What does the root 3bd (ع ب د) means as per Quran?
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Thank you brother khan for your offer.
GOD has makes a better offer in Qoran . I will stay with GOD s explanation/inspiration( for me only) until I am guided otherwise. Then only me to blame. A student of Qoran like yourself should understand that point of view.
However I did look at your points.
Like many other humans we disagree on smaller things.
GOD Alone is a main reason for us to agree on and move on.
Apologies brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace...
I can understand your mentality.. It can happen to anyone while reading and following the Quran.. I mean to say going for various option for understanding the verses.. If it doesn't happen then it is strange... But we are going through a life sometimes long life and in between we find certain things we do for ages is wrong or correct...
It's not a kind of offer but my understanding and explanation...
Bit we all should certainly agree that quran has specific meaning is intended by God the author of it... Every sentence has it particular meaning and each and everyone cannot give totally contrary meaning to it... So that should be our effort to come to its real meaning collectively.... That in the end I believe is guidance.... Guidance cannot be of wring option of in a state of confusion as well but guidance should be manifest beyond doubt... Otherwise what to follow will be a tricky and keep following also may be insane...
Yes brother keep learning as all other members and believers... Let the believers die with right path being chosen and followed..
God bless you and all believers..
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Peace good brother, I am afraid you are now conflating war situation with traveling
And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you
for shortening the prayer...??????????... handshakeSalaam hawk99
May I know why you as a big group have weapons and why can't you leave them aside and why you have to keep precaution in a travel so enemy does not attack you in a single attack?
The word for travel in Quran e.g.
2238
and if you were on a travel
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........or on travel....
God bless you.
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The Aquimi Salat has one meaning in all the verses containing Aquimi Salat.
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......so if they stop and Aqimi salat and give zaka then leave them in their sabeel.....
You mean mushrikeen are required to do ritual prayer in above verse.
and like jkhan mentioned in his post 2241 when God give them power they Aquimi salat. You can have your ritual prayer anywhere whether you have power or not.
Look ,Zaccariah was on his own . He was not discussing any context with anyone else,he was Quaimun Yusalli Fi Al Mihrab.
He was doing Aquimi Salat- physical prayer- by himself brother.339
So when he was doing ritual prayer the controllers called him
Did they stop him doing his ritual prayer?
Did he stopped praying or ignored the controllers?God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
The people you mention in 95 are the prophet s people they have already done this beforeThey are all the same people divided in two groups. They have been doing Aquimi Salat before(Salatuhum Inda EL- Beyt... But a corrupted version.)
Remember you will have the same problem with "Aatawu Zakat" . You mean Mushrekeen are allowed to give Zakat?What the verse is saying to the two parties at war (from the same tribe) ,once the sacred months have passed and the treaty is over and they refuse to make peace i.e they are still attacking you, then do not fight those who want to refer to being peaceful and Aquimi Salat and give Zakat and are not fighting you, leave them be.
As for Zaccariah, he was doing his Salat when the Angel called. Now brother if you are having your meal (for your body s need) and I called to see you, will you leave your meal or do you finish your meal then we shat. Common sense brother.
I think the Angels are very patient creatures ,surely they wait few minutes for Zaccariah to finish his prayer!!!
Yes I cannot bring you a verse that deals with this step by step, neither can you bring me a verse detailing how Zaccariah stoped his prayeror what exactly he was following closely.
Just plain common sense.
GOD bless you.
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Dear Novice...
By confining yourself for only one meaning for Salat (Following closely - the guidance of Quran) you are definitely in trouble at I said in few of my earlier thread... Okay let's get back to your latest post addressing to GL.. Referring the quite familiar verse 95 for negating the Salat in this verse as prayer.. Yes of course it is not prayer as I said earlier which is also joined with the word Zakath...
Interestingly for you Novice the Salat in Quran is one meaning as of above and to GL one meaning which is physical prayer but for me salat gives many meanings in the entire quran at least more than four...
Okay.. In 95 you pointed that Salat is not prayer and I agree but I disagree with the closely following meaning to 95.. So you want to say " when the certain group of mushrikun were made to taabu(Turn to) closely followed (guidance of Quran) and pay Zakath leave them in their way...
What sort of meaning is that?
Why in the first place Mushrikun need to turn to follow closely the guidance which is of God...? And the Zakath.. I don't what what you mean as Zakath.. Suppose if charity why all these need to be done by mushrikun to leave them in their way.. My dear believers, establishing morals/ethics and bringing forth betterment is not necessarily be God's law and guidance but any morals accepted in the society which doesn't harm another and bringing forth betterment and peace prevail...
But clear verses refer this way...
Keep reading from 91-6 so you will get better idea what's explanation...
04 restricted months waited and the months elapsed and back to business by both parties... Point to Note Here in case anyone of those who is willing/willed after those lengthy 04 months to TURN/ED TO (Taabu) and established ethics / morals and brought purification or betterment just leave them in their way... So they did the basic of what a society needs to have ethics and by doing so purified.. It doesn't mean they followed God's law..
That's why in verse 96 God asks believers to give security to those of mushrikun who asks for it .. Coz those who reformed by establishing Salat needs the security coz they are not the same as of those who couldn't maintain the morals of a society... Those who established the morals and given security are still mushrikun.. Thats their business of belief... But they did Salat and Zakath.. That's to say they established ethics and reformed and made themselves more purified as human away from unethical conducts which is against the safety of a community...
So in my view closely following guidance of God has no meaning in this verse 9"5
Novice you are confused and confusing in the topic... Or else adamant in front of truth. Whatever it is May God guide what is right.....
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The word for travel in Quran e.g.
2238
and if you were on a travel
2184 ...... ....
........or on travel....
God bless you.
Peace Novice...
So you are trying to say that in Arabic only Safar is traveling and dharab the word used in 4101.... If so would you pls explain what is dharab... Actually at per QURAN dharab has few meanings... Isn't 7320 travelling.. In which it states.... "..... Travelling throughout the land to seek the bounty of Allah... Word used dharab... Can you explain what is dharab here...
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The people you mention in 95 are the prophet s people they have already done this before
They are all the same people divided in two groups. They have been doing Aquimi Salat before(Salatuhum Inda EL- Beyt... But a corrupted version.)
Remember you will have the same problem with "Aatawu Zakat" . You mean Mushrekeen are allowed to give Zakat?Salaam GL
My brother you assume too many things.
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Freedom from obligation is proclaimed from God and His Messenger towards those of the Pagans with whom you had made a treaty.
So this verse is regarding mushrikeen who have broken their contract with believers.
Did I say zakat means charity/2.5% tax? Zakat is an Arabic word and means to give growth.
If mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
It gives a picture of peaceful co-existence of different people in one society.
What the verse is saying to the two parties at war (from the same tribe) ,once the sacred months have passed and the treaty is over and they refuse to make peace i.e they are still attacking you, then do not fight those who want to refer to being peaceful and Aquimi Salat and give Zakat and are not fighting you, leave them be.
Why would mushrikeen do a ritual prayer and pay 2.5% tax?
As for Zaccariah, he was doing his Salat when the Angel called. Now brother if you are having your meal (for your body s need) and I called to see you, will you leave your meal or do you finish your meal then we shat. Common sense brother.
I think the Angels are very patient creatures ,surely they wait few minutes for Zaccariah to finish his prayer!!!Another assumption brother. How you know angels are very patient? Why would angel call him when they saw him praying ritually? Does the verse say they waited untill he finished his ritual prayer?
Yes I cannot bring you a verse that deals with this step by step, neither can you bring me a verse detailing how Zaccariah stoped his prayeror what exactly he was following closely.
Just plain common sense.That is the truth brother you cannot bring a verse to prove your assumptions.
God bless you.
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Okay.. In 95 you pointed that Salat is not prayer and I agree but I disagree with the closely following meaning to 95.. So you want to say " when the certain group of mushrikun were made to taabu(Turn to) closely followed (guidance of Quran) and pay Zakath leave them in their way...
What sort of meaning is that?Every resident has to follow the law of land to let the society run peacefully. It does not mean following any ritual prayers. I see in your post the same understanding.
Why in the first place Mushrikun need to turn to follow closely the guidance which is of God...? And the Zakath.. I don't what what you mean as Zakath.. Suppose if charity why all these need to be done by mushrikun to leave them in their way.. My dear believers, establishing morals/ethics and bringing forth betterment is not necessarily be God's law and guidance but any morals accepted in the society which doesn't harm another and bringing forth betterment and peace prevail...
In essence your understanding is matching with mine. The difference is that, to me the messenger established the society under God's guidance which all residents had to follow to live peacefully in co-existence.
Keep reading from 91-6 so you will get better idea what's explanation...
04 restricted months waited and the months elapsed and back to business by both parties... Point to Note Here in case anyone of those who is willing/willed after those lengthy 04 months to TURN/ED TO (Taabu) and established ethics / morals and brought purification or betterment just leave them in their way... So they did the basic of what a society needs to have ethics and by doing so purified.. It doesn't mean they followed God's law..
That's why in verse 96 God asks believers to give security to those of mushrikun who asks for it .. Coz those who reformed by establishing Salat needs the security coz they are not the same as of those who couldn't maintain the morals of a society... Those who established the morals and given security are still mushrikun.. Thats their business of belief... But they did Salat and Zakath.. That's to say they established ethics and reformed and made themselves more purified as human away from unethical conducts which is against the safety of a community...
So in my view closely following guidance of God has no meaning in this verse 9"5My difference with you is that the messenger had a system of ethics based on God's guidance and every resident was supposed to follow that system of ethics hence peaceful co-existence. It does not involve performing ritual prayers.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice...
So you are trying to say that in Arabic only Safar is traveling and dharab the word used in 4101.... If so would you pls explain what is dharab... Actually at per QURAN dharab has few meanings... Isn't 7320 travelling.. In which it states.... "..... Travelling throughout the land to seek the bounty of Allah... Word used dharab... Can you explain what is dharab here...
May God guide us and teach us His book plainly...Dharaba means to strike but idiomatically it has been used in Quran giving a variety of meanings depending upon the context.
It seems to me that in Quran when dharaba is used for travel it has some specific purpose, it is not an ordinary personal travel. 7320 is giving purpose of travel to seek God's bounties.
God bless you.
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Every resident has to follow the law of land to let the society run peacefully. It does not mean following any ritual prayers. I see in your post the same understanding.
In essence your understanding is matching with mine. The difference is that, to me the messenger established the society under God's guidance which all residents had to follow to live peacefully in co-existence.My difference with you is that the messenger had a system of ethics based on God's guidance and every resident was supposed to follow that system of ethics hence peaceful co-existence. It does not involve performing ritual prayers.
God bless you.
There you are Novice..... every resident has to follow the law of a nation... wait a second... ethics are must in every faculty of society... be it school, college, parliament, on the road or at home or wherever... BUT it doesnt need to be the law of God... that's bizarre claim... Forcing the people of the nation to follow the law of God... horrible... there is no compulsion in system... Nations consists of different sets of beliefs and even so called religions and they all no need to follow the law of God... it's not even ethical approach... Ethics are common .. ethics are born with human and every human knows what ethic is... problem is all of them don't follow it..
meanwhile what a nation or the responsible ones of a nation can and should control is basic ethics and law presented to safeguard the nation... There is no way a country should implement Law and order based on single religious aspect when there are people who live with different belief and they live peacefully without harming anyone and abiding the general principles of law not necessarily need to accept God's law in quran... that's not God said.. but you say Novice... so dangerous if you are a leader of a nation... elektro voodoo
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There you are Novice..... every resident has to follow the law of a nation... wait a second... ethics are must in every faculty of society... be it school, college, parliament, on the road or at home or wherever... BUT it doesnt need to be the law of God... that's bizarre claim... Forcing the people of the nation to follow the law of God... horrible... there is no compulsion in system... Nations consists of different sets of beliefs and even so called religions and they all no need to follow the law of God... it's not even ethical approach... Ethics are common .. ethics are born with human and every human knows what ethic is... problem is all of them don't follow it..
meanwhile what a nation or the responsible ones of a nation can and should control is basic ethics and law presented to safeguard the nation... There is no way a country should implement Law and order based on single religious aspect when there are people who live with different belief and they live peacefully without harming anyone and abiding the general principles of law not necessarily need to accept God's law in quran... that's not God said.. but you say Novice... so dangerous if you are a leader of a nation... elektro voodoo
God guide us..Here you are grossly mistaken jkhan. God's Law is not religious law. It is Deen not religion. Let me give an example of God's Law
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Please use your favorite translation if you do not understand language of Quran e.g. http//quranix.org/6#151
Deen is all ethics, morality and justice as per God's standard.
History confirms that every man-made system is flawed.
Even this Deen becomes fruitless when humans add to it their wishes converting it into a religion focused on worship of a deity through empty soul less rituals.
God bless you.
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Here you are grossly mistaken jkhan. God's Law is not religious law. It is Deen not religion. Let me give an example of God's Law
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6152
6153
Please use your favorite translation if you do not understand language of Quran e.g. http//quranix.org/6#151
Deen is all ethics, morality and justice as per God's standard.
History confirms that every man-made system is flawed.
Even this Deen becomes fruitless when humans add to it their wishes converting it into a religion focused on worship of a deity through empty soul less rituals.
God bless you.
Dear Novice...
Be patient and concentrate what you say if you seek guidance from God....
Don't instantly decide things and respond... What is religion I have no idea when it comes to quran... That's why I said "There is no compulsion in system ""
But we have to accept people do have their own religions and dogmas to approach ehat they believe...
Hmm my favorite translation is translations verified by non other By Khan... That's me.. I am not kidding.. I believe what is right for my mind after thoroughly verifying... So don't bother about my quran knowledge.... Just relax...
Let's get back to those three verses... You God has given set of dos and don'ts...individually and as a nations.... That's very clear in Quran.. If God asks to fast then fast and we can't force anyone who is mushrik or hypocrites to fast and force by saying that God's law is the best and flawless...
Other tyoe is collective law to be practiced... If a nation is under a well practiced Muslim for example the late period of Mohamed... They Mohamed would only set the law according to the instructions given in the Quran as laws of the nation's.. If anyone found at murderer then the specific rules will be applied.. Remember regardless of any religious belief of other community coz the power is in the hands of majority which is under Mohamed.. So others have to surrender whether like or not.. That's so simple.. If you live in USA follow what US government is saying and if you are in Egypt or Saudi or India then follow what the respective Nations say to keep the peace in the nations... Point to think Novice is quran has various laws that only believers should take it as a practice and I don't need to emphasize that... So asking and forcing the mushrik to follow everything what is in Quran and as laws prescribed by God is outrageous and against humanity...
Man made system succeeds and fails coz its man made.. But it doesn't mean God is against Man made system... If Yousuf lived in the kingdom of Man made and though Yousuf is prophet or not he has to surrender to the system just keep the peace around though Yousuf is well convinced that the system is right or wrong...
Novice be stick to what we have been discussing and go with it... Mushrik was the last thread and if they were making Salat and Zakath let them go in their way....
If any mushrik unethical mushrik reformed by establishing Salat morals and purifying Zakath then it could be against those mushrik who are violent so giving security for such people a group who is fighting for freedom of living in peace is responsibility....
Novice bring better argument... Trust me I only take the right path even you clarified to me or GL or anyone... Coz right path should be respected and be followed... Once the truth is manifest and denying is worse.. I am not such... I will definitely highly appreciate you and accept it I find your explanations convinced me as per QURAN... I am not proud to accept truth... So bring better proof...
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Peace Novice.
Do you see that you have a problem with this, quoteIf mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
So you expect them to follow GOD s guidance or force them?
In that case they will Aquimi Salat and give Zakat!!!I said, they already have been doing Aquimi Salat before ( Wa Ma Kana Salatuhum Inda El-Beyt Illa Mukaan Wa Tasdiyah?)
And I also implied exactly this in my post as well
It gives a picture of peaceful co-existence of different people in one society.
Read my post again, I said -Leave them be-
As for Zaccariah, what do you think he was doing brother?
GOD bless you.
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Let's get back to those three verses... You God has given set of dos and don'ts...individually and as a nations.... That's very clear in Quran.. If God asks to fast then fast and we can't force anyone who is mushrik or hypocrites to fast and force by saying that God's law is the best and flawless...
God's guidance is perfect. All religious rituals are man made. So we cannot force a mushrik to follow man made rituals. The guidance in Quran is not for Muslims only. Quran is guidance for all mankind
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So please do not say what Quran does not say. It did not ask mushrikeen to do any ritual prayers or fasting or giving 2.5% zakat tax. It is saying that if mushrikeen follow God's Law (e.g. 6151-153) and give growth to society then leave them alone.
If you live in USA follow what US government is saying and if you are in Egypt or Saudi or India then follow what the respective Nations say to keep the peace in the nations...
Wrong a believer would not follow anything that is against Quranic guidance whether he lives in USA or Saudia or...
Point to think Novice is quran has various laws that only believers should take it as a practice and I don't need to emphasize that... So asking and forcing the mushrik to follow everything what is in Quran and as laws prescribed by God is outrageous and against humanity...
When my Rabb says it is "guidance for mankind" I believe it can be practiced by all mankind.
Man made system succeeds and fails coz its man made.. But it doesn't mean God is against Man made system... If Yousuf lived in the kingdom of Man made and though Yousuf is prophet or not he has to surrender to the system just keep the peace around though Yousuf is well convinced that the system is right or wrong...
Wrong again. God's Deen is to overcome over all man made systems.
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He who sent His messenger with guidance and true Deen so it could overcome all other deens .....
Novice bring better argument... Trust me I only take the right path even you clarified to me or GL or anyone... Coz right path should be respected and be followed... Once the truth is manifest and denying is worse.. I am not such... I will definitely highly appreciate you and accept it I find your explanations convinced me as per QURAN... I am not proud to accept truth... So bring better proof...
Did I quote anything out of Quran? My proof is only Quran.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
Do you see that you have a problem with this, quoteIf mushrikeen follow the rules of your society, not the ritual prayer or 2.5% tax etc., but respecting and following your society's norms, which are based on God's guidance and as a result give overall growth to the society and don't fight with you, then leave them alone.
So you expect them to follow GOD s guidance or force them?
In that case they will Aquimi Salat and give Zakat!!!So you mean they will do ritual prayer and pay 2.5% zakat tax. That is good logic.
As for Zaccariah, what do you think he was doing brother?
" ". God has commanded us to reflect on His ayats. When we are reflecting on His ayats in order to follow them closely, we are doing salat.
God bless you.
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Wrong a believer would not follow anything that is against Quranic guidance whether he lives in USA or Saudia or...
Peace Novice....
Either you don't get me or you are blinded.... I explained simply do that I anticipated you give thought in broad way and understand... So I have to explain unfortunately the simple things...
Dear that's why I used the phrase WHETHER LIKE OR NOT..
Yes we follow we live US or China things against our belief or those who are not believers are following against their belief of they live in another environment...
Okay let me put it in detail...
If you live in USA where r you like it or you have to be patient to agree the law of Gay marriage...
If the punishment for murdering in India is 10 years then eve. If you agree or not got to surrender
If eating or killing cows or certain animals is prohibited you got to surrender... Going against is only makes those angry and violating the law..
If driving for women is prohibited then got to surrender whether like it or not.
If selling and breeding swines is prohibited then they have to surrender even they love to eat it's meat...
If the one girl is raped and if the law is to marry the girl thrn surrender whether like it or not or going against God's law...
If the taxes are overloaded on public still you got to surrender you like it or not...
If you are not allowed to enter so called Haramain in Saudi being labelled as kafir then u got to surrender whether they like it or not...
If you are not allowed to preach publicly about One God belief in one nation then surrender to the law...if having more than one child is prohibited in any nation then surrender... Why we surrender coz we are powerless to go against it... Going against is needless to say...
You can bring examples of each nations of you put thoughts to it..
But somehow being a follower of God or not Following God have to surrender just to keep the peace not coz individuals heart like it...
Everyone has their privacy in heart to believe in What they like regardless of what is the law of a nation..
You don't need to make Mushrik follow everything of what God ordered just coz you have upper hand.... You only have to do what is wrong collectively against the peace of a nation... How come you shamelessly say that mushrik should surrender to God's law and closely follow while they have their own set of dogmas which they respect... But unethical way he it it mushrik or believers should be punished according to prevailing law... Be God's or human made... If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment.... Whether it is the law of God or not you will be satisfied that justice was brought.. And when he returns after 5 years you can't revenge saying that it is not enough and it is not the law of God... That's horrible and you will be the breacher...
So Salat and Zakath gives meaning in Quran to establish morals and bringforth purification be it God's law or human made but peace prevail... God's law always should be followed all believers individually... Collectively when there is power on the hands of purr Muslims.. I doubt that prevails in any nation... Messengers came to nations and their duty to present what God delivered and not to force in people taking and leaving is their own business....
But morals can't be taken for granted lightly... Morals is human rights... No one can spoil the peace of another by being unethical... Suppose if you go in a bus peacefully and suddenly one behaves very unethically harming everyone's peace in the bus needs quick action against him to bringforth the peace in the bus...
Dude be more broadminded with the verses of God... When God explained something in Quran with one verse in one chapter that could only be one meaning intended by God and contrary meanings to that particular verses need to be addressed... Finding out the exact meaning intended by God is the duty of every believer..
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If you live in USA where r you like it or you have to be patient to agree the law of Gay marriage...
No I don't have to agree with it. It does not force me to live like a guy.
If the punishment for murdering in India is 10 years then eve. If you agree or not got to surrender
India is not an islamic country so they do not have to follow Quranic law. 95 deals with the status of mushrikeen in an islamic state.
If eating or killing cows or certain animals is prohibited you got to surrender... Going against is only makes those angry and violating the law..
Does Quran make it obligatory for us to kill cows etc while living in a Hindu country?
If driving for women is prohibited then got to surrender whether like it or not.
What it has to do with Quranic guidance. Its a cultural thing.
If selling and breeding swines is prohibited then they have to surrender even they love to eat it's meat...
Quran only commands us not to eat it. What they do is their doing.
If the one girl is raped and if the law is to marry the girl thrn surrender whether like it or not or going against God's law...
You totally forgot that in non-Islamic country you cannot judge them with Quranic law. 95 is status of mushrikeen in Islamic country.
How come you shamelessly say that mushrik should surrender to God's law and closely follow while they have their own set of dogmas which they respect...
If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment....
I do not want to reply to any of your post in future because I do not like to lose manners in a debate. To you is your understanding and to me is mine and we are not answerable to each others understanding.
God bless you.
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Peace Novice.
This is a way of saying I do not have to explain about verses of Aquimi Salat, quote" ". God has commanded us to reflect on His ayats. When we are reflecting on His ayats in order to follow them closely, we are doing salat.
Just say you are still reflecting on most of the ayats about Aquimi Salat.
That is fine by me.
Keep reflecting brother, so will I.
Thank you and GOD bless you.
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If you don?t want to respond, I won?t force anyone to answer in this forum.. there is no compulsion that one should reply to another.. but I will keep moving with clarifications and understanding of quran, if God will someone will benefit.. If my understanding and clarifications are erroneous then in sha Allah I will benefit by understanding the right thing from others in this forum or any other site that I have been involved with? so that?s why most of the people are here in this forum to know and share something of their understanding to check how far they are right?
If you have taken personally my explanations, then I can?t help.. dude I don?t even know who you are; a male or female, married or unmarried, having daughters or not and where you are living etc.. the word you is not always you when giving an example.. God knows what I intended so I don?t bother with your emotions and not gonna say sorry??God is enough as witness? At least you could have verified from whether I meant YOU?Even anyone had given such an example to me by definitely meaning to me to say his example, I won?t bother coz it is an example?
Take same emotions of you with Mushrik?While they have their own set of beliefs and they devoted to their deities and they keep following for ages and suddenly if they were FORCED to discard and CLOSELY FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF ONE GOD, how they would trust it? With compelling you cant make a person believe? That?s only a dream? how they closely follow in which they are not convinced? We after studying a lot how many things we discuss here to get convinced, but still how many of us are having entirely different views of opinions.. Then how you expect those mushrik knew everything in quran to be convinced and salat and zakath.. just hilarious?You want to make people whom God sent astray to right path?you want make the hearts which are sealed to be given a key to open it.. duty of a messenger is to deliver but if the same messenger is a leader of the nation then the story is different in matters which is against the peace of a nation..
No one can force mushrik to establish salat and zakath if the meaning is what you bringing.. But if the meaning is different as morals and purification, then mushrik or whoever they have to surrender to the morals for the sake of everyone?s tranquility ?. Charity, or fasting or applauding God or praying or reading the quran following instruction which a believer compulsorily have to perform are not morals? morals are common in a human society and it may vary nation to nation as well but most of the nations have the common morals?. I don?t mean to say no morals are indicated in quran?If you read what is human rights then you will get what is morals? But to near God every believer has to perform beyond morals? That?s why God say remembering (zikr) God is greater than Morals(salat) 2945.. Yes Establishing morals keep you from evils and coupled with reading the quran and understand follow the instruction then one become believer and pious? Quran also presents very good morals which are not denied by any religious group coz it is a human nature.. for example quran says respect your parents, definitely it?s a good moral, btw which religious belief deny respecting the parents? most of the morals are born with..
2177 is very good verse by which those who call the meaning of salat to (Prayer or closely following or any other can be easily debunked) as well the word Zakat in it can be debunked easily if anyone say it is zakath (as compulsory charity)? need bit common sense to be applied and compared ? but truth won?t look as truth unless God will?if people give meaning of two entirely different meaning to one verse then it cannot be guidance, either one is right or both wrong? and if still keep claiming for you your way and for me my way? one way or the other in total loss..
If there is no one truth how then any of the quran only believers asault the conventional muslim and their set of beliefs... coz quran only believers feels that what conventional believers doing wrong based on some concerted meaning to quran... so if quran only believers differ in many of the meanings of the quran and go totally against while practicing them, what would be the cause... there is only one thing which is right when it comes to meaning of individual verse..if everyone claim their understanding is right, then quran has different meaning to one verse... that's impossible...
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If you are living in country and if your daughter is raped and you approach the law of the nation and you win in the end and he was given 5 years imprisonment.... Whether it is the law of God or not you will be satisfied that justice was brought.. And when he returns after 5 years you can't revenge saying that it is not enough and it is not the law of God... That's horrible and you will be the breacher...
sorry for replying somebodys else post. let see it by other angle.
if same thing happened with your daughter will u gona go for the option of taking MONEY as ransom from the party whos responsible? its a full quranic way and i have feelings u fully obey Quran and you will defo gona do that will it make u satisfied ?
benefits of doing this.
a continous business for you if rape happen on multiple occassions.
saving the space for other criminals in prison we have horrible prisons.
?following closeley? the laws of ransom generated by quran.
in this way no more violence from other party, no more bloodsheeding because rape is done anyway so why risking life of others?so now its your turn what u will gona do in that situation same question from YOU?
lets see how this question will impact on your feelings.