What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Peace Novice.
You say, quoteI have presented what I understand from Quran about "aqimis salat". Salat is an Arabic word which has meaning of "following closely". In Quran where ever this term comes we have to look at the context to see what needs to be followed.
Yet you cannot come up with the context of 4;101-103, actually your explanation has no context and does not make sense.
You cannot come up with a context of 56 Why 56 if one follows closely?
You cannot come up with a context of why at certain prescribed time?... And so on.Actually ,you could be honest and say I do not really know yet? That will be closer to the truth.
Look brother you say 2173 say "revealed to them...Iquami Salat". What does reveal mean?
Showed with instruction is revealed to me. If GOD reveals something, it means it was clear to them how to Aquimi Salat..Anyway, I can see that you do not want to explain the verses that are causing you problems, nor are you going to investigate who invented/came up with the contact prayer! Your choice.
Thank you anyway for the conversation.Before I close my conversation, please let me say something important and useful to you ,me and all participants.
Everyone says they are searching for the truth. Many are sincerely wanting to find the truth.
That is why it is important to remember FREEDOM OF CHOICE .
We are absolutely free to believe or disbelieve in God and Qoran. It is God's will that we will do freely, Qoran 1829, 2557, 7319, 7437, 7629
God told us in the Qoran that He knows the future and He knows what everyone of us will do, what they will believe, how they behave and what they commit in this life, because He is God who knows the past, present and future.
Because of this freedom we are responsible for our decision on the day of Judgment. We cannot blame our parents, friends, scholars,or GOD even though He knows the outcome or anyone. We can only blame ourselves.There is nothing wrong if one start with a blank peace of paper, as though they know nothing about a ritual prayer, collect all the verses about it and study it deep. One has to be honest and do it justice by searching thoroughly.
So argue/discuss by what it is best from all the verses of Qoran not just few and try to make sense..None of us can change/guide the other. Only GOD can do that.
Likewise , everyone can believe what they want from Qoran, but be true to yourself and check that you search deep for the truth until you have no doubt? Only yourself to blame in the end?
The only benefit here ,in other forums,or with anyone s books/opinions/writings...is to learn from each other, take what is best and respect each other as per Qoran.
I am honest and sincere when I say to you, after reading all your posts about your take on Aquimi Salat, I do not really know what "following closely " is or how I go about doing it. It is vague and does not explain many verses . It is not common sense.May the Lord guide us all .
GOD bless you.
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Great discussion folks!
Those who want all these details remind me of this
They said, "Call upon your Lord to make clear to us what it is." said,
" says, 'It is a cow which is neither old nor virgin, but median between
that,' so do what you are commanded."They said, "Call upon your Lord to show us what is her color." He said,
"He says, 'It is a yellow cow, bright in color - pleasing to the observers.' "He said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate
the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.' " They said, "Now you have
come with the truth." So they slaughtered her, though they had not the mind to do (it).I'm sorry but I can't help but do this rotfl
Salaam brother hawk99
Why you started your quote from from 268?
Is it beacue you wanted to establish your point that we are asking for details for salat like people of Musa asked for details of the cow? Lets start from 267 wherein actual command is given
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And when Musa said to his people Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow....
The command was to slaughter a cow and people knew what Zabaha (slaughter) means in their language. They did not ask how to do the slaughter. They did not give alien meaning to the word "zabaha".
Like "zabaha" (slaughter) "sala" (following closely) is a word that has its meaning basd on its root, but we have to establish a ritual by following our elders blindly and leaving God's revelation behind our backs.
Stand, bow and prostrate
How many times to stand, bow and prostrate in each ritual prayer and what to say in each action? You cannot show a verse in Quran giving you these details. You have to follow your elders blindly to perform ritual prayer but not by following God's revelation.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
You say, quoteI have presented what I understand from Quran about "aqimis salat". Salat is an Arabic word which has meaning of "following closely". In Quran where ever this term comes we have to look at the context to see what needs to be followed.
Yet you cannot come up with the context of 4;101-103, actually your explanation has no context and does not make sense.
You cannot come up with a context of 56 Why 56 if one follows closely?
You cannot come up with a context of why at certain prescribed time?... And so on.Actually ,you could be honest and say I do not really know yet? That will be closer to the truth.
Look brother you say 2173 say "revealed to them...Iquami Salat". What does reveal mean?
Showed with instruction is revealed to me. If GOD reveals something, it means it was clear to them how to Aquimi Salat..Anyway, I can see that you do not want to explain the verses that are causing you problems, nor are you going to investigate who invented/came up with the contact prayer! Your choice.
Thank you anyway for the conversation.Before I close my conversation, please let me say something important and useful to you ,me and all participants.
Everyone says they are searching for the truth. Many are sincerely wanting to find the truth.
That is why it is important to remember FREEDOM OF CHOICE .
We are absolutely free to believe or disbelieve in God and Qoran. It is God's will that we will do freely, Qoran 1829, 2557, 7319, 7437, 7629
God told us in the Qoran that He knows the future and He knows what everyone of us will do, what they will believe, how they behave and what they commit in this life, because He is God who knows the past, present and future.
Because of this freedom we are responsible for our decision on the day of Judgment. We cannot blame our parents, friends, scholars,or GOD even though He knows the outcome or anyone. We can only blame ourselves.There is nothing wrong if one start with a blank peace of paper, as though they know nothing about a ritual prayer, collect all the verses about it and study it deep. One has to be honest and do it justice by searching thoroughly.
So argue/discuss by what it is best from all the verses of Qoran not just few and try to make sense..None of us can change/guide the other. Only GOD can do that.
Likewise , everyone can believe what they want from Qoran, but be true to yourself and check that you search deep for the truth until you have no doubt? Only yourself to blame in the end?
The only benefit here ,in other forums,or with anyone s books/opinions/writings...is to learn from each other, take what is best and respect each other as per Qoran.
I am honest and sincere when I say to you, after reading all your posts about your take on Aquimi Salat, I do not really know what "following closely " is or how I go about doing it. It is vague and does not explain many verses . It is not common sense.May the Lord guide us all .
GOD bless you.
Peace.Salaam brother GL
Here is what you started with
I want to discuss your claim that there is no prayer connection with GOD from Qoran s point of view only. i.e that "Aquimi Salat" is not instructed by GOD to seek help and connect with him.
So what is Iquami Salat in Qoran?
GOD bless you.
Peace.My simple question was how you "Aqimis salat" by following a verse that gives details of "contact prayer" instead of following the elders?
Please see my reply to brother hawk99. Once you figure out what "sala" means in Arabic language you will understand what "Aqimis salat" is in Quran.
There is no single verse giving details of "ritual prayer". It can be done by following elders blindly but not what God revealed.
I have never said that everyone reading my understanding must follow it. I am just conveying the meaning of the word "sala" as per its root. Everyone has to do their part to understand and follow
either God's guidance by using their brains
or follow their elders blindly.
God bless you.
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nope your interpretation makes no sense! nope
"then you establish for them "the following". What does that mean? Do they even have
the time during war?"when they all submit/acknowledge" nope makes no sense.
Anyway,
Why you started your quote from from 268?
Is it beacue you wanted to establish your point that we are asking for details for salat like people of Musa asked for details of the cow?
Yes, you got it!
How many times to stand, bow and prostrate in each ritual prayer and what to say in each action? You cannot show a verse in Quran giving you these details. You have to follow your elders blindly to perform ritual prayer but not by following God's revelation.
Here's where we agree, You are free to "follow closely" but both spiritually as well
as physically both are beneficial. There is no rakat system as per Quran, how
many times you stand is up to you except in congregation one follows the leader.
Sometimes I do one rakat (for lack of a better word) sometime two, NO you need
not "follow the elders blindly" create your own system, you make the details,
don't miss out on this wonderful gift from Allah. Stand bow and prostrate and say
what you want to say with help from Quran. Make the physical salat once a day
or five times a day it is up to you. Make it sitting if you have pain issues.
If you miss an entire day there is no penalty.handshake
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Peace Novice.
You say I am following my elders. I say I am following Millat Abraham.
You say contact prayer is not in Qoran, I say collect all the verses about it and you will see why "Aquimi Salat cannot be anything else What is millat Abraham. What are the rites ( Manasikana)?
Read on
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O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, wa Ubudu your Lord, and work righteousness, that you may succeed.Abraham Original Messenger of Islam*
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You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Muslimeen" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall AQUIMI SALAT and give the Zakat and hold fast to God; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.Although all messengers preached one and the same message, ``Ubudu God alone,'' Abraham was the first messenger to this the Islam and the believer "Muslim" (212. What is Millat Abraham? We learn from 16123 that all religious duties were revealed through Abraham
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"Our Lord, make us Muslimeen to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of Muslims to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.This is what I follow brother.
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Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper..Of course that includes Aquimi Salat.
Just thought I will clarify.
GOD bless you.
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Dear Novice and almarh....
My intention here in writing the reply to you both is not convince you but to say what I am convinced in Quran about Salat and its one of the meaning...
For me 17110-111 is more than enough as verdict that salat is clear cut.... In 2238 God asks us to guard salah and stand and no other physical postures are mentioned... Imagine God says 4101-103 about Salat... Whatever u understood by it.. Doesn't matter. Just look at the verse 4103 God elaborates 03 postures in it... Standing, sitting down, on your sides... This is right after the completion of salah ... If God can manifestly say these three positions once finished the salat God won't miss out all the postures of salah.. Coz God only gave our posture for Salat.. That is standing... See the order of postures... Once salat is over.. Salat is only standing... So once it is ended those who performed salat will be in Standing position spontaneously .. Even after salat God orders to remember Him but it is not Salat but just remembering... So standing then once tired of standing then sitting then tired move on to sides... That's so natural... If Salat ended in physical sujud..i.e..in a sitting position thrn to say immediately to remember after Salat to STANDING AND SITTING AND ON SIDES... it's pretty weird...
4142 even hypocrites so salat just to show... But here also only given the command as STANDING and no other postures..
Even zakaria while he is doing Salat he was standing... No other postures stated.. Remember don't confuse the meaning of sujud... For me sujud is not at all a physical posture... I don't mind what is your understanding of sujud.. I will prove it if anyone open a new topic on it..
Even God says don't stand in such Masjid.. Here also only posture is standing..
Even one of the familiar verses 6211 Here also the standing...
I have the above explanation just for everyone to think.. But for me 17110 - 111 is more than enough as physical Salat..
How hilarious you guys asking how many times to do rakah...has God explained you how many times to wash your hands and face etc.. If your mom asked you to wash your hands before eating when you were kids.. Would you ask how many times or how I have to wash... It's self perceptions... We know why we wash hands n not the repetition . But God has ordered to wash.. Just wash it.. Does that order not consist one time at least ...??? You like to do it 2 , 3 4 or whatever.... Keep doing... If God asked us to stand.. Do we need to know how many times to stand in Salat ... This is nonsensical at level best...
If there is a beginning there is ending... If you wash your face you have to complete washing it and we can't ask how to complete washing the face.. If god asked us to wash the hand till elbow we can't keep asking which point of elbow.. Oh water went past the elbow.. Oh God water went upto my armpit... Or water went Upto my knees.. Just rubbish.. Don't put youraelf into hardship.. God is so crystal clear.. Just keep it simple... Same way.. Once you making salat you need to complete it and cannot keep doing forever.. If it is Fajr.. You can't keep it doing till sunrise... We are doing salat to admire our load on given and specified time so we go to make it during that time... After all we humble in Salat with great humility and if we feel that's enough thrn end it... That's up to you.. Afterall a true surrenderer will end it with much of submission..
For these God doesn't need to give step by step rules.. As of property division... As of anyone's capabilities they can admire God to be in connection with God... Salt is least if connection but there are many ways to approach God...God has taught us Salat... 2239 ...even in this verse.. We can understand that while riding or walking the act of Salat can be performed without causing any blemishes to it.. Coz the only posture for Salat is standing.. If the salt involves many a complicated positions as we are aware.. Then this verse needs further explanation hoe to do the Salat while riding and walking... That's must.. At least for me..
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4101-103.
protecting,helping,gaurding,security all can be attitudes/kinds/parts of sala.
one can perform it in the cause of God by not taking service money etc.in seventh century that sala was need for community when they were under attack (security issues) hence focusing on all parts of sala give us and warn us about duties more than rituals.
modern person is getteing his sala done through CCTV rotfl i rate those people 1400 yrs ago, they faced tough time and its obvious they give duties at those times considered as salas for ch 107 good example set there, as much i think about that chapter the concept of sala make me think more about it. so in this ERA its our duty/responsibilty to check what sala we can perform for our God that will give benefit to the people of God.
although sunni/shia people are using modern technology in their mosques using gps loudspeakers etc.
Quran is empty about the methods of ritual
called namaz(pray) what people take is as sala?103 is clearing that movement of actions are not really important.( may b people used to do in ritualistic pray and it can be dangerous in war ground etc).
REAL thing is they must b sincear in giving duties when community need it like wars, flood, earthquake, tsonami etc.
author try to make people understand what their sala should be but all
nations before us make their rituals their sala just that they dnt have to spend their money and services in cause of God , its pretty easy way to dodge God.God bless you all
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Peace Imran.
When you say, quoteauthor try to make people understand what their sala should be but all
nations before us make their rituals their sala just that they dnt have to spend their money and services in cause of God , its pretty easy way to dodge God.The author is asking them to do both and more" Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds"
Those who dodge are fooling themselves not GOD.--Khasiru Anfusahum- neglected their souls, real sef.
GOD bless yu.
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My intention here in writing the reply to you both is not convince you but to say what I am convinced in Quran about Salat and its one of the meaning...
For me 17110-111 is more than enough as verdict that salat is clear cut.... In 2238 God asks us to guard salah and stand and no other physical postures are mentioned... Imagine God says 4101-103 about Salat... Whatever u understood by it.. Doesn't matter. Just look at the verse 4103 God elaborates 03 postures in it... Standing, sitting down, on your sides... This is right after the completion of salah ... If God can manifestly say these three positions once finished the salat God won't miss out all the postures of salah.. Coz God only gave our posture for Salat.. That is standing... See the order of postures... Once salat is over.. Salat is only standing... So once it is ended those who performed salat will be in Standing position spontaneously .. Even after salat God orders to remember Him but it is not Salat but just remembering... So standing then once tired of standing then sitting then tired move on to sides... That's so natural... If Salat ended in physical sujud..i.e..in a sitting position thrn to say immediately to remember after Salat to STANDING AND SITTING AND ON SIDES... it's pretty weird...
4142 even hypocrites so salat just to show... But here also only given the command as STANDING and no other postures..
Even zakaria while he is doing Salat he was standing... No other postures stated.. Remember don't confuse the meaning of sujud... For me sujud is not at all a physical posture... I don't mind what is your understanding of sujud.. I will prove it if anyone open a new topic on it..
Even God says don't stand in such Masjid.. Here also only posture is standing..
Even one of the familiar verses 6211 Here also the standing...
I have the above explanation just for everyone to think.. But for me 17110 - 111 is more than enough as physical Salat..
How hilarious you guys asking how many times to do rakah...has God explained you how many times to wash your hands and face etc.. If your mom asked you to wash your hands before eating when you were kids.. Would you ask how many times or how I have to wash... It's self perceptions... We know why we wash hands n not the repetition . But God has ordered to wash.. Just wash it.. Does that order not consist one time at least ...??? You like to do it 2 , 3 4 or whatever.... Keep doing... If God asked us to stand.. Do we need to know how many times to stand in Salat ... This is nonsensical at level best...
If there is a beginning there is ending... If you wash your face you have to complete washing it and we can't ask how to complete washing the face.. If god asked us to wash the hand till elbow we can't keep asking which point of elbow.. Oh water went past the elbow.. Oh God water went upto my armpit... Or water went Upto my knees.. Just rubbish.. Don't put youraelf into hardship.. God is so crystal clear.. Just keep it simple... Same way.. Once you making salat you need to complete it and cannot keep doing forever.. If it is Fajr.. You can't keep it doing till sunrise... We are doing salat to admire our load on given and specified time so we go to make it during that time... After all we humble in Salat with great humility and if we feel that's enough thrn end it... That's up to you.. Afterall a true surrenderer will end it with much of submission..
For these God doesn't need to give step by step rules.. As of property division... As of anyone's capabilities they can admire God to be in connection with God... Salt is least if connection but there are many ways to approach God...God has taught us Salat... 2239 ...even in this verse.. We can understand that while riding or walking the act of Salat can be performed without causing any blemishes to it.. Coz the only posture for Salat is standing.. If the salt involves many a complicated positions as we are aware.. Then this verse needs further explanation hoe to do the Salat while riding and walking... That's must.. At least for me..
God bless us all..Salaam Brother
Your whole post is based on one assumption that salat=ritual prayer which has certain actions spread all over in different verses in bits and pieces. You have to struggle really hard to assemble the jigsaw of ritual prayer by using individual verses out of context.
Salat is an Arabic verb. Arabic words are derived from their roots. Each root has a basic meaning and all words derived from a root have the original meaning of the root manifest in them.
The root making the word salat means to follow closely.
Can you explain how the meaning of "following closely" become "ritual prayer"?God bless you.
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Salaam brother GL
You say I am following my elders. I say I am following Millat Abraham.
We did you meet Abraham to know what is "Millat Abraham" so we have to find it in Quran.
Quran claims to be a detailed book. It must explain the commands given in it. When it says follow "millat Abraham" then it must give details of "millat Abraham". I suggest brother spend some time to find out what is explained about Abraham in Quran to understand "millat Abraham"
You say contact prayer is not in Qoran, I say collect all the verses about it and you will see why "Aquimi Salat cannot be anything else
Again assumption that salat=contact prayer. Please see all the verses to find out what salat is?
Root d lm ww ( و means "to follow closely"
The verb Salla means "he followed closely"The noun As-salat means "what you follow closely" For me As-salat is God's Guidance as preserved in Quran. Every set of verses before the command "Aqimi salat" gives us the guidance (the following) in the light of Quran.
The session can be called by a community leader to decide what is "Aqimis salat" in a certain situation in the light of God's revelation. (629)
To attend these sessions we are commanded to wash ourselves so fellow members do not have any discomfort. (56)
We can understand verses if we stick to the root meaning of the words instead of following alien meanings given by imams to control and oppress masses.
Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper..
Of course that includes Aquimi Salat.
Again an assumption that millat Abraham=riligion of Abraham and that it includes "Aqimis salat"
As already said above please find time to find out what Quran informs us about millat Abraham. I point out a clue that Abraham was not from "mushrikeem" and he was a "hanif".Thanks brother for discussing it amicable. I will end my discussion here by quoting Quran once again for a sincere reflection.
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And when it is said to them to follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on .....3121
And when it is said to them follow what God has revealed they say nay we follow what we found our elders on ..............
And there is no verse in Quran that gives detail of ritual prayer in one place as a command to follow, like how many units, how many sujud and raku in one unit, what to say in contact prayer etc..
I beg leave now brother Gl and leave all posts for the readers to reflect on and find their own understanding of "Aqimis salat" in the light of Quran.
God bless you.
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nope your interpretation makes no sense! nope
"then you establish for them "the following". What does that mean? Do they even have
the time during war?Brother stick to the root meanings of words and see what they convey rather than following alien meanings assigned to Quranic words to control and oppress people.
In every war people do attend meetings with their commanders to get directions on what to follow. It may be called war strategy. Once decided it becomes the guidance to be followed closely. These meetings can be conducted during war and caution can be preserved and weapons could be held.
In fact ritual prayer will be a great danger and an opportunity to be attacked by enemy.
"when they all submit/acknowledge" nope makes no sense.
In such meetings during war times listening to the commander and acknowledging it and following it closely would be required. It does make sense brother.
There is no rakat system as per Quran, how many times you stand is up to you except in congregation one follows the leader.
Sometimes I do one rakat (for lack of a better word) sometime two, NO you need
not "follow the elders blindly" create your own system, you make the details,
don't miss out on this wonderful gift from Allah. Stand bow and prostrate and say
what you want to say with help from Quran. Make the physical salat once a day
or five times a day it is up to you. Make it sitting if you have pain issues.
If you miss an entire day there is no penalty.So create your own system and make details. Well Quran call it "following their "desires" taking their "desires" as their gods" etc.
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Do you see the one who takes his wishes as his god .....
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So if they do not respond to you then know they only follow their desires, and who is more astray who follow his desires without guidance from God, Surely God does not guide those who are transgressors.
So brother you can make your own rituals but they are not commanded by God unless they are detailed in a verse in the detailed Quran for us to follow.
And we cannot bring a verse from Quran detailing for us how to perform ritual prayer.
God bless you.
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The author is asking them to do both and more" Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds"
so you are trying to say author is saying to do SALA and RITUALs both ?
or sala and zaka ?
or sala and zaka and another things(rituals) ?
whats arabic of rituals (used) by quran?God bless you
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Quran is empty about the methods of ritual
called namaz(pray) what people take is as sala?Thank you brother that is the issue under discussion. There is no detail of ritual prayer in the detailed Quran. I have been asking repeatedly to show me a verse detailing ritual prayer but no success as there is none in the Quran.
Anyway enough time spent on this discussion. Time to move on. My purpose was to bring out what is revealed in Quran without blindly following what is told to us by our elders. Let the readers decide what they find in the verses to follow.
God bless you.
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In such meetings during war times listening to the commander and acknowledging it and following it closely would be required. It does make sense brother.
peace brother,
it does make sense certainly.
and also there is an example set in one occassion of WAR when a party of beleivers disobey the command of leader and resulted in heavy losses in war?Although it was in the reference of self defence war for beleivers.
GOD bless you too
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it does make sense certainly.
and also there is an example set in one occassion of WAR when a party of beleivers disobey the command of leader and resulted in heavy losses in war?Thank you brother for reminding that war. In fact that is a good fit for the verb "salla" i.e. to follow closely. Muslim in fact lost that battle and incurred heavy loss because they did not follow closely what was decided for them by their commander.
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Dear Novice?
Your biased very confined statement of ?following closely? well known factor for me since long time.. I saw that factzzz.worpress? after research I found it completely not acceptable taking into consideration of entire quran? I always accept what is right regardless who the person is?
Yes.. dear quran itself a jigsaw?is there any problem for you to research and compare and verify.. then it?s up to you? what is in quran written straight forward for you to open in one chapter and be satisfied.. entire quran is a puzzle and solve it? that?s the way? for example if you want to know about History of Mosa? you cant just open one chapter and say that?s mosa? it?s a well known factor.. Any how jigsaw is not a big deal for me.. it?s my job as a professional and a legal advisor to untangle and solve puzzles..At least my law books are straight forward and you can search on topic wise? but not quran?Why you want to escape saying that it is enough let?s move on? Move on with what? as per your ?follow closely? ha ha ha..
Dude? quran itself begin in the chapter with a wonderful saying? I present it with intention..
22-5 Arbrey??That is the Book, wherein is no doubt, a guidance to the godfearing, who believe in the Unseen, and perform the prayer (SALAT), and expend of that We have provided them, who believe in what has been sent down to thee and what has been sent down before thee, and have faith in the Hereafter; those are UPON GUIDANCE from their Lord, those are the ones who prosper?.
Salat your translation is ?following closely?? my dear member of this forum? if one surrender to God.. he or she should follow closely the quran to it?s best comprehensive meaning? while following you have steps and guides and action to do so as clearly instructed in the book?. Once following then he or she is upon guidance? The above verse is perfect?Salat here unfortunately translated as PRAYER physical by arbery.. I don?t blame..but for me it is not but it?s a way of establishing our pure ethics/conduct?
If the salat here is FOLLOWING CLOSELY?.follow closely what? I hope you mean to follow quran? Dude total verses from 22-5 is to follow quran and nothing to leave out?quran is sent to follow closely and not specified as salat? but salat has it?s own various meaning within the quran and within the tone of quran? pls don?t teach root words?. I know very well what these root words are formed and who created how it was considered in arabic and when it was infused?and when quran revealed.. and how deceptive one could be if only go with root words just totally neglecting the author?s tone?
What ritual prayer.. did I say ritual prayer? if one call his Creator by His name and stand humbly and applauding Him is ritual for you? then it?s your understanding? God asks us to remember and applaud in various times without specifying as salat? before sunset after sunset before noon after noon duing night almost all times? if I am applauding the God following closely His instruction, will that look I am doing a ritual? Actions in the cause of God may look weird for people ? but cant help.. if one is sacrificing a cow? it may look ritual, if one is totally avoiding food during the day it may of course look ritual? Following a God and practicing quran itself may look ritual?2458? lets hope you are my father.. I am your kid?. I need to take permission before fajr?. Just teach me what is fajr salat that you were doing at the dawn so that I would know that my dad has finished Salat al Fajr so I no further need to restrict my self in asking permission? Fajr Salat as per you = Dawn following closely? lets see any physical or verbal things involve in your understanding?Remember I am a kid? I don?t need hardship in identifying the fajr salat? I need simple answr?.
Any how you answer or not? there is physical involvement in following the quran and obeying the God?
If you are only following quran and claiming so.. who taught you that 4101-103 was such and such war and that war they lost for not following closely?Did you read the verses carefully? how hilarious the meaning follow closely can become if you use that for salat in these three verses? 103 would become such a joke if we use ?follow closely?
I wonder how to say in Arabic ?FOLLOW what has been revealed to you?..
If for anyone the verses 2238 and 17110-111 is not enough as basic information for a physical and verbal salat?. Then I am extremely sorry?I have no further explanation about salat? all other salat instructions comes based on this? the time and the cleanliness etc..
Btw if anyone interested we can discuss completely on various aspects of verse 4101-103 with thorough argument purely from based on the verses?
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pls don?t teach root words?. I know very well what these root words are formed and who created how it was considered in arabic and when it was infused?and when quran revealed.. and how deceptive one could be if only go with root words just totally neglecting the author?s tone?
Salaam jkhan
May I know how you understand Quran. Do you understand it in Arabic or through translations?
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Peace Imran.
I was saying Qoran instruct us to do Aquimi Salat, Give Zakat and do good deeds.
I have given my take on what is Aquimi Salat. It can only mean a contact prayer in light of all the verses of Qoran.Peace Novice.
You have not explained, in case of war how do you shorten the "follow closely"?(4101)
.It is very clear and common sense how you shorten the contact prayer and why in the war particularly.Look brother, nobody is saying to you you have to do the contact prayer. But surely you can clearly see you have not managed to show that your take on it as "follow closely" comes any close .
Your explanation of 56 is even worse, quote
The session can be called by a community leader to decide what is "Aqimis salat" in a certain situation in the light of God's revelation. (629)
To attend these sessions we are commanded to wash ourselves so fellow members do not have any discomfort. (56)Has your community leader decided what is your Aquimi Salat?
Where do you go for these meetings?
Do you do them daily at prescribed times?
Sorry, just nonsense ,as you can see.GOD bless you both.
Peace.