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check out what i found
The Muslim connection to the origins of Masonry is also difficult to ignore. The most glaring example in the world of the Lodge is, of course, the Shrine. The actual title of the Shriner organisation is the Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine. The Shrine is openly evocative of Arab culture and the ?shrine? in Masonry is the sacred shrine of Islam in Mecca. A Shrine initiate must swear the usual oath on the Koran, in addition to the Bible, ending thus ?May Allah, the God of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the God of our Fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same, Amen, Amen, Amen.? (Shrine Ritual Monitor, Allen Publishing, pages 35-39). Muslims, of course, deny the deity of Jesus Christ and His Resurrection.
However, doing counter research as i try to do a habbit (trying to counter what information i found) i found this-
Membership in the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, the fun organization, is open to 32d-degree Masons or Knights Templar. The Shrine, founded in New York City in 1871, has no official standing in Masonry but has gained great popularity among U.S. Masons. It features gaudy oriental costumes, grandiose titles, and pranks, and works a ritual that burlesques Islam. The Shrine reports a membership of 800,000 nobles and supports a chain of orthopedic hospitals for crippled children. The Shrine temple in Pittsburgh claims 26,000 members. English Freemasons are forbidden to affiliate with the Shrine on pain of suspension. Two similar fun organizations to which the master masons are eligible are the Grotto and Tall Cedars of Lebanon. The Grotto is formally known as the Mystic Order of Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm. Members wear a fez identical to that of the Shrine, but these two bodies are less exclusive and expensive than the Shrine.
I think this is interresting stuff.
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Noah -
Peace
neither am i, but i did come by something insterresting
7124 And they said "Do not abandon your gods. Do not abandon Destroyer, nor Night Group."
7125 "Nor Helper and Deterrer and Eagle."http//www.freemason.com/images/32_eagle_hi_res.jpg
Except nightgroup, all of the above are fitted into the symbolism in this bloody thing. And its OLD! Like Babylon kind of old. So Perhaps noahs people knew about freemasons aswell, ofcourse not by that name, but the relegion they have. Masons is a relgion, make no mistake.
I found a very interreseting take on Noah (http//brianshouse.faithweb.com/briansannex/), where his ark is (and no its not on that mount arrarat) and these guys use both The Bible and The Quran to argue their points. I find it an interrresting read.
Here is a snippet.
Start by examining basic clues
Clue #1
Where will Noah's Ark NOT be found?
Answer
Everyone knows where the phony Mt. Ararat is located in Eastern Turkey. The real name for that decoy is Agri Dagi (Dagi means mountain). And Noah's Ark won't be found there because it's not there.
Clue #2
O.K., how many ways can you spell "Ararat"?
Answer
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Ararat (See it's easy).
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Hararat Har means mountain sometimes shortened to 'ar. The middle 'a' (the article) represents the preposition 'of.' And 'rat' is the meaning you'll soon discover.
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'Arrat is the same but without the preposition and the 'H' has been dropped too.
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Harrat means mountain of lava. (So now you know).
Clue #3
Where can we find Harrat?
Answer
Mountains of lava are world-wide.
Clue #4
So, which one applies to Noah's landing site?
Answer
Try the 1,000 mile long mountain of lava from Mecca to Damascus whose concentrations are called "Harrat (name) ." On maps of Arabia "Harrat " is everywhere along that 1,000 mile long path.
Clue #5
But where on this 1,000 mile long mountain is Noah's Ark?
Answer
Right smack in the middle. Yes, it's in the Hejaz in Northwestern Saudi Arabia.
Clue #6
The Koran says that Noah's Ark landed atop Al-Judi (Sura 1144). So, what is Al-Judi?
Answer
Al-Judi is a name given to several mountains in Eastern Turkey and in Northern Iran only they spell it Mt. Cudi. But none of those decoys are Al-Judi of Sura 1144.
Al-Judi is an ancient, a colossal, preflood city of wayward people who refused to obey GOD. Thus, Sura 11 describes Noah's Ark as a great howdah placed upon the back of Al-Judi. That is, a howdah is that big box, a big burden, upon the back of an elephant or camel for carrying passengers. The howdah usually has seats, a railing for people to hold, and a canopy for shade.
Clue #7
Where is the ancient preflood city built by Cain located?
Remember, Cain named his city Chanoch or Enoch after his firstborn.Answer
It's East of Eden (Genesis 416-17).
Clue #8
Where is the preflood Valley of Eden?
Answer
Today it's deep beneath the Red Sea.
Clue #9
Did Noah build an Altar to the LORD upon landing?
Answer
Indeed, Noah built a great Altar unto the LORD when Noah's Ark came to rest atop the city built by Cain. Yes, it was like Noah adding the top layer on an extensive layer cake; and, when everyone departed the Ark, the LORD added the frosting that hid it from everyone until these End Times. It's described both by the great Altar in the court before the Temple and by the Hebrew '?ben, the dual of 'eben. Both describe that layer cake and the great howdah upon Al-Judi.
Clue #10
What does Habakkuk 33 mean when it says, "GOD came from Teman (Tayma', Saudi Arabia) and the Holy One from mount Paran"? GOD has been around a long, long time before Teman; so, what is Habakkuk 33 telling us? Why did GOD come from Teman? And, where is Paran (the ornament in the desert of Arabia)?
Cool stuff innit? What this site argues like this
The waltz pattern (1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 -) consists of four rows of three that form a square, sometimes called a box pattern. It's the same four rows of three found in the High Priest's Breast Plate, in the Levitical City design, and undoubtedly in the design of Noah's Ark. Each, therefore, is four square (Exodus 2815-20).
In the waltz, the center of the box is empty. Each side, of course, consists of 1,2,3,1 where the four one's occupy the corners. And the city gates are between the numbers. Thus, four rows of three form a square with four elements to a side.
Is excactly the kind of crap numbering that masons are into. Squares of numbers, triangels. Its all mental hay, but it would really bring this verse
831 And the rejecters plot against you to arrest you, or to kill you, or to expel you. And they plot, and God plots, and God is the best of plotters.
into a whole new meaning, as to whom its warning us about. If masons, or rather their thinking and idols (like the eagle) that caused societys all over the world to be punished by God have exsisted for that long. I for one know who it is adressing. So masons...plot away.
(psim not talking about your average mason guy who have a keg with freinds on sundays wearing a funny hat, not really knowing what all those symbols are or means. Im talking about the dark occultists)
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http//www.digitalglobe.com/images/qb/rome_vaticancity_april5_05_dg.jpg
Spot the mason symbol.
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example of masonic numered square based on the waltz pattern. (0=blank space)
1 2 3
2 0 2
3 2 11 2 3 2 1
2 0 0 0 2
3 0 0 0 3
2 0 0 0 2
1 2 3 2 1triangle
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 1 0 0 0
0 0 2 2 2 0 0
0 3 3 3 3 3 0
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Peace all
Hey Natu, i was breaking my head over the "nightgroup". Could someone tell me what the arab word used actually means, the same with the other names.
I dont wanna go on a wild goose chase here. But if the correct traslation is nightgroup. Perhaps this is what nightgroup are;http//1scom.net/~kjblackford/constellations/leo-star-map.gif
The constalations of the zodiac. Groups of heavely bodies visible at night. nightgroup. But now we are out guissing in the wild.
Please someone, tell us what the original meaning of the words used are.
reagrds
Noah