their hidden side before i waste more time..
then i suddenly discover freeminds several years ago.. from then only blind faith if i got was QURAN.. (was still in me) but unfortunately things are not going in line (lot of things) ..
if God wills to misguide someone there is none can guide him(in case of quran) if he wills to misguide me by the painful memories of my life and if he wills to bring negative results from my faith upon quran , then as a human nature i cant help myself , either the pressure of thinking make me insane so better not to think about it( means a distance from all religious dogmas)
is that possible when there was banu abbasi era was goin on people/scholars change the meanings of something to something else and install it in a dictionary and its no way back to check either whats the truth behind that word? that first thing come in my mind when i had failed experiments from advices of quran.. i m helpless in this , if i m going on wrong path i also know therez nothing that can change me apart from creator.. so lets see where i end.
honesty and blind faith = (DANGEROUS combination)
nope I do not know what Iblis was made of in the previous state.
actually what i get from text , there was not any previous nature of ibless, he was always naar , and he is naar..
about label/status we can say God blessed him some features what controllers got it like any controlling powers..
its like a police department.. once a human/jinn/(any being) was controller of traffic/crimes..and then he refused to obey the rules/commands/system and he get suspended/disqualified/sacked ...
now he will do the crimes as he already knows how controllers work and hez experienced in doing crimes. from his experience he can give a huge loss to society/law as he already know the high and low of his field...
another question here (what if ibless want to seek forgiveness) ? as much i think about that story more disturbing questions comes in my mind.. may God help us all..
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Peace All.
I want to ,make the following observations about Qoran1-GOD can never be unjust. I have no doubt GOD started the creation from a level playing field. All creations had a choice in what to become/do/experience... A good question to ask ourselves is Why would GOD create "divisions" and "ranks" among his creations if His attributes are what it says in Qoran?
Because that would be unfair from a starting point even in our logic .
So did the classifications and ranks that we are in now resulted from the creations themselves? i.e Malaika, Jinn Ins, Animal....etc? And the ranks within each category?2-GOD does not initiate guidance or misguidance. The created decide the changes they want. "GOD does not change the situation of anyone unless they make the decision to change themselves"
GOD lets you be who you choose /decide to be. On the contrary ,because GOD is Merciful and does not want the creations to choose the wrong path, has helped with a message /light / way to live...But GOD does not force any way on the creations.3- Learning always has to go through stages and experience. Making the right choices need knowledge and experience.
All creations, unless they are created robots, will undergo the journey of finding the right way.
GOD facilitates(or makes things difficult) depending on the choice/decision of right learning/ bad learning of the created.4- There is no easy access to "eternal life" except going through ones choices and decisions/experience to get there. It may take many life cycles . The true knowledge needs to be learned and experienced.
5- Qoran indicates that this life will be a journey for us humans that will lead to two different life cycles depending of what one earned.
We choose our destiny and earn our rank/ classification for the next one . Each one of us does that through the choices/decisions we make. If there are exceptions, they are carried on from the last life cycle according to GOD s knowledge of the souls , and adds to our test .My own understanding of Iblees is there is a limit one reaches at the top or bottom of the pile/ranks and Iblees has reached a way of no return through his own decision . He is fully aware of where he is and part of his traits of this rank is to take other souls with him in the next cycle.
GOD never breaks a promise and never enforces a way on anyone, but gives chances of forgiveness if the creations decide to correct.
In short we make our own nature and Iblees has made his.
GOD bless you all.
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None of your explanations is relevant to us. Whether he was expelled, disobeyed God or not, whether he was a jinn or angel, none of this is relevant to us.
"Satan is your enemy so take it as an enemy"
So which part of us is us, and which part is Satan ? No storytelling, no speaking of the unseen or unknown, just YOU and YOUR observation on your own thoughts and conduct, YOU SHOULD tell who/what is Satan TO YOU.
Enough with the storytelling.
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Or ,if you want stories/think stories are useful/necessary, tell the story to yourself and learn from it.
each will have to tell himself/herself the stories for their own learning.My satan does a lot of bad things for me( the imaginary person) and I do very few good things for me(the real person).
In fact ,I disobey my creator more than I disobey my satan. In fact I rarely notice I am obeying satan thinking I am more indepedent and clever.
That leaves me with a mountain to climb to try to see things from me(the reaL person). My satan shows me my delusion very easily and I take him for my real self.
Adam and his partner did the same.
GOD bless.
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your question is logical and important, @ kaltun
as we see according to text he asked the permission from his LORD/manufacturer to give him TIME or CONTROL untill the day when planet earth will expire. so he was granted.
you can get that answer from text but my question is a real thing to ponder ust think about it...
what if IBLESS want to seek forgiveness or he do TOBA ? as we know God is all merciful
and if he do toba and HUMANity still have a purpose?
will he b forgiven ?
if Progeny of IBLESS and progeny of ADAM work together they can easily pass the stage of games / level of grades / rewards whatever required for acquiring so called paradise yhen i think everybody will b chilling ? (but just due to one supreme controller we cant chill)when this question come the story teller whoever yhey are never think all
that blame is going on master controller of situation ? so i highly doubt about that story and yhe parts pf that story dosent really make sense and if something doesnt make sense its not from the real CREATOR