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Allah is ENERGY

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    What's the point if you cannot decide between A or B?

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      hawk99
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      GOD is best described with His 99 attributes,

      Yep!

      And sorry, energy is not among them. nope

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        THEN ch 112 refutes all those sub gods.

        As I said, you have no idea about Energy in Physics.

        Premise 1 Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earthEVERYTHING. (2435)

        Premise 2 Allah = Light (metaphor) = Energy

        Therefore

        Chapter 112 The Law of Thermodynamics

        1121 Say "He is ENERGY, One,"

        1122 "ENERGY is Absolute (matter is 0),"

        1123 ENERGY has not given birthcannot be destroyed nor is He borncan be created

        1124 Nor is there anyonematter equal to ENERGY.

        BUT

        When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

        Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

        Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)

        Allah = Fire

        Therefore, 1 (Allah/Energy) NOT EQUAL 0 (matter/you/fire)

        He creates man from a clingingmagnetic substanceparticles (matter = 0 / empty space). (962)

        Therefore

        Say He, Allah/Energy, is One. (1121)

        1. Energy = 1

        2. Matter = 0 (empty space)

        (0 = "We hear, we obey" ... ELSE, deluded / insanity / shirk)

        There is no reality but ENERGY / ALLAH (1).

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          imrankhawaja
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          lol ok so we have atleast these kinds of similar energies.
          nuclear, kinetic, potential, dark so one is comparable to another how 1124 fits in it.

          i think whatever u know about physics is just a start of exploring new universes of atoms and stings theory whatever bla bla is just a start i wonder u come to conclusion that FAST seems u know all hidden things about energy(matter) ?

          Therefore lets put gravity in it

          Chapter 112 The Law of universal gravitation

          1121 Say "He is GRAVITY, One,"

          1122 "GRAVITY is Absolute ,"

          1123 GRAVITY has not given birthcannot be destroyed nor is He borncan be created

          1124 Nor is there anyonematter equal to GRAVITY.

          police

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            What else?

            Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

            There is no reality but ENERGY / ALLAH (1).

            Think ...

            Okay.

            so who comes first?

            A. Allah

            B. Energy

            A or B?

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              Novice
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              Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

              Does Allah do work?

              2117

              Originator of the heavens and the earth and when He decides a matter He only says BE and it happens.

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                kaltun
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                Does Allah do work?

                2117

                Originator of the heavens and the earth and when He decides a matter He only says BE and it happens.

                SLM

                with do all respect

                He said, "O Iblis! What prevented you that you (should) prostrate to (one) whom I created with My Hands? Are you arrogant or are you of the exalted ones." Quran 3875 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/75/default.htm

                Do not they see that We created for them from what have made Our hands, cattle, then they (are the) owners? Quran 3671 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/71/default.htm

                may Allah guide us to the straight path

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                  SLM

                  with do all respect

                  He said, "O Iblis! What prevented you that you (should) prostrate to (one) whom I created with My Hands? Are you arrogant or are you of the exalted ones." Quran 3875 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/75/default.htm

                  Do not they see that We created for them from what have made Our hands, cattle, then they (are the) owners? Quran 3671 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/71/default.htm

                  Thanks brother for the verses.

                  We need to understand usage of "hands" in a language. For example

                  Afriend ask you for help in some problem. You cannot help him and say "sorry my friend nothing is in my hands so I cannot help you".

                  How do you understand the red part?

                  God bless you.

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    Does Allah do work?

                    2117
                    بَدِيعُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ‌ۖ وَإِذَا قَضَىٰٓ أَمۡرً۬ا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُ ۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ

                    Originator of the heavens and the earth and when He decides a matter He only says BE and it happens.

                    of course ...

                    https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49509462_2266135846936327_4640214952144011264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=2ac0f731e234af0ec6dc7ddf1b9ad714&oe=5CC22DE8

                    and He only "says" BE is ENERGY

                    ... so who comes first?

                    A. Allah

                    B. Energy

                    A or B?

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                      kaltun
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                      Thanks brother for the verses.

                      We need to understand usage of "hands" in a language. For example

                      Afriend ask you for help in some problem. You cannot help him and say "sorry my friend nothing is in my hands so I cannot help you".

                      How do you understand the red part?

                      God bless you.

                      SLM Novice,

                      i mentioned the verses due your question,

                      Does Allah do work?

                      2117

                      Originator of the heavens and the earth and when He decides a matter He only says BE and it happens.

                      i dont know if Allah has hands or not , but its mentioned as work / effort ...

                      and answer to this

                      Afriend ask you for help in some problem. You cannot help him and say "sorry my friend nothing is in my hands so I cannot help you".

                      How do you understand the red part?

                      i am saying i dont have "tools" in my hand to help him.....
                      or
                      because of the limited power that i have i cant help him

                      ??

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        ... so who comes first?

                        A. Allah

                        B. Energy

                        A or B?

                        where is C (Time).

                        and before making equation complete it with Time factor.
                        otherwise it will be the tea without TEA pack, having milk sugar and water but not TEA.

                        you said WHO come first ? the time u used (First) bring a matter of time

                        do we know the age of matter?
                        do we know the age of energy?
                        do we know the age of TIME?

                        let say 13.7 billion years ago what was before that ?
                        what was time before time?

                        you have not a slight idea about energy as well as God and gravity lol.

                        have a break have a KiTKat

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Afriend ask you for help in some problem. You cannot help him and say "sorry my friend nothing is in my hands so I cannot help you".

                          haha same thing once i told to somebody bu different way.

                          i said while playing cards
                          ?Everything is in my hand? give two meanings in game of cards.( literal and metaphorical)

                          but when we say in war type matters then its only mean power/resources/capability etc.

                          God bless you

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            SLM

                            with do all respect

                            He said, "O Iblis! What prevented you that you (should) prostrate to (one) whom I created with My Hands? Are you arrogant or are you of the exalted ones." Quran 3875 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/38/75/default.htm

                            with due respect i m stuck again.

                            with my HANDS.

                            so basically God created human with the material of his hands at that time God had physical hands and all material of hands of Gods being consumed by humans so God is like ?THAKUR? of movie ?sholay?now lmao

                            i just remember something.

                            in shia version of islam when night journey happened. and God meet with muhammad by shaking hand behind the curtain. and on that HAND there was a ring in which ALI mola was written hence Ali = God lol.

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                              kaltun
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                              with due respect i m stuck again.

                              with my HANDS.

                              so basically God created human with the material of his hands at that time God had physical hands and all material of hands of Gods being consumed by humans so God is like ?THAKUR? of movie ?sholay?now lmao

                              i just remember something.

                              in shia version of islam when night journey happened. and God meet with muhammad by shaking hand behind the curtain. and on that HAND there was a ring in which ALI mola was written hence Ali = God lol.

                              Slm imrankhawaja,

                              i didnt translate it , i am also giving the link where you can find it ....

                              but these words are with my hands right ??

                              feet of an elephant is way different then ours, still we call them feets ??
                              so again , i dont know the shape of Allah has, i know we cant imagine it , but if Allah says with his hands , so who am i to say different ??

                              pls if your trans is better , then post it ....

                              May Allah guide us to the strait path

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                                Hi everyone....
                                (834-6) Do not these think that they shall be raised again, for a mighty day, the day on which men shall stand before the Lord of the worlds?
                                3967 They measure not God with His true measure. The earth altogether shall be His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens shall be rolled up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! High be He exalted above that they associate!
                                May I know what is IN HIS RIGHT HAND and the other is HANDFUL?.
                                4381 Say 'If the All-merciful has a son, then I am the first to serve him.
                                2117 had We desired to take to Us a diversion We would have taken it to Us from Ourselves, had We done aught.
                                (Genesis 126-2 God now said, "Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness; and let them hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, over the beasts, over all the earth, over all that creeps upon the earth." So God created the human beings in image, creating in the image of God, creating them male and female. God then blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and tame it; hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, and over every animal that creeps on the earth."
                                I don?t know the existing Torah is right or wrong but whatever go in line with quran I accept the torah? but I definitely believe in torah which God revealed..Infusions can be identified in the light of quran..
                                Point to ponder why always God says I have not begotten a son? Why God says how can I have a son while I don?t have a wife?Why God says if there is a son of God will be from what He created?A Son from Energy?. Ha ha ha? Why God said HE has eyes and handful and amazingly right hand and also both hands in different verses.. we know hand has many meanings but not as per those particular verses?? Why Jesus said What is in Your Heart or in your soul or innnerself (God?s NAFSIKA).. it?s not a guess coz jesus will say this in the presence of God..5116.. Doesn?t allah talk.. Yes He is? Didn?t Allah BLOW the life to Adam and Jesus? Isn?t Allah Merciful? Is Energy merciful? Isn?t Allah?s hands so big to hold the heavens and Earth in His both hands?? Doesn?t Allah write.. ? Yes He is.. 3127 ?And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea , replenished thereafter by seven seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.?
                                Does it make sense if Allah uses His hands to write? Didn?t Allah taught human with Pen?
                                Isnt Allah busy every day and occupied as per His verses..?
                                Didn?t Allah say the following in 2255
                                He is Ever Living? No Slumber or Sleep overtake Him.. Didn?t He say that?Why Slumber and Sleep? Why God compared all these facts that could have to His creatures to depict Him by saying NO.. Doesn?t He try to give us a message He has a physic but not comparable and equal to what is of His creatures but have the features for us to think who the God is?
                                Will not God and the Malaika descend on the day of Judgment? If God doesn?t have a physic why Gibreel and Malaika ascend (make sure not descend but ascend) to God which takes 50000 years?Isn?t that the place where God is Ever Living..? Why we all should stand in rows in front of God on the day of judgment if He has no Physic?
                                Isn?t Allah a visible thing on the day of Judgment ? 7522-23
                                Didn?t Allah talk to Mosa in an audible voice? Didn?t Mosa believed that Allah has a physic and requested HIM to show Himself? Didn?t Allah accepted it to reveal Him.. but inability of the earth to hold the presence of God manifested and it was not also meant to be happened by God? Oh what a fortunate fellow this Mosa was? God was ready to Show himself and didn?t refuse and reacted to it.. 7143
                                Further Doesn?t Allah have Arsh in which He remains and Malaika are hovering it ? Didn?t Allah use the same word of Throne (arsh) to depict human Arsh in which the King or queen be seated?
                                I have no confusion our Lord my Creator has a physic? But how He looks is after seeing Him only? Till then let me call Him in His beautiful Names?If He has name/s then for sure He has a physic..
                                May God bless us....

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  where is C (Time).

                                  and before making equation complete it with Time factor.
                                  otherwise it will be the tea without TEA pack, having milk sugar and water but not TEA.

                                  you said WHO come first ? the time u used (First) bring a matter of time

                                  do we know the age of matter?
                                  do we know the age of energy?
                                  do we know the age of TIME?

                                  let say 13.7 billion years ago what was before that ?
                                  what was time before time?

                                  you have not a slight idea about energy as well as God and gravity lol.

                                  have a break have a KiTKat

                                  How does that change the FACT THAT

                                  (the ISSUE)

                                  Energy is "the capacity for doing work"

                                  and He only "says" BE is ENERGY

                                  Even "HE" (existence) without "BE" is ENERGY

                                  1123 ENERGY has not given birthcannot be destroyed nor is He borncan be created

                                  1124 Nor is there anyonematter equal to ENERGY. (ie. energy can be transformed)

                                  Your argument doesn't make sense at all, logic failed or #strawman.

                                  https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=v99-S4_IvVg

                                  Therefore

                                  who comes first?

                                  A. Allah

                                  B. Energy

                                  A or B?

                                  Whic one?

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                                    kaltun
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                                    Hi everyone....
                                    (834-6) Do not these think that they shall be raised again, for a mighty day, the day on which men shall stand before the Lord of the worlds?
                                    3967 They measure not God with His true measure. The earth altogether shall be His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens shall be rolled up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! High be He exalted above that they associate!
                                    May I know what is IN HIS RIGHT HAND and the other is HANDFUL?.
                                    4381 Say 'If the All-merciful has a son, then I am the first to serve him.
                                    2117 had We desired to take to Us a diversion We would have taken it to Us from Ourselves, had We done aught.
                                    (Genesis 126-2 God now said, "Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness; and let them hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, over the beasts, over all the earth, over all that creeps upon the earth." So God created the human beings in image, creating in the image of God, creating them male and female. God then blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and tame it; hold sway over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky, and over every animal that creeps on the earth."
                                    I don?t know the existing Torah is right or wrong but whatever go in line with quran I accept the torah? but I definitely believe in torah which God revealed..Infusions can be identified in the light of quran..
                                    Point to ponder why always God says I have not begotten a son? Why God says how can I have a son while I don?t have a wife?Why God says if there is a son of God will be from what He created?A Son from Energy?. Ha ha ha? Why God said HE has eyes and handful and amazingly right hand and also both hands in different verses.. we know hand has many meanings but not as per those particular verses?? Why Jesus said What is in Your Heart or in your soul or innnerself (God?s NAFSIKA).. it?s not a guess coz jesus will say this in the presence of God..5116.. Doesn?t allah talk.. Yes He is? Didn?t Allah BLOW the life to Adam and Jesus? Isn?t Allah Merciful? Is Energy merciful? Isn?t Allah?s hands so big to hold the heavens and Earth in His both hands?? Doesn?t Allah write.. ? Yes He is.. 3127 ?And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea , replenished thereafter by seven seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.?
                                    Does it make sense if Allah uses His hands to write? Didn?t Allah taught human with Pen?
                                    Isnt Allah busy every day and occupied as per His verses..?
                                    Didn?t Allah say the following in 2255
                                    He is Ever Living? No Slumber or Sleep overtake Him.. Didn?t He say that?Why Slumber and Sleep? Why God compared all these facts that could have to His creatures to depict Him by saying NO.. Doesn?t He try to give us a message He has a physic but not comparable and equal to what is of His creatures but have the features for us to think who the God is?
                                    Will not God and the Malaika descend on the day of Judgment? If God doesn?t have a physic why Gibreel and Malaika ascend (make sure not descend but ascend) to God which takes 50000 years?Isn?t that the place where God is Ever Living..? Why we all should stand in rows in front of God on the day of judgment if He has no Physic?
                                    Isn?t Allah a visible thing on the day of Judgment ? 7522-23
                                    Didn?t Allah talk to Mosa in an audible voice? Didn?t Mosa believed that Allah has a physic and requested HIM to show Himself? Didn?t Allah accepted it to reveal Him.. but inability of the earth to hold the presence of God manifested and it was not also meant to be happened by God? Oh what a fortunate fellow this Mosa was? God was ready to Show himself and didn?t refuse and reacted to it.. 7143
                                    Further Doesn?t Allah have Arsh in which He remains and Malaika are hovering it ? Didn?t Allah use the same word of Throne (arsh) to depict human Arsh in which the King or queen be seated?
                                    I have no confusion our Lord my Creator has a physic? But how He looks is after seeing Him only? Till then let me call Him in His beautiful Names?If He has name/s then for sure He has a physic..
                                    May God bless us....

                                    Slm jkhan,

                                    thx for your vision , its makes so many thing clear for me, but i dont think that Allah created us to his image

                                    (Genesis 126-2 God now said, "Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness;

                                    Cause in al-Ikhlas 4
                                    And not is for Him equivalent any .Quran 1124 https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/112/4/default.htm

                                    May Allah guide us to the strait path

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                                      bagyane
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                                      Salam,
                                      If you removed everything from your mind, which you can feel, touch, see, smell or hear and all sort of reasoning, then you will end up with one entity beyond senses and reasoning, that is Allah, the first and the last <a href="http//tanzil.net/#573">573</a> no vision can comprehend him <a href="http//tanzil.net/#6103">6103</a> and nothing is like him laysa kamithlihi shayon <a href="http//tanzil.net/#4211">4211</a>

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        But everything is within "reason (the LordLaw of Cause and Effect)" because Allah is not crazy (illogical) ...

                                        Pharaoh said, What is this LordLaw of the Universe?

                                        Moses answered "The LordLaw of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them (ie. LordLaw of Nature / Energy), if you want to be certain (reasoning)".

                                        (2623-24)

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                                          good_logic
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                                          Peace Mahdi.
                                          Would you agree first that Allah is just the Arabic word for GOD.
                                          Also do you agree there are different types of energy? Which one is Allah?
                                          Now we can define GOD from Qoran Unique, , Absolute One( i.e not comparable), creates, intelligent designer, ...etc.
                                          Explain more about your reasoning please,just to clarify for us?
                                          Thank you.
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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