Is the Holy Quran for the humans only or for the Jinns too?
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@ huruf,
3876 is not the statement of God. He quoted Ibless statement. Same way in 128 is not the statement of God. Like i said in my previous comment, in the whole Quran God never said he created Al-Jinn from fire.
Salam
No, I He did not say that He creted al jinn from anything else. True it is not God who has said it, but He does not seem to disagree with that and I do not see any hint anywhere that it is not so.
All god says is that He makes Iblees get out of his previous condition.
Both jinn and jaann come from the root that means to be hidden or covered. It does not have to be a kind of beings but rather any being that is hidden or does not appear to be seen.Salaam
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I agree with Imrankhwaja. Thanks for sharing your thought. In general, people think that and both are same things. The creature which was made from fire was and not . In the whole Quran you can not find a single verse where God said he created from fire. Therefore, has broader meaning, it can be imaginary deities which Polytheist worshiped (6100), it also includes angels (3715, People not living in the cities (721), our evil impulses(1850) etc.
Peace NK
6100 = a false conclusion of disbelievers
37158 = a false conclusion of disbelievers
1850 = I am still trying to figure this one out, but obviously
this predates
However, we know that is clear.
Please feel free to post more ayats to discuss.peace
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This story is repeated many times in the Quran. Did you think God misguide Iblees? He claimed God misguided him (716) and God never denied it, why? because God and his messengers never indulge in baseless arguments, for example Chapter 2 verse 258 where Ibrahim did the same.
Hope i explained something.
Salam
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Yes you explained something but I doubt that you proved that Ibliis was not made from fire. And so what is it exactly you want to prove becuse I do not get it.
So how does God show to us that Ibliis is not made from fire? Does God say somewhere else that he is made from something else?
He was one of the mala'ika was he not? And what ar mala'ka made of?
Of course God does not have to tell us from what iblees was made, but the fact is that we cannot know by ourselves whether it is true or not that he was made from fire.Is it that jinn and jaann re two different things? What is the difference?
Jaann is an active participle, jinn a noun. But neither have to be a single kind of being, just any being with a particular characteristic.
So exactly what are you saying with respecto to each of those terms?
Salaam
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Thanks for your patience. If i feel i can't explained it anymore, i will stop and will leave it for some other time. Language is the biggest barrier for me to convey my understanding.
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As per my understanding, Adam and Ibless story is a metaphor and not a real story (I could be wrong and you can disagree with me). It is a story of humanity. Why? because Adam was not the first creation but many Adam's was created in the beginning (711). I have other verses. I will furnished on your request.
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In the Universe everything is obeying to God (1649) except one being which is human NAFS which has two parts, explained later in my comment. All bowed down (3873) except . It was that who refused God's order and we knew that the order was only for therefore the being who refused was also .
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Now, someone can ask that then why it was called in 1850?. As per Quran were also called Al-Jin (3715 and we knew that no other creature was asked to bow down to Adam exceptI which further consolidate the fact that the being who refused the order was . In human there are two forces acting, one are angelic forces called (752) and evil impulses called .
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Now again someone can ask then why it claimed that it was made from fire?. The answer is arrogance. In story it was the symbol of arrogance. He thinks, he is superior to Adam.
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Polytheist worshiped imaginary deities, forces of nature (6100) called , strangers or people living outside cities or caves or astrologers also (4629 and 721) called
In short, my point is God never said Al-Jin was created from fire and the creature who was created before human beings was Al-Jaan. Al-Jin has broader meaning which includes angels, cave dwellers, strangers, forces of nature, imaginary deities etcs.
I hope it make sense.
Salam
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Peace imrankhawaja, NK
I apologize for not being clear, but let's analyze this ayat.
And there were men from mankind who sought refuge in men from the jinn,
so they increased them in burden.Are the Jinn men or are they something else? Help!
peace
Peace brother hawk.
by analysing the ayat u cant get any final results due to the verses given below.728 "And we touched the heavens, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles."
( lamas = physical touch ? ) brother hawk think about this point.
729 "And we used to sit in it in places of listening, but anyone who sits now finds a projectile seeking him."
( where are they sitting i never see any nation is seeking by a projectile ?)
and in the same chapter
7216 And had they walked on a straight path, We would have provided them with abundant water.
why WATER mention here ?
we can see ourselves things not making sense in most of the parts if interpretation is corrupted and meanings too then we are in a big confuse.com lol
FULLY human or FULLY jinny both are confusing actually i myself trying to find out the mystery behind invisible beings.
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https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608523.msg388232#msg388232
brother hawk remember this post ages ago ? lol rotfl bout mixed race jinns
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Hi everyone...
Honestly finding tough to allocate time to read each and every topic in this forum.. I wonder how you guys allocate time to involve in this with your busy schedule... I do appreciate it honestly... Number of topics are heaped up.. Unable to concentrate..
But thought of saying something of my knowledge with substantial proof...
Yes... Quran is for Men (made of clay) and for Jin (made of fire)... Just coz QURAN is revealed in Arabic doesn't mean it's only applicable and approachable by Arabs.. But QURAN is for those who believe in God be it Man or Jinn ...
I know people have different views about Adam and his partner... But most acceptable is they were two human beings according to Quran and any other opinions are not supported with incontrovertible proofs.. Based on that with Adam and his partner God sent some others to this earth.. That's Jinn including iblees.... Including the verse 236 is a proof that it was not Adam and his partner but those who deceived them as well and guidance came for all collectively...
Okay...
In the first place God sent Group of Jinns to the place of Prophet Muhammad and they were made to listen to the Arabic quran.. It is not they themselves arrived in their own volition... But It was Allah who made it intentionally for their maintenance of guidance... Coz that same message was meant to be spread among Jinns community... They went back as heralds to their community... Jinns power is clear in Quran... Coz they were referring we heard a wonderful QURAN after what was given to musa.. So unless they knew the meaning of both Arabic and the language what Mosa spoke they won't refer the both... Definitely Jinns speak language and seems to know almost all languages Othereise Satan can't dupe the people of the world who speaks various languages... That's immense power of Jinns...
Many verses can be taken in support of claiming that quran was revealed for those who believe in God be it men or jinn...
Let me bring the familiar verse.. 721-2 read the verses pls before read below...
Jins have listened and understood QURAN and Most importantly BELIEVED IN QURAN and they (Jinns) themselves openly acknowledged that It (Quran) guides to the right path... What beautiful verses to come to know that Jinns also depend on QURAN ever since it was revealed.. But they were depending on previous books earlier..
And read the amazing verse 727 ...thats more than enough... Common messenger...
The place they live is Earth 7210 same as we do
7211 same as men some are guided and some are misguided
7213 they heard the guidance of Quran and believed in it..
7214 no difference to human some are Muslims (surrender) and some not...Afterall we human and jinn are enticed with same Janna chapter 55 and posed a common question as which of the blessings of marvels you both men and jinn deny...
Once denied we both are threatened with the same hell fire....
Though some of the humans don't know that qyran is meant for guidance Jinn as well but jinn knew very well...Quran was not revealed in my language and or my country and somehow guidance reached me.. So what difference it makes to me and jinn... It may not be in their common language they used to speak but they listened and got the guidance and accepted it... So it means they are followers of right path with the help of Quran ..
Most importantly guidance of basic is not equaling or joining partners with God in any sort of way... That's what Jinns confirmed on 722-3
Any strong provable opposite views to this is much welcome...
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Correction with 727* .. It was to be read as "" common message.. Death is common for both and will be raised... And both some of men and jinn harbor doubts of ressurection... Nothing is different from men to jinn only thing they are created by fire... That was the only reason or iblees to arrogant as well..
God bless us...
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May I know what is that BIG DIFFERENCE, if Jinn and Janna are different creatures, would you pls explain ?
I had this question long back Dear NK? I worked it out it within the quran?Meanwhile while you explain let me know chapter 55 in it JANNA AND INSAN 5514 is mentioned and in the continuation of the chapter God turns to the both of them and call them as INSI AND JINNI 5533? and keep on posing a common question which of the marvels BOTH OF YOU deny? I don?t see the THIRD ONE here.. I need a clear explanation to accept your understanding ? I am sure I will accept the right thing regardless who you are? It would be very helpful a crystal clear answer for everyone? or will you be satisfied Jinn and Janna same? We can go through with many of the other verses to support the claim that only one creature God created by fire?but explain this first..btw thank you Brother Hawk..
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May I know what is that BIG DIFFERENCE, if Jinn and Janna are different creatures, would you pls explain ?
I had this question long back Dear NK? I worked it out it within the quran?Meanwhile while you explain let me know chapter 55 in it JANNA AND INSAN 5514 is mentioned and in the continuation of the chapter God turns to the both of them and call them as INSI AND JINNI 5533? and keep on posing a common question which of the marvels BOTH OF YOU deny? I don?t see the THIRD ONE here.. I need a clear explanation to accept your understanding ? I am sure I will accept the right thing regardless who you are? It would be very helpful a crystal clear answer for everyone? or will you be satisfied Jinn and Janna same? We can go through with many of the other verses to support the claim that only one creature God created by fire?but explain this first..btw thank you Brother Hawk..
God bless us...I actually don't won't to restrict this crucial question only with NK but preferably would like to see responses from those who say Jaanna is different to Jinn and also those who say Jaanna and Jinn same... So that we can come to a conclusion
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Is this not the case?
Insaan= One of Naas. Insaan is singular Naas is plural
Jaan= One of the Jin.
So Jaan is singular and Jin is plural.
My understanding.
GOD bless.
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Peace jkhan,
You claimed in your comment that is created from fire. Therefore, the burden of proof is on your shoulder. I just asked a reference and Brother hawk99 quoted chapter 15 verse 27 in which God is using completely different word . So I don't know why you are asking me brother to proof anything.
In your reply, you quoted two verses from Chapter 55, verse 14 (for Insan and Jaan, which is actually 14 and 15) and verse 33 for Jinni. Again, in those verses God is using different words, in verse 33 and in verse 15.
No where in Quran God ever mentioned that he created from fire. If he did then we need a reference.
What has been proof so far is that the creature which was created from fire according to Quran is .
Salam
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Is this not the case?
Insaan= One of Naas. Insaan is singular Naas is plural
Jaan= One of the Jin.
So Jaan is singular and Jin is plural.
My understanding.
GOD bless.
Peace.So according to your thread of I am not mistaken, Jaann and Jinn same creature... Is it
God bless us with guidance