What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?

imrankhawaja

So if your elders follow Qoran you do not follow it?

peace GL,

our elders blindly follow quran such a way that i would like to represent some examples.

1 by following quran we can kill people ( blind followers of quran doing it ).
2 chop the hands of thiefs.
3 beat the shit out of immoral women.
4 everybody is going to hell apart from muslims.
5 asking help from other traditional dietes like peers, sufis, khalifas. and considered them as manager or gatepass for getting work done from God.
6 they beleived earth was flat and motionless
7 .....
so on

ok coming back to SALA ( mostly the lens of anti musali) the one who showoff.
instead of feeding poor just do gymnastic
instead of helping orphan he read chap 1 continously
instead of giving aid to needy they bow down .
instead of accepting the system(deen) of providing to family he accpet the system of inviting people to the mosque and hence giving a rightful duty of deen.

let say people substitute sala with any of those things like tasbee,dua,ibada,hamad,glorification,pray but for the ones who cant afford helping people.

for this requirement somone wise make a fatwa of doing sala by substituting any of the catagory purpose is to make poor happy and feel equal but rich people also like this kind of sala what was already somehow installed in the tradition of everybody how they perform rituals. so this ritual slowly slowly take a shape of most important TERM used by the author of quran. purpose is to save their money and efforts what they earn very hardly.

ask and observe how many people really doing duties of deen as per ch 107. ? u ll shock to know whenever i get a chance of doing anything as per 107 then i feel real peace on the contrary traditionla method of pray never give me happiness and peace what i feel when i see a smile on the face of orphan.may b rich people feel opposite as we know ?money?
is dear to them their SALA is to save the money as much as they can.

so thats y everybody have yo find out what sala is and if they are doing their sala either they are getting peace or not. different people feel peace by different ways. lets find our way how to find peace in

Sala/communion/commitment/duties/tasks/roles/rituals/charities/giving services etc

hawk99

Peace,

Maybe my statement was not clear for some people so I
will state it once more

Articles and videos are not my mode of travel, I prefer Quran. )

If someone has something to contribute put it on screen like I do. voodoo

@ Novice

I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
It would be helpful if "you" would translate 4102

@ imrankhawaja

Do not use the evils of people to lead you away from what is good!
If shaytayn says he's muslim and commits vile acts will you abandon
the deen? hmm

Follow Quran yourself and do not worry about others and what they do.

Yes the salat has been corrupted, find out how, and remove the impediments.

good_logic

Peace Imran.
For me, I study Qoran for my own benefit. I have chosen to do it and I disregard what others do.
I respect others choices and decisions, if they are cheating or fooling around or pretending that is their loss. If I am misguided ,I will only blame myself. GOD is very much aware of what we do. We cannot fool GOD even if we think we can fool people.

I understand that Salat is a connection at certain times with my creator and only concerns me and my relationship with the Lord. I take the opportunity to spend few private minutes connecting with GOD and freeing my mind from the hassles of this difficult life.
Sometimes try as I can, I fall short of putting GOD in my mind 24/7. I need time to remember GOD and stay GOD conscious to try and save myself from my evil self.

It is between me and my creator . I concentrate on myself. It is a big task without getting involved or worry about others.

I am trying my best to really analyse and search Qoran, and until I am certain my understanding is wrong, I will have to be true to my own take on what I understand so far.
I also understand that others have to follow the path that they have come to understand from their own study of Qoran.

Tomorrow at GOD, each one of us are going to be asked" Have you not studied /pondered my message or what is it you were doing in your life"
GOD bless you.
Peace

Novice

My elders did not do Salat.
I came across Qoran and researched what is "Aquimi Salat". The sole claimant Of "Iquami Salat" is GOD
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GOD taught it to Abraham who in turn taught it to his generation....And so forth.
I do it because I believe GOD.

Salaam GL

Your elders were meant the generations since Abraham.
So do you agree that you learned your ritual prayer from the generations and not from Quran?

God bless you

Novice

I agree with your definition "to follow closely" so how do we follow closely?
It would be helpful if "you" would translate 4102

Salaam hawk99

I try to "follow closely" what God has revealed - Quran and not the generations after Abraham. You can choose your path as per your understanding of Quran

If you understand "aqimis salat" is not ritual prayer then brother 4102 is in context of war condition and salat has to be the following of the commands given in context of war.

hawk99

I try to "follow closely" what God has revealed - Quran and not the generations after Abraham. You can choose your path as per your understanding of Quran

You misunderstand, I said nothing about Abraham, however you are correct,
I do choose my path as per my understanding of Quran

Still no translation of ?

If you understand "aqimis salat" is not ritual prayer then brother 4102 is in context of
war condition and salat has to be the following of the commands given in context of war.

I did not give my understanding of "aqimis salat" that is your discussion with someone else.

Novice

Still no translation of ?

Salaam brother hawk99

4102

and when you are among them

then uphold you for them As-salah (the following - since war conditions so war strategy as well as God's guidance in such situations to follow)

then let a group from them stand with you (Note not behind you as in ritual prayer)

and let them take their weapons

when they all sajadoo (submit)

then let them be behind you

and let other group come

who did not sallu (attend the instruction which will be what they will be following)

then lat them sallu (attend the instruction)

and let them take their caution and their weapons

those who did kufar wish

had you been negligent of your weapons and your possessions

then they assault you in a single assault

and no blame on you if you had inconvenience from rain

Or you were sick

that you put your weapons down

but take precaution

Surely God has prepared for kafireen a humilating punishment.

good_logic

Peace Novice.
You have many issues that you are not making sense with
-Aquimi Salat. your follow closely is vague, not consistently understood as a specific task.

1. Why do you prepare to follow closely? It does not make sense.
1. You are really struggling here. Read your explanation for brother hawk again. It makes no sense whatsoever. You are making it so difficult and weird.
  Read my explanation ,simple and makes a lot of sense.

-You have not come up with the inventor/originator of the Salat prayer with Evidence. I gave you a verse from Qoran that says GOD inspired/taught Abraham how to Aquimi Salat. GOD was the original teacher of Aquimi Salat.

-;You will have to ignore many Salat verses that will never make sense with your interpretation of Aquimi Salat, but they all make sense with "contact prayer. One example of many
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The angels called him when he was Quimun Yusalli (Doing his contact prayer) in the Mihrab(sanctuary) "God gives you good news of John; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet."

Do you just follow closely "Fi Mihrab"? What is Mihrab?
?.etc

You are assuming Aquimi Salat has been invented by other than GOD. I will look at your evidence if you can bring any.
Go on brother at least you will satisfy your own self . I feel you are not sure about a lot of verses and you are struggling to make sense of them.
Your choice and decision. Convince yourself, me and the readers with your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Novice

Peace Novice.
You have many issues that you are not making sense with
-Aquimi Salat. your follow closely is vague, not consistently understood as a specific task.

1. Why do you prepare to follow closely? It does not make sense.
1. You are really struggling here. Read your explanation for brother hawk again. It makes no sense whatsoever. You are making it so difficult and weird.
  Read my explanation ,simple and makes a lot of sense.

-You have not come up with the inventor/originator of the Salat prayer with Evidence. I gave you a verse from Qoran that says GOD inspired/taught Abraham how to Aquimi Salat. GOD was the original teacher of Aquimi Salat.

-;You will have to ignore many Salat verses that will never make sense with your interpretation of Aquimi Salat, but they all make sense with "contact prayer. One example of many
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The angels called him when he was Quimun Yusalli (Doing his contact prayer) in the Mihrab(sanctuary) "God gives you good news of John; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet."

Do you just follow closely "Fi Mihrab"? What is Mihrab?
?.etc

You are assuming Aquimi Salat has been invented by other than GOD. I will look at your evidence if you can bring any.
Go on brother at least you will satisfy your own self . I feel you are not sure about a lot of verses and you are struggling to make sense of them.
Your choice and decision. Convince yourself, me and the readers with your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaam GL

You can write lengthy post but cannot reply my simple question as copied again for your consideration.

Salaam GL

Your elders were meant the generations since Abraham.
So do you agree that you learned your ritual prayer from the generations and not from Quran?

God bless you

Since you are not going to agree that you learned your ritual prayer from fellow human beings and not from Quran, I see no point in continuing repeating myself.

You can never produce a verse from Quran giving detail of your ritual prayer. So you cannot claim that you follow what God has revealed. You can continue with your ritual prayer by blindly following your ancestors.

God bless you.

Wakas

peace GL,

Thanks for clarifying. "shorten" is in 4101 not 4102, and I also agree with "prescribed time" in 4103 (I made an oversight on this point). Apologies on the latter.

centi50

Salam to All,

I don't see anything wrong when someone is physically prostating to Allah. Nor does is contradict the Quran.

This is my ten cent opinion

God bless you all

good_logic

Peace Wakas.
Thank you for your reply.

Peace Novice.

Would you agree that you have not produced anything with substance to demonstrate that Aquimi Salat is not a "contact prayer" from Qoran.
You say I have not/cannot provide a verse that gives you the details of how to observe the contact prayer.
There is no verse as such because it is already preserved . The consistency of the steps do not vary from generation to the next. generation.( Standing, bowing prostrating)

The corruption of salat like including other than GOD in it, not devoting it to GOD Alone, changing the numbers, adding/taking away...etc have been cleared up by Qoran.
Did Mohammed do "Iquami Salat" Why and how? Is there evidence he did? Was he instructed to "Aquimi Salat"?

There are other things that have not got step by step instructions in Qoran. You can see the different interpretations for them here and elsewhere. For example how do you do Zakat/ Sawum?...etc.

Qoran needs pondering for the details to be found like you would put together a jigsaw. GOD has chosen His words to be a trial for those that claim they want to follow them.
If everything came as clear as crystals in Qoran, and no effort was made to find the path, there would be no need for a trial and GOD and the Angels would be present here explaining them.

Well, keep looking for your details. I will keep digging and studying to find mine.

Read your posts again, there not a shred of evidence in them to make me think I better stop observing Salat. On the contrary, I see a lot of confusion with your explanation of certain verses .

Would you agree with me brother that I cannot follow your reasoning on what you provided so far?
I am afraid I pass this time. Sorry brother Novice, I will keep on observing my contact prayer dedicating it to GOD Alone until I see proper evidence to the contrary.
Thank you for the conversation and GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Peace All.
I am going to clarify my view on Qoran so that the balance of the message is addressed.
Salat for me is not the priority, I was discussing what Qoran said about Aquimi Salat and my understanding of it.
This is my priority
The number one priority ,the top of any list must be the uniting factor-GOD Alone, our Creator, all of us humans-

Now, GOD places Justice, fairness and good intentions as the most important part of His system. We seem to always concentrate on the trivial matters like Salat, Sawum?. that are personal and can be overlooked by GOD if we have the right intentions.
Among the many books of religions out there, very few deal with the subject of ?justice, fairness and good intentions? i.e the attitude of our mind towards GOD s system to keep the balance for all GOD s creatures.

The most important useful analysis for any human including ?Muslims? is to deal with this utmost priority the attitude of mind towards the one GOD and His just system must be top of the list. Everything else will then follow with GOD s guidance and trust.
And this
On all other sects/religions
I am sure with all our differences ,providing we accept each other as we are, there must be hope that at least we can live in peace with each other.
So what if your fellow human went to a synagogue,or prayed in a church,or went to a temple or did a congregation prayer behind a man or a woman or is even Atheist?
. If they stop their wars,aggression,lording it above each other,fighting each other,hating each other, gossiping, back biting,ridiculing,claiming their religion is the truth?etc
You never know, just may be , now or in 100 years or so? GOD Alone will unite us all?
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Novice

You say I have not/cannot provide a verse that gives you the details of how to observe the contact prayer.
There is no verse as such because it is already preserved . The consistency of the steps do not vary from generation to the next. generation.( Standing, bowing prostrating)

Thank you brother GL for agreeing that there is no verse in Quran that gives details of how to observe the contact prayer.

And also to agree that steps of ritual prayer are learned from older generations and not from what God revealed in Quran.

God bless you.

good_logic

Thank you brother Novice.
Would you agree with me brother that I cannot follow your reasoning on what you provided so far?

Would you also agree that you are ignoring many verses that you cannot explain about Aquimi Salat. They are in Qoran clear and simple .
So you are contradicting your logic yourself, you want to follow Qoran but ignore some of its verses?

GOD bless you.
Peace.

hawk99

4102

and when you are among them

then uphold you for them As-salah (the following - since war conditions so war strategy as well as God's guidance in such situations to follow)

then let a group from them stand with you (Note not behind you as in ritual prayer)

and let them take their weapons

when they all sajadoo (submit)

then let them be behind you

and let other group come

who did not sallu (attend the instruction which will be what they will be following)

then lat them sallu (attend the instruction)

and let them take their caution and their weapons

those who did kufar wish

had you been negligent of your weapons and your possessions

then they assault you in a single assault

and no blame on you if you had inconvenience from rain

Or you were sick

that you put your weapons down

but take precaution

Surely God has prepared for kafireen a humilating punishment.

Peace good brother, I notice that you left these words untranslated

As-salah
sajadoo
sallu

It's ok, if you are willing to go to such an extent to render a translation
that is plainly designed to circumvent the ritual prayer at the moment.

may Allah bless your intentions.

These are some examples how we "follow closely".

remembering Allah by reflection and application.
Rituals

a. call to prayer

b. ablution

c. physical salat

Purification

a. fasting

b. zakat

Studying Quran

I don't see anything wrong when someone is physically prostating to Allah. Nor does is contradict the Quran.

I agree

Novice

Would you agree with me brother that I cannot follow your reasoning on what you provided so far?

Salaam brother GL

The discussion was to find out "what Aqimis salat" is as per Quran. You view is that it means "ritual prayer to connect with God" if I understood you correctly.

You have agreed that

1- There is no verse in Quran giving details of how to do ritual prayer
2- You learned ritual prayer by following older generations and elders and not from
Quran which is what God revealed for us.

Please do not follow my reasoning but follow what God says

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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on.........

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And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we will follow what we find our elders on .....

Would you also agree that you are ignoring many verses that you cannot explain about Aquimi Salat. They are in Qoran clear and simple .
So you are contradicting your logic yourself, you want to follow Qoran but ignore some of its verses?

Brother I am not ignoring any verses. Once you understand what "salat" means as per its root and read verses in context, you will not see any contradiction. Problem is you want to follow what God revealed (Quran), by following older generations whereas God commands us to follow what he has revealed.

God bless you.

Novice

Peace good brother, I notice that you left these words untranslated

As-salah
sajadoo
sallu

It's ok, if you are willing to go to such an extent to render a translation
that is plainly designed to circumvent the ritual prayer at the moment.

Salaam brother hawk

I left these words untranslated because every one has different definition. My translation as per root words is

Salat = the following
Sajadoo = to submit/acknowledge
sallu = to follow closely

Cicumventing the ritual prayer? How can one circumvent ritual prayer when there is no verse giving details of this ritual in Quran. I am circumventing what older generations enforced on us.

These are some examples how we "follow closely".

remembering Allah by reflection and application.

Agreed.

Rituals

You mean by following elders or past generations.

a. call to prayer

A non Quranic concept.

b. ablution

Another term created by traditionalist.

c. physical salat

For which there is no verse detailing how to do it in the detailed Quran.

Purification

Agreed we must keep purification.

a. fasting

b. zakat

Only in the light of Quran and not as per created and adopted meaning of Quranic words.

Studying Quran

Agreed

God bless you.

hawk99

Thank you for taking time to reply.

Back to the discussion.

I left these words untranslated because every one has different definition. My translation as per root words is

Salat = the following
Sajadoo = to submit/acknowledge
sallu = to follow closely

I was asking for u to insert your definitions in the verse to ascertain
the sensibility of your interpretation and please if possible no brackets &

Cicumventing the ritual prayer? How can one circumvent ritual prayer when there is no verse giving details of this ritual in Quran. I am circumventing what older generations enforced on us.

I agree the ritual salat has been corrupted i.e., there should be no mention of Muhammad.

You mean by following elders or past generations. (ablution)

Here you make a semantic argument nope
do you perform it and call it something else?

Ablution is a ritual from Quran not elders.

(call to prayer) A non Quranic concept.

! What is your understanding of

For which there is no verse detailing how to do it in the detailed Quran. (for physical salat)

Stand, bow and prostrate, seems pretty simple to me.

peace

Novice

I was asking for u to insert your definitions in the verse to ascertain
the sensibility of your interpretation and please if possible no brackets &

Salaam hawk99

4102 has to be read with context. It is regarding war situation and commands has to be in that context.

and when you are among them

then you establish for them "the following"

then let a group from them stand with you

and let them take their weapons

when they all submit/acknowledge

then let them be behind you all

and let other group come

who did not "follow"

then let them "follow" with you

and let them take their caution and their weapons

those who rejected wish

had you been negligent of your weapons and your possessions

then they assault you in a single assault

and no blame on you if you had inconvenience from rain

Or you were sick

that you put your weapons down

but take precaution

Surely God has prepared for kafireen a humiliating punishment.

I agree the ritual salat has been corrupted i.e., there should be no mention of Muhammad.

It is assumed here that Salat=ritual prayer

Ablution is a ritual from Quran not elders.

Which word in 56 = ablution?

! What is your understanding of

(
Oh who have believed, when called for "the following" from time of the gathering then hasten to the guidance of God and leave business that is good for you if you knew

So when "the following" is decided then spread in the land and seek God's bounty and mention God a lot may be you are successful.

Stand, bow and prostrate, seems pretty simple to me.

Where are the details? One stand, one bow, one prostate or different numbers in different prayers? What to say while standing, bowing and prostating?

God bless you

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What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?